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A closer look at why Xbox doesn't use Bluetooth

Believe it or not, the wireless card in the Xbox One should be able to receive Bluetooth signals. But it's disabled. Why is that exactly?

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Jin_Sakai2376d ago

“It seems unlikely that the next Xbox will support Bluetooth either, owing to the superior signal bandwidth and quality of Xbox Wireless“

Yet the DualShock 4 was more responsive with games. I believe it was Digital Foundry a while back did a comparison?

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Imortus_san2376d ago

You sir are a liar, Xbox controllers have less input lag.

Jin_Sakai2376d ago (Edited 2376d ago )

@Imortus_san

“You sir are a liar, Xbox controllers have less input lag.“

Maybe do some research before calling someone a liar.

https://www.resetera.com/th...

Dragonscale2376d ago

Nice one Jin. Seems xbone controllers are a laggy af according to that list lol.

Skuletor2376d ago

Surprised to see DS4 has more input lag wired than using bluetooth

Lon3wolf2376d ago (Edited 2376d ago )

@Dragonscale/Jin,

There is 4 ms difference between DS 4 BT and Xbox One wired and wireless the DS 4 in wired mode adds 7.2 ms of lag over the DS 4 in BT, I am in awe of anyone that can perceive those differences.

RacerX2376d ago

The argument on input lag is moot. It's not noticeable on any modern console.

Sophisticated_Chap2375d ago (Edited 2375d ago )

@ Jin

Look at the results for the DS4 when wired, which is the way you'll be playing most of the time anyway, since the battery life is pathetic. The Xbox One battery pack is on a completely different level, making the actual comparison between the DS4 when wired and Xbox One controller when wireless, the actual real life comparison, over say a 16 hour period of play time.

PrinterMan2375d ago

I disagree. At least on PC. May just be my setup butt I abandoned my X1 controller for input lag issues. Now use a wired Logic one and it is much superior.

kryteris2375d ago

that is odd considering the whole point of the ds4 to support a wired only mode was to improve latency.

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Pekka2376d ago (Edited 2376d ago )

Well, input lag is different thing than bandwidth. You can have very high bandwidth and still have crappy input lag (there are several examples of that) or vice versa. And quality of signal isn't the same as input lag either.

And it wasn't input lag why they chose not to use Bluetooth.

Imortus_san2375d ago (Edited 2375d ago )

@Jin_Sakai
"Yet the DualShock 4 was more responsive with games. I believe it was Digital Foundry a while back did a comparison?" - are you talking about this:
https://www.eurogamer.net/a...

Latency Killzone Shadowfall (30fps lock) Killzone Shadowfall (unlocked) Ultra Street Fighter 4 Super Stardust Ultra Heavy Rain
Local 110ms 108ms 58ms 38ms 1 10ms
Ethernet 174ms 170ms 126ms 11 8ms 172ms
WiFi 185ms 180ms 128ms 120ms 188ms

"Maybe do some research before calling someone a liar."
- A Frame is:
1000ms / 60fps ≈ 16 milliseconds per frame
1000ms / 30fps ≈ 33 milliseconds per frame

That means that all controllers above 0 ms and bellow 16 ms are all inputing in the same frame, and only if they are above 16ms on a 60frames game will they have 1frame of input lag, there is no way in hell you spot the diferrence.

Dualshock 4 on PC using Bluetooth as real input lag, Digital Foundry tested it during a PS Now review, and the controller was 40ms of input lag.

Also a lot o PS4 games have much more input Lag then the Xbox One version, tekken 7 example:
https://www.fightersgenerat...

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PhoenixUp2376d ago

“The Xbox One wireless signal can support up to eight controllers and headsets while maintaining sub 8ms latency”

Not many games even utilize more than 4 players for local multiplayer on Xbox One though

SamPao2376d ago

The only game I ever playedwith more than 4 was on ps3 Bomberman Ultra. I have it on psnow but never tried it with that many people again so dunno with so funno if that works on ps4

bluebenjamin2376d ago

Ps3 supports 7 controllers at once ps4 doesn’t so no, I also have bomberman ultra on ps3

rainslacker2375d ago

PS3 had several devices which used the connections as well, so they wanted more connections. I don't really think there are that many games that use more than 4 controllers at a time. There are other devices which could conceivably connect at the same time, but I think it'd be such a rare instance that it'd be pretty insignificant that someone would care.

renanbianchi2376d ago (Edited 2376d ago )

The vanilla Xbox One had terrible wireless range, that's why on the reveal trailer of the S it said the wireless signal was boosted (and indeed it was). I had the vanilla xbox behind my tv (with my PS4) and ALWAYS had disconnect problems with the controller. Searching about it on the internet, i wasn't alone. It really was a poorly design by Microsoft and the signal was too weak. Luckily after S and X, the problem is long dead.

gold_drake2375d ago

thats because you put it behind your tv. you shouldnt do that. a quick search on the google tells you the same thing.

