Of course a server based service will be more stable.

If XBox Live has a problem, it's due to the data centre.

This effects ALL games.

If PSN has a problem, only one game is effected, everything else is fine.

PSN over all is more stable. But LBP and Socom showed that PSN has a few problems. Of course, they got them worked out in a few days, but my 60$ purchase should work on day 1.

*sigh*

Is this really news? I don't care if your service is pay to play or free, networks have issues. It happens.

I've played on both for a good awhile. If you gave me a multiplat game with a generic controller and let me play MP for as long as I wanted....I would NOT be able to tell you if I were playing on LIVE or PSN. I never tell a difference. Why I get so aggravated when people say PSN isn't as good as LIVE online-wise cuz it is free.

They both work perfectly fine. So Live is down a little right now...oh well it will be back.

because playstation network run easy and smooth, thats is what u pay for

I don't think a silver member should be considered an actual member of live. They don't get anything really :/

And hopefully it will not be dejavu or Microsoft will face another law suit.

Btw, who won that?

Less stable? MGO, LBP, Socom, Warhawk, etc... say hi.

The problem I have with PS3 games is they take considerable time to actually connect to a game or lobby. A game like MGO can be flatout ruined because of PSN regulations or lack there of I should say. We need how many names to do what? To get where? Look I just want to play.

LittleBigPlanet has lagged since day one. Sony I have seen the sales numbers. The "there are millions probably trying to access at one time" doesn't work here. LBP online is awful PERIOD.

Not all PS3 games are on dedicated servers, but I can tell you two that are-MGO and LittleBigPlanet if you catch my drift...lol

Live is not perfect, but it is far more stable and much more reliable than PSN.

but dedicated servers doesn't necassarilly mean a better connection. Just look at Socom Confrontation and many other games. All of the games that matter are all pretty much P2P. Also, Xbox live has dedicated servers,, Left 4 Dead anyone?

Don't get me wrong. I have a 360, but I hate paying for xbox live. But its better then the psn in many ways. Sure maybe not enough to really matter to the casual player, but to us hardcores it does. I heard the the NXE is gonna enhance that experience as well. 8 player video chat in game is gonna be sick. The psn is good, but xbox live is better. People just have to deal with that. Oh yeah,, just so you guys know, Im on xbox live right now and I have no problems. Now back to playing some COD5

They have plenty of hardware, check the amount http://www.vgwatchdog.com/?...

im already kicking a$$ in resistence 2 and call of duty waw i love the network free online is the greatest,

by the way my psn id: macho0208

add me if u want to lose or play coop

Why do I have a lot more problems with PSN than LIVE then? This article is bogus.

u dont have a ps3 but since launch i never had a problem, cant say the same for live, lol.

Both XBL and PSN use P2P and servers, I have been disconnected by XBL at random in the last week and this was not down to my internet cutting off. I'm guessing there is alot of users signing up just before Christmas or something has crashed. Either way, as long as they fix it then I'm cool with it.

But Sony and Microsoft have done very well so far. Some members here are using games like Socom Confrontation and Gears of War 2 as an example of server-side deficits, when in reality it's a client-side issue. The games simply weren't built properly and/or tested enough. When deadlines are looming and millions of dollars are at stake, devs will unfortunately push out unfinished product and simply patch at a later date.

The best comparison of the two services is going to be during this December. The number of PSN and XBL members is identical right now (14 million for both), and if the services as a whole falter then we'll be able to confidently state "Yes, ____ is more reliable than ____."

while i usually use the free to play argument i'll use one that is bigger.

if i have problems with socom online with my ps3, then i can jump on another game that is online until the problem is fixed for socom.

if your having problems with xbox live... there is no other online game to play until the problem is fixed.

Doesn't 12 million sound a little low gold and silver subscribers combined. I would have suspected more a number round the 16 or 17 million subscribers. I'm having the problem myself not being able to log in during this evening. Thank god i love good single player experiences. Keep on gaming.

just looked it up Microsoft announced during TGS that they had over 14 million subscribers. This is during the price drop and they are testing NXE. So one could suspect a few hiccups

Maybe when PSN has the same amount as users as XBOX Live....

