other cost 399-499€/$ and other alot of more..im like sure sexs will be somewhat 599€/$ or more

@s2 Wasted 9mins

Synthetic form, we have moments of uncanny valley this generation. Not whole games but certain assets, models and environments. The thing that will always hinder uncanny valley are human character models and movement. Environment tech demos have shown we are are nearly there already.

The XSX SSD is fast enough to do that. I don't think the PS5 SSD is as special as people think it is.

Remember most things are gonna have to be loaded into the ram either way. Because it's way faster. 448gb per second on PS5 and 560gbs for XSX.

The Xbox Velocity Architecture is designed to load things faster than the pure speed of its SSD into the ram and I'm hearing it might be able to do that just as fast as the PS5 SSD.

I hear Sony could have done something similar but went with pure speed instead. And now they're having trouble with cooling.

Microsoft thought about everything this time around.

@zeref
Im sure your very thoughtfully loaded comment is all true, but I think we will take the developer’s word over yours.

Sorry, don't trust anything devs say about Sony anymore. All they have been saying is the PS5 is the best piece of tech in ages up to the reveal and now they are posting hyperbole \exaggeration on Twitter like faster SSD is the second coming. Moths to a flame.

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In graphical terms it is going to be an almost imperceptible difference with w person that will somehow feel off, or unsettling.

TFs are calculated in a vacuum. They are a contrived number, not a real world measurement that takes into account hardware surrounding the GPU that can help or hinder the process. It is one number of many. People think the SSD only affects load times when that is only a part of how it changes the game. It also deeply affects the rendered product. The SSD on the PS5 is double the X series.

Personally one of the known features of the PS5 I am most awaiting is their audio implementation with the Tempest Engine. I have a PS4 Pro in my computer room I use on a smaller 40 inch 4K screen when I am playing focused MP. But most of my gaming is in my main room with my Klipsch 7.1 system with my Nvidia Shield, X1X and my main PS4 Pro. Right now playing Nioh 2 with every footstep, crackle of a fire, slap of water, low grunt bouncing around the room...its amazing. But what Cerny is discussing is another animal altogether. At launch there will be 5 profiles available designed for Headphones but eventually all main speaker configurations are the target.

Gotta load those lower res assets quicker.

@morganfell

Yet the 0.6 TF difference between the Xbox One and PS4 was enough to cause resolution gate...720-900p/30 vs 1080p/30

Just stop trying minimize the XSX is significantly more powerful than the PS5...it's not marginal at all

@343

Maybe you should go play the old Halo games since Halo Infinite will flop. I don't have faith in 343 studios

@porkChop

ohmyy whatever floats ur boat =D

@darth

"For speed comparison its like a cheetah vs a lion. Both really fast and can catch their prey but the cheetah is faster while the lion is stronger. Both really good predators (which means Nintendo is the prey.")

Hahahaha. That inclusion of Nintendo as prey made me laugh heartily.

Let Nintendo Nintendo on.

Anyone making comparisons concerning the TF differences between two previous machines is constructing a laughable and collapsible argument.

First of all machines from different manufacturers, given different TF values have a great deal more that is different than just the stated TF value. Memory Speed, pipelines, custom hardware, etc etc. Minimal differences in TF values do not make for drastically different game presentations. That is a small cog in all of the surrounding differences in the two machines that contribute to any such discrepancies. Most common sense people not grasping for straws would comprehend this. Even developers have stated there are more important numbers yet here are the same persons holding fast to one. They should be focused on the games.

Second, stating that a small difference between machines A and B made for a noticeable difference therefore any difference between machines C and D will also be a chasm is one of the most hole filled arguments that I have ever read. Again it portrays the focus on a single number and the complete inability to grasp how the rendering pipeline functions, particularly from generation to generation. I say rendering pipeline because for certain people on this forum the only part of a console that is of any consequence is the video output. Audio, or any such other features might as well not exist. Then again, this is the argument made by people searching for some sort of victory to satisfy some part of themselves rather than a person attempting to objectively analyze the machines.

Perhaps what a certain machine will do for a much anticipated game is more important.

@343 multiplatform games will be identical on both machines and the only difference is that XSX version will see a little less framerate drop. The 1.7 TF difference between PS5 and XSX would be significant if the total amount each of them had was lower, but 10.3 and 12 are so high that a 1.7 TF difference is insignificant and won't give the XSX much advantage, if any at all.

Yes, the 0.6 TF difference between PS4 and Xbox One was significant, but both were lower than 2 TF. You were talking about a 50% difference back then, this time it's a 15% difference that will be mitigated by the PS5 faster SSD and the fact that its memory isn't split (splitting memory is another bad move by MS).

Darkzane,

I do not think we will see frame drop on the PS5 alone. One of the features developers have discussed with an ultra fast SSD is the ability display such massive amounts of data on the screen at high resolution WHILE allowing players to move rapidly. They discussed in current and past games how player speed traveling through an environment was limited or else the environment needed to be lower resolution with fewer and smaller textures. They stated the SSD, not the GPU but rather the SSD changes that equation completely.

Xbox still has 10GB of ram that is 112GB/s faster bandwidth along with memory learning. 2tf more give or take, higher cpu clocks with SMT on, and faster ray tracing because if ray tracing is implemented per CU the Xbox SX has 16 more CU's which tells you...... the xbox has more RT capability. Bruh its so many things the xbox just wins in and yall think the SSD will do something.

Its 9.2 with boost up 10.3

@Porkchop
The PS5’s SSD is almost twice as fast as xbox sx SSD. Im pretty sure Sony didnt go through all the trouble of creating it from the ground up for nothing and the testimony of devs coming out seems to confirm this. But yes the xbox’s SSD is not bad at all, just as PS5’s 10.3 tfps is not bad.

The more we are hearing from devs, the more it seems the SSD decision by Sony was a master stroke of sorts.