SPEAKxTHExTRUTH2376d ago

If anyone says they notice input lag while using an Xbox or PS4 controller wireless they are a flat out lie. There is zero noticeable lag on either console. I’ve NEVER noticed input lag on ANY version of Xbox or PS4. Now we got a bunch of clowns arguing over which controller lags. Fanboys are the worst thing to happen to gaming not MT’s....

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Tetsujin2375d ago

@SPEAKxTHExTRUTH

Obviously you don't play fighting games do you?

There's noticeable differences between HORI fight pads/Arcade Sticks and regular, wireless controllers. There's reasons why tournaments force players to use corded connections, and it has nothing to do with wireless interference or people playing as someone else.

SPEAKxTHExTRUTH2375d ago

Why don’t you come over to DOA 6 or Soul Caliber on Xbox and find out if I play fighting games. Then come back here and post what I did to you.

Tetsujin2375d ago

@SPEAKxTHExTRUTH

Sorry I had to catch my breath. Xbox and fighting games DO NOT belong in the same sentence.

rainslacker2375d ago

I agree. WiFi direct can potentially introduce more lag than normal, but it'd be due to outside influences that may affect the bandwidth spectrum that the controllers work on. BlueTooth is a bit different in how it handles that kind of stuff, and while it could be potentially disrupted, it'd be pretty rare that it'd happen within a normal environment.

But, interference is probably very isolated for either console for the end user, and the differences in input lag are so marginal that I doubt you'd notice the difference without special hardware to measure it. Even if it exists, a game is going to be adjusted to handle the input lag, because input isn't polled every millisecond anyways, so even if there is a few millisecond lag difference, chances are, the program is still going to process it on the same game play loop anyways. Maybe once every tens of thousands of loops may it come up, and the user still isn't likely to notice.

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HighPlayer282375d ago

Yeah this is something Microsoft needs to fix more bluetooth support. I was pissed off that I couldnt use my bluetooth speakers on my 1X.

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Final Fantasy X 25th Anniversary Website Launches With New Nomura Artwork and Merchandise

Square Enix launches Final Fantasy X 25th anniversary site, revealing new Nomura art, books, music releases, and merchandise.

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-Foxtrot28d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle28d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7728d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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Relientk7733d ago

I remember playing this back in the day on PS2. What a sick game!

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Outside_ofthe_Box33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster300033d ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv7233d ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

S2Killinit33d ago

The fans didn’t tell them to go multilat. MS was forced to after the 82 billion they spent to destroy gaming. Then, while xbox fans cheered, MS realized they can’t justify the price tag by selling through xbox only, so they went multiplat and in the process began to downplay console gaming.

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CrashMania33d ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

S2Killinit33d ago

They will do what they always do, they will promise the world at the beginning of next GEN and then failed to deliver all generation long. But there will always be some gamers who will buy into their promises.

ocelot0733d ago

Absolutely agree, Do people genuinely believe Microsoft are now going to go. Hang on how's about we go back to 2020. Then GP was stagnating, Games sold where awful because of GP. Outsold by Playstation by a landslide.

They have sold 5m of Forza I believe on PS5. Spite it being a old game. I think Starfield is going to sell well in the end. Halo is deffinetly going to sell well as is Fable and Forza Horizon 6.

I think at best (for Xbox fans). Single player titles like Clockwork will have a timed exclusivity. Multiplayer centric games like Forza, E Day will release day and date on all platforms.

Or all games will release on all platforms day and date. But maybe Xbox and Windows Store copies will have exclusive bonuses. Or may even get timed exclusive dlc like Fallout and Elder Scrolls and COD use to do.

I think they will treat Xbox players like the premium customers or at least act the way. But will serve just the Playstation and Switch 2 customers as well.

Neonridr33d ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box33d ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Neonridr33d ago

@Outside - possibly, but it might push people to want Xbox hardware so they can play with their buddies day one.

Who knows.