Whos having the problem though? There are millions of people on xbox live right now that don't seem to be having a problem with the service. I understand that you sony fanboys need something to make you feel like the psn is worth having.

The thing is though that real gamers want the best experiance. Real gamers really should have both consoles. Why would you wanna miss out any games?. If you truly loved video games and were poor then having both systems wouldn't be that big of an issue. I know people who are on welfare that have multiple systems, really, what is your excuse?

Short answer is yes. My experience has been that PSN will lag but not disconnect so easily. Try getting through a game of Madden on XBL.

ping signals in lobbies worked. But now that there is this obsession with halo style matchmaking, its getting worse.
Even resistance has halo style matchmaking for ranked games. On second thought there is custom room lobbies & no lag on the premises. Just random disconnects & waiting forever sometimes for ranked rooms.

I just got frustrated right now with resistance2 because I couldn't find a ranked room with a friend. Wait a minute?!?
is joining ranked rooms with friends illegal? Because I just turned it off & am now playing battlefield bad company for trophies.

first off madden is not part of XBL. all EA games run on EA servers. i can be on a private chat with a buddy playing madden together an the game will just disconnect but were still chatting on the headset. if it was XBL it would have ended the chat an everything!!

plus did anyone sit back an think that maybe JUST maybe that their getting the servers ready for the worldwide update that's happening in a few days. you know that big update that were getting before we get HOME!! but anyway I haven't had any problems so far this weekend!!

lol! PSN more stable? PSN is nothing like xbox live... since every developer is it's own PSN... take Konami for example... they have their own logins, servers, etc.

First, Sony needs to add at least voice across all games.. which means that they will have to have servers and bandwidth...

PSN is probably a desktop computer hosting under someone's desk. How come Sony never showed PSN operations? PSN is each developer add their own disconnected service... simple as that..

oh oh. the holidays are going to be a disaster. not again. stupid live last year i couldn't play halo 3 when it mattered. undertow was a trash sorry gift by Microsoft

but one is free, and one isn't.

This is such a stupid article its hard to even comment on it. I have both a 360 and a PS3- both- just like any other Internet based service- has their good days and bad days- %99 of the time they are both spot-on with little problems. Please write about something relevant- these kind of articles (you know, the "let-me-troll-to-start-a- flame-war-type") are boring the hell out of me.

Get disconnected and yet still need to pay for it, poor xbots just stop crying and get a PS3 and enjoy the free services.

You get what you pay for.

:)

Because the run on WINDOWS MUHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

BSOD RROD

@DA_SHREDDER
Im a sony fanboy

right....

but dedicated servers doesn't necassarilly mean a better connection. Just look at Socom Confrontation and many other games. All of the games that matter are all pretty much P2P. Also, Xbox live has dedicated servers,, Left 4 Dead anyone?

okay, you are right, except the problem with socom had more to do with glitches rather than connection problems, also it was already stated that Sony wasn't exactly sure of the amount of people that were going to flock this game at first in other words they underestimated the inbound traffic , so it took them time to up their server count in order to match connection stability, nothing to do with it being dedicated or not.

also not to brag or anything but everyone here clearly knows that mgs4 uses its own konami id system and like Sony with socom konami as well miss calculated their numbers or should i say their statistics before having to forcefully do something about afterwards.

as for LBP? like someone here has mentioned already, lbp is a very complex project to deal with, in the facts that its a user generated content share play view process which simply means that the system and servers are always constantly at work and under stress tests and what not, and that in itself isn't exactly an easy thing to deal with in the first place now. and go figure those problems are now for the most part gone.

Don't get me wrong. I have a 360, but I hate paying for xbox live. But its better then the psn in many ways. Sure maybe not enough to really matter to the casual player, but to us hardcores it does. I heard the the NXE is gonna enhance that experience as well. 8 player video chat in game is gonna be sick. The psn is good, but xbox live is better.

People just have to deal with that.

you sound like the type who wouldn't survive a second let alone a day in a competitive field, it is also this kind of attitude that allows whack rappers with no lyrical prowess like soulja boy to make an easy living in the first place and boy is that a sad thing.

look if people just settle, than these articles or the constant spam Sony gets in their mailbox daily regarding what they should fix or add to the psn wouldn't be happening and perhaps things like trophy and in-game xmb wouldn't even bother taking place.

yeah sure xne or nxe whatever you wanna call it, is sure to come with its bag of extras and while thats fine and all, that doesn't mean Sony is just going to sit there and go wow lets give up guys, instead they are trying their best to make a free service one of the best possible and home isn't everything, im pretty sure they are working on other things asides from home.

Ted price has already made mention of double psn id logging on one console down the road so imagine what they might know. is voice messaging/mail coming, in-game private chat and of course in game one on one video chat coming? don't know but most likely it is, how do i know? well any true Sony fan knows all they have to do is bang on sony's doors and ask for these things is that simply really.

but unfortunately for the most part most fanboys downplay this aspect of the equation, and instead of agreeing that there needs to be more done they just defend whats already there on the table and shamefully settle, which ofcourse is the real problem in the first place.

Disagreed if you want with me on that, but even you know its true.

its simply easy i mean xbox live wasn't always this glamorous as it is now, it took time to develop and to think the psn only actually arrived when the ps3 launched? so what this simply tells you is that Sony who by the way mostly expertises in electronics has done a good job getting this far, this quick, in just a short amount of time, all while addressing a larger gaming studio, 3 platforms, a format war and the very media thats for the most part believe it or not bribed to give em a hard time.

Not saying Sony is an saint/angel or perfect, buts its obvious and its everywhere from reviews that don't necessarily make any sense to outlets like gamespot,variety cnet among other. i mean c'mon what more can you ask for.

home may not be what is hyped up to be? maybe thats cuz home can only work if people are actually in it? which at this point in time looks like gears with only partial amount of characters roaming the screen, hat of course isn't exactly ground breaking.

Oh yeah,, just so you guys know, Im on xbox live right now and I have no problems. Now back to playing some COD5

and im psn right now playing resistance 2 trying to get those co-op trophies im missing. than surf the net for a bit, the funny thing here is that psn isn't costing me a dime, silver or gold is the same on the psn everyone could play online so whenever they choose to.

Today was fine and dandy, Ive never experienced DISCONNECTS on XBL till Friday.

I still prefer XBL over PSN and one is FREE so that tells ya something. Though not PERFECT I feel more connected socially on XBL.

Me getting DISCONNECTED after 4-5 years is no BIGGIE...

Seems like people can argue over anything. People will experience occasional problems with both networks. That's just how it is.

so all of this over a 5 minute snafu that didn't even affect the majority of people on xbox live?

come on now people you need new hobbies

@Bladestar
13.2 - ...
home? here we go again to talk about a ghost software sony is being working on for ever; which they keep delaying over and over... we know very little about home.. we don't know how it will integrate into games... we do not know if Sony will charge for it... we do not know if it will not flop like many other things they hyped...

look home, home, home ok, if we talk about it is because it exists and obviously like you pointed out they are working on it, as far as integration goes the basics are in, you socialize other gamers you choose to in a lobby or any other area of home join the same game but aren't limited to just jumping into game match ups with these people, whats there not to know about that?

cost? simple home is free this has been stated many times, but like many things home will comes with its expense in the form of payable content and such, just like avatars if you will. but of course you decided whether to buy or not its that simple my friend.

flop? why does it have to flop? i mean there are already ,many 3rd party companies on board let alone outside gaming business making plans to use this application to sell or promote their ideas and products, i mean we already got ads in games so what not to expect, besides its free to download no one is charging you a cent to use it.

so at that price with the 10 million psn registered accounts i say home has a chance to stick around for a long time as long as Sony keeps supporting it and updating it.

I mean, look NXE is less than a week away and home is still MIA... how many more updates are going to come before Sony actually release home?

yeah i know, but that doesn't mean the end of the world now does it? i mean home has been delayed plenty of times but i still somehow find myself alive here debating this with you.

When home is out and Sony does everything they promise... then we will see... let's hope the xbox 720 is not out by then.

and if the 720 comes out than what? lol whats that suppose to mean? look im pretty sure home will launch sooner than the next xbox thats for sure, especially with this bad economy and the current price reductions of ms machines, it just wouldn't make sense for them to rush another console now specially when they are just starting to pick up steam? lol

All I can say is one of them costs nothing.