S2Killinit33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

it would but remember doing that can splinter the COD fan base and in the process damage the call of duty brand which is probably the only franchise in that $82 billion purchase that in anyway gets even close to delivering what Microsoft thought they bought. If Microsoft fudges around too much with the COD franchise, you might even see a competitor franchise show up on the scene and that would be a catastrophe after the huge debt that Microsoft put itself into with the ABK purchase.

But Its almost guaranteed that Microsoft will want to do something drastic at the beginning of the next generation as they always do. We will see.

Pyrofire9533d ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv7233d ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

S2Killinit33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

A lot of their base left for greener (bluer?) pastures.

--Onilink--33d ago

What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

Outside_ofthe_Box33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

I agree. I mean once they went multiplat, in theory there should be no going back especially when you have games that have sold really well on other platforms.

Microsoft are the ones that announced that they are reevaluating. So I'm just guessing on what their end goal is. Right now Xbox as a hardware is not a must buy for anyone but fans of the brand because their games can be played elsewhere. Going exclusive would solve this, but you lose out on a ton of money instantly which has always been what the company does not want to do so not really sure what their "reevaluating exclusives" means unless they are pulling a Phil Spencer and are just saying what people want to hear and will continue to do what they are currently doing.

darthv7233d ago

Their ports to PS5 are selling because Sony's output has been so dry... the fans are thirsty, and MS is the oasis.

SIdepocket33d ago

Unfortunately, the studios they buy wither under their leadership.

mcstorm33d ago

Microsoft still has a name with Xbox the issue is the casual games are not looking at the console because its not the same console their friends have. Look at that poll on how many users upgraded from xbox 365 to one and then the X. Part of Microsoft's downfall was thinking that the Wii was the market they had to be in when really it was the core market. If you get the core gamers you then get the market to. As I posted a few minuets ago on another post Microsoft putting exclusives on PS this gen could bold well if they hit next gen with all our games are staying exclusive from this new gen. They will then get gamers wanting Halo, Forza Gears but this is also where Microsoft fell over with the xbox one and X in terms of they did not have may quality 1st party games affter they fell into the Gears, Forza and Halo cycle. If they can get some old IPs back to bring back the old core gamers as well as fresh ips to bring in new gamers things could improve next gen. But as I said in my last post its all if buts and maybes at the moment. No one knows if the next home consoles will be to expensive that people move to pc as we are now seeing or look at the stem deck as a cheepier alternitive.

DarXyde33d ago

"Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box."

That's very optimistic. It's not the only issue, far from it. There is a serious rupture between Microsoft generally and the public caused by their weird Game Pass price fluctuations, taking down physical game space in stores, and being the first to go nuts on hardware price hikes that they themselves played a big part in.

They're also charging beyond a premium for Helix which is just vile at a time when the economy is in shambles.

The company itself is really not doing itself any favors with the approach they're taking Windows. Even France is looking to ditch Windows in favor of Linux.

But the most offensive thing is this AI push. They're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the very technology they're using to replace a considerable proportion of their workforce... And the slap in the face is how they bake copilot into everything when nobody likes it—they couldn't even make Bing stick, so why on earth are they trying so hard? You know it's bad when people would rather use ChatGPT than Copilot which is killing their OS. But aside from their snatching up of farmland to build data centers (and reduce the agriculture capacity of whichever country allows them to build them), they made an AI-generated gamer gurl that loves AI the head of Xbox.

Even if we grant them the full benefit of the doubt, it hardly matters what Xbox wants to do if Nadella says no, and that includes exclusive games. Microsoft's relationship with Xbox is the opposite of Sony's relationship with PlayStation—Microsoft pulls the reins of Xbox, but Sony damn near went under for the PS3.

Tanktopmaster9233d ago (Edited 33d ago )

“If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it.”

Great strategy, especially after Forza selling 5 million on PlayStation and sea of thieves selling at least another million (2 million) for example. In March 2026, Xbox consoles sales ratio vs PS was 10:1.

In addition to that, with Gamepass, which unequivocally cuts out chunks of sales (Cannibalizing revenue from 1st month sales especially).

I’m sure going exclusive again after releasing everything on Ps5 is going to work out great for business.

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maximusprime_33d ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted33d ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

S2Killinit33d ago

Sony PlayStation has deservedly dominated xbox. Facts

Tanktopmaster9233d ago (Edited 33d ago )

Ok tween.

Xbox series SX got outsold 10:1 last month. lol.

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shadowT33d ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers33d ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz14933d ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

ocelot0733d ago

Agreed and I think that's where they are going to focus on more. I think cheaper games on Windows/Xbox store (MS IP) compared to Steam and Epic and maybe even compared to PSN store as well.

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