Not bagging on PSN, but you guys have to consider the variables.

Xbox LIVE has over 10 million PAYING members, so obviously they're active if they're paying. PSN isn't far behind, but PSN is free. Theres no way(for us) to figure out who is active, and who isn't on PSN.

Once PSN picks up, you'll be seeing more problems with server load. Heck even LBP saw some slowdowns. It happens to everyone at some point. Websites, services, MMORPGs, etc.

You would expect both services to experience problems when a massive influx of people suddenly all scramble to use the service (ie, last holidays).

Lets hope these issues will be taken care of this time, though I expect the NXE to have a few teething problems...

So XBL has connection problems which Microsoft promptly apprehended..

While when my In Game XMB was bricking my system it took more then a week for Sony to address the problem....GG.

One might say that 49.99 a year is just for the online UI...but not I.

No..in my opinion that 49.99 contributes to more then just a service. XBL is a growing community and is convenient in many ways and the community and its activeness in many game titles is what turns Xbox Live almost into a second home, that place where you go to relax and play some games and meet new people with an easy cross game interface and without the downtime and constant sending of messages in order to organize groups and even more downtime in regrouping if someone disconnects which many of people may experience on the PSN.

So stop the non sense....PsN may be close to the features of XBL but is NOWHERE close to the experience, coming from a 360 and Ps3 user from launch of both consoles.

XBL is the place to be online for gamers, Tournaments, Rewards, and a strong community that revolves around communication with great competitiveness...and most of all gamers.

PsN sorry to say...does not even come close. Peace!

Yet this is just from my point of view so don't get all butt hurt and I do not believe I'm the only person who is stuck in this boat.

If you do not mind paying for XBL and you also have PsN...which would you want to get in depth online with?

@Traveler
who need Xbot live when we can enjoy our PSN.
And oh it free....

Enjoy paying..... MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

I haven't had any problems tonight, it was all mainly yesterday. Some Microsoft guy probably just screwed some things up while preparing for the new dashboard update.

LMAO

One is more advanced/complex with much more to offer with over twice the online base?.

That is how long I have been on XBL. PSN has been just under two years. The XMAS of last year thing lasted one day for me. Big deal I got a free game out of it. Last night I had problems for 1 hour. Wah wah wah. These have been the only two times I have ever had any problems with XBL, and I use it every day.

SOme of you guys need to do some home work on XBL, MS does allow for dedicated servers from the game companys. Google it. EA does it and there are many more that do as well. It really is up to the game companies.

Hasn't PSN been more stable for like 2 years?

in my experience xbox live was indeed worse than psn.

i do not recall disconnections but i do recall that xbox live has the worse lag ever.

i paid for good online service not for laggy service.

i had enough so i call up MS customer service not to renew my subscription. it took me 20 mins to "argue" with MS beggers to end it.
MS customer service is the worse service i ever experience.

now i sold xbox 360 for PS3. After a year and a half, i had no problem with PSN. I was really happy. It is very rare that i get a disconnection. (probably once or twice since launch). What made me even more impressed that there are NO laggy issue.

So IMO PSN is the best service sony offered and its free.

LOL This proves how stupid americans are they keep paying for a sh#t service

Even as an xbox fan, I have to admit PSN is more stable. Also the servers on PSN are faster for searching for games and such (from playing pro evo 2008 anyway!)

I still think xbox live is a million miles ahead of PSN, I just wished M$ got their $hit in gear and sorted out their problems.. we get the damn same problems every single year. If it's the same at christmas as it was last year, I won't be very happy!

Droids have penis envy

Tell me what issues PSN has ??
Because I cant spot any ?

LMFAO XBL is and always has been a joke:

things PSN talking about online which XBL doesnt:

- internet explorer
- upcoming free MMO's
- DEDICATED SERVERS
- send a receive messages with no fear of them expiring
- Home
- folding@home (cure cancer)
- FREE-OF-CHARGE

and yet the supposedly superior XBL which you are charged for has constant online problems

wow. suckers.

This is why I pay for PSN. No wait, it doesn't cost anything?

I haven't really had any lasting problems with either system, tbh. However, as I was paying for Live when I had a 360 it did stick in my throat that bit more when I did(and also as I had lots of console fails I ended up paying for time when I couldn't possibly play online but that's a different matter)but overall both services do what they say on the tin. I wouldn't say the quality of either is generally better than the other-but when one is free you aren't going to get as upset if it does go down occasionally. Isn't that why there's a(admittedly not very big) story here at all?

have both and I am getting ripped off as a Live member.
I stopped my Gold membership after being a day one charter gold member.
Besides GOW2...really nothing else to justify me to play on live now since MP titles are pretty much the same and will tilt towards the PS3 in the future, so why pay for Live

PSN has 14 million users worldwide.
XBL has 14 million gold users.

xbox is old tec and have not a new game that can touch K I L L Z O N E 2 !!!

ROCCOZILLA,and i play a ton of BAAAAAAAD COMPANY and BURNOUT online.ONLINE INSANITY!!!

Since launch Ive never had any problems with it.Microsoft probably spends their xbox live money on exclusive dlc rather then the servers.

I have problems with Live and PSN all networks have problems

All I know is every time I play a game on PSN it is lag-free with no issues. Downloading demoes and movies is also really fast, possibly faster than my computer downloads.

Ignoring the technical aspects of Live and PSN I think they are both good online services. Theres really no reason to complain about either except for maybe paying for XBL.

Now, who wants to play COD: WAW with me? hehe

Never had any probs with my PSN and I'm not even using a ethernet cable. (Yes it's wireless if any bots happen to misunderstand)

Xbox Live Gold. Where's the gold?

its funny how people say XBL is better then PSN when they play servers that arent neven sony servers ...why dont they play sony oficial servers that are dedicated soo then they can compare...R2 servers are great warhawk servers great..ps3 has alot of great games and the servers are good oh..and we can log in too psn with out problem unlike XBL right now..

That was the developers problem. PSN didn't go down because of lBP or Socom you could still play other games. The xbox live issues you get complete disconnect from the network, you can't play any games at all....that's a big difference...In gears2 I have to wait 10 minutes to find a game, that's not xbox live faught that's epic fault the way the game was setup...When a game has problems like LBP and SOCOM it's not the network it's the way the game was program, that's why there is patches for the game and not the network....

Pssst. PSN is peer-to-peer, and that BY DEFAULT means you're relying on someone else's connection.

Live is far more stable than Steam has been.

Who's writing and submitting all these anti-360, pro-PS3 articles?

all the talk bout live being so good i got it and was like umm disconnect, disconnect. never happens to me on psn unless my bro kicks the dsl jack. but w/e people will defend it cuz they pay for it.

u see on my ps3 if resistance server goes down i can play warhawk or call of duty, if my halo 3 goes down, guess what??? everything on live is down. sorta sux when u pay for it and that happens

maybe i'm old school, but i dont play near enough mp to warrant a fee. some people i know only play mp and need that to have a good experience, but not me. although i'm not sure what the argument is about. in my opinion, when you get in game, both services are the same besides cross game chat. i could understand if one didnt work, but they both run as advertised.

LOL Meanwhile sony still tries to get what xbox-live has.
Xbox-live os is p2p. Xbox-live is just a conduit to join gamers in a game. But the game can either operate p2p or dedicated server. It switches depending on what the developers of the game choose not Microsoft. Halo 3 p2p, Frontlines Fuel of War dedicated servers.

You sony nuts are so desperate to undo xbox-live credibility but thats Sony's job not yours they get paid to try and do it not you.

i really don`t care how much xbots are using xbox live . could be 10 000 millions . i don`t give a damn f|_|ck . because the psn ROCKS . never had any problem with the connection. always runnin perfect . and lobster , u r so pathetic in that comment of urs , that it`s not worth the time to reply . like i said before , u just have to grow up.
question : what stupid dumb ass pays for sh|t ? a kid with XBOX connected to the internet. peace out

Bubbles for you sir.

If dedicated servers were so great, I wouldn't have had to go through the SOCOM launch by constantly resetting my PS3 for a week. The game STILL doesn't run that well. I agree that a P2P game can run less than optimal if there are connection issues, but in a dedicated server game, everyone suffers when there is a problem...

I think PSN is pretty satble..consdiering its FREE....

I have not had any issues with LIVE.....becuase for the past year I have been playing my PS3 only....I just recently start playing my 360 again....Deepspace, Fable II, Madden 2009(my brother lives in Germany and he has only a 360)..So if there were issues I never experience them in 2007,2006....2008 I can't really say..

But back to my PSN..I have been on PSN since launch and no issues..but I am lucky..My PS3(launch) had no issues..and my only issue with my 360(launch) is my DVD drive...

to join other players in COD4 XBL?
PSN is like instant. the intermission timer is actually longer.

Halo3 is very bad, i have it my self. they got rid of Big team battle(8v8 only). 1-5 minute wait.
Gear1 is just as bad. you have to wait until there's enough people. they always leave, meaning you can end up waiting 5+ minutes.

It's only 3 quid a week, true. just remind us though, for what?

but COD4 is fast and these connection issues Im just plain not having them. One time 2 years ago about i couldnt get on for an afternoon. I have no complaints as a customer and will happily purchase another year.

Big deal, so what if XBL went down. I don't know about other games, but ANYONE who plays Tekken 5: DRO knows how often sending messages while playing freezes your system. I've had it happen around ten times or so since the in game XMB was implemented. Not to mention how laggy that game gets is just ridiculous. So many people think they're good at it because they can abuse lag.

A service that's been around for a while, versus a service that's been around a couple years. Xbox Live is why PSN exists. Everything that Xbox Live introduced was copied by PSN. And there are things that they each have that makes them unique, though Xbox Live has more unique things than PSN.

As far as reliability and stability are concerned, anything goes. Either service can have its down time. Just like a cellphone, that you pay $50+ a month for yet wind up with 2 bars most of the time. Yeah, I think $50 a year isn't so bad afterall:) That's one bad game you'll never have to buy.

End of story.

not surprised.
my friend has had many problems lately with Xbox Live and lately i haven't had any problems with my PSN.
but it's true that they both tend to have problems sometimes.

If you complain about a dropped connection every now and then you really need to get out more.

I also had a little trouble 2 days ago while playing CoD. It didn't last long though, around 30 minutes.

People need to realise it's not always the psn or live, concering lag etc, it can be your own i.p.

You are just a number on a very big list.

contention ratio.

If you get a poor con, try a speed test, local.

turn off router and try again.

I'm on 8mb, but sometimes through the day, if i turn off my router i get 2mbs.(even though it still says sync @8mb.

Strange but it happens.

Had 360 for 2 years, PS3 for 1 year..

never had any problems on my games w/ PSN

two nights ago.. I was getting randomly kicked from XBL and dropped out of matches.....

So were all my friends so gg XBL.

ok for all the people that talk about xbox live and don`r even have a 360 should shut up.
xbox live runs better then psn sorry to say it but it does i have seen so many times the psn fu*k up on me, that i lost count of how many times it fu*ked up and xbox live has only had some fu*k ups.and rsv1 and 2 fu*ked up so much and socom dam i got to say they got the most gayest servers i played on and warhawk had so many dam problems when it came out,i played 40 something games and not one game saved my stats so i don`t play warhawk any more.i don`t know about mgs4 online because i have never played it because every one said it sucked sh*t.and there is more games too that have problems and r1 and 2 are like the only games that run good and warhawk now does to but xbox live has less problems i think and i payed for it and i am more happy on xbox live then psn and i have got my ps3 when it came out and i can`t take any more of the dam problems. over and over they keep having so many problems. and its not that much money to play on xbox live, and most people say stuff about xbox live because they don`t have the money to pay for it because they are poor.........

this is y i switched to PSN n i dont regret it = P

i can't really speak for the XBL seeing as i dont play x-box but i DO play PS and the PSN is really good and stable (Plus its free) for about 500 dollars you can buy a really nice and stable ps3 system. can someone please tell me why people spend 300 + buying a hard drive + paying for xbl on a X-Box when the ps3 has better online play, AND better graphics.

Xbox Live is buggy right now, can't connect for the life of me. :(