Funny and pretty accurate. LOL

That's glorious, hilarious and nefarious

Lol thats not just a joke, its a social commentary.

That’s closer to reality than you think, lmao.

You could be right I don't know and I'm not interested either. What I know is how satisfied I am with the gamepass and all my friends are. You guys can waist your time talking about how bad is MS to the industry and how low are their sales and bad their games but I have never have so much options of great games to play in my entire life.
And all this games for so little and with free enhanced for the X and for the next gen. I really can't be more happy as a gamer.

The despicable part of this is that the arguments will boil down to "Xbox has seen an increase in units sold 50x that of last month in Japan, demonstrating strong growth", meanwhile, skeptics will say "50x from what? 1 unit on launch day? (this actually happened with Xbox 360, if I recall)"

That skepticism will be justified, but you'll be called a hater for it. Undoubtedly.

My bottom line really is caring about Nintendo sales and Playstation sales. I care about the health of those two platforms since they're my go-to devices. I've already made the decision to not get the next Xbox because, without failure, I end up with buyer's remorse.

I care about Xbox reporting of numbers in that I will very likely have to hear about it from the devoted users who will very likely be denialist in their grief and overtly compensatory in their satisfaction.

Needless to say, I think the Xbox fanboys are about to get much more annoying.

If no one should care, then why does MS keep talking about how well they're doing?

@kohox "Uh why do you not want them to reveal numbers?"

I don't "not want the numbers" just don't care either way. The two important things are am I happy with the product and do they intend to continue to make the product to both of which we are able to answer without sales. Hell, they already announced a new console gen and acquired like 10 studios.

"People asking them to report a verifiable metric is actually the normal thing, not reporting sales is the exception."

Normal how? Do you ask for sales numbers for movies, tv shows ad revenue? Walmart or amazon sales numbers? Why not? Because it isn't normal and is irrelevant as a consumer.

Still doesn't answer why someone who doesn't own the console cares.

@rainslacker "If no one should care, then why does MS keep talking about how well they're doing?"

It's called marketing, they want to generate hype for their platform, that said, should they say how poorly they are doing? Plus their revenue seems to imply they are doing fine financially at least, and them being happy with the product as a company is always good to know as it means they intend to keep it up.

Also, I never said no one should care, just that sales are over emphasized by people with no stake and especially so with people who do not even own the console...

@GottaBjimmyb:
If MS, the Xbox division, is going to promote themselves as an industry leader, a company that needs to be emulated and followed, then they need to show the numbers to back it up. Xbox can't just stand behind MS's influence while insisting microtransactions should be standard. That exclusives and single player games don't matter.

@godmars "Xbox can't just stand behind MS's influence while insisting microtransactions should be standard. That exclusives and single player games don't matter."

I have never heard xbox or MS dictate what the industry should do. More so, if the sales aren't matching the rhetoric you claim, then would it matter? Not sure your point here....

@elmo "Why do you care what they think are you been paid to change people minds about Xbox and paint it in a good light?"

When did I paint xbox in a good light? And I am not trying to change peoples minds, just saying my opinion in a comment section, the place where you state opinions. I was curious to hear why everyone is so worried about sale number, but especially why someone who doesn't even own the thing cares about sale numbers....

My opinion: I don't think knowing the sales for the entire spectrum of the gaming industry is necessary as a consumer. More so, if you are not a consumer, that expectation makes even less sense. Has nothing to do with MS or xbox being good or bad or anything. Would say the same thing if Sony or Nintendo chose not to give sales numbers. In fact, I honestly don't even know if they do, at least if they do directly or if it just is coming through third parties like npd, because it really has nothing to do with what I get out of the consoles.

P.S. I own all 3 (even the newest iterations Pro/X) just never got more enjoyment out of any of them after hearing or not hearing sales statistics and don't know anyone who has.

Sales is what gets you more games and companies pushing harder to gain more money from you.

I’m sorry but where was this narrative when the XBox brand was doing so well a decade ago?

gotta

because of last gen and PR people like major nelson who couldn't stop boasting about sales now can't run away from that

@trooper "I’m sorry but where was this narrative when the XBox brand was doing so well a decade ago?"

IDK, did you care back then? Or only now? I personally didn't care in either case and wasn't on this site then so can't really speak to the question. Not sure how you being annoyed by it then, but participating in the thing that annoyed you then now because it suits you hardly makes a good point.

"Sales is what gets you more games and companies pushing harder to gain more money from you."

Maybe, but even if you get sales numbers, you do no know what number is considered a success. Square enix sold over 4mil copies of the Tomb raider and considered it a failure, other companies sell 100k copies and consider it a major success, so...

However, even assuming that is the reason, still doesn't explain why people who don't own and don't plan to own the thing are worried about sales then.

Also, sales aren't necessarily the only measure of success in this industry, especially considering MS revenue was up 8% for xbox despite 19% lower sales in hardware ...

@neutral "because of last gen and PR people like major nelson who couldn't stop boasting about sales now can't run away from that"

Again, so you thought it was annoying then to give sales numbers, but now think it is great? Makes no sense.

@GottaBjimmyb:
We already don't have the sales numbers to back up anything MS says. Haven't had them for years as MS fell on online user numbers and division profits and often they say "The best in Xbox history."

If they're now falling back on profit reports, then that could be anything that shows a profit while not accounting for costs much less game sales or use. It could be nothing more than service charges and whatever user data and metrics they could get away with selling to advertisers and the like.

As for not seeing how the 360 influenced the market when everything was a FPS to follow after COD and Halo, how nearly everything has to do with online when MS pushed for online, no, I wouldn't expect that you would.

@godmars "As for not seeing how the 360 influenced the market when everything was a FPS to follow after COD and Halo, how nearly everything has to do with online when MS pushed for online, no, I wouldn't expect that you would."

IDK how you keep going back to the 360 (or OG xbox for online) over and over again, a console that launched in 2005 and was succeeded in 2013, not to mention they are about to release a second new console gen since 360. Plus why do you use 360 as an example when you said that was when they gave sales numbers? You said they shouldn't be able to influence the industry without sales numbers, so wouldn't example from then make more sense? Weird choice.

i bet your name is Kyle and you significant other is named Karen.

@GottaBjimmyb:
Again, if you can't see how the 360 era was the Xbox's best, verifiable, effort, dismiss how they lead the FPS craze, or you have a better verifiable example of an Xbox market success, you're just a waste of time frankly.

You can guarantee if next gen was other way round and the Sony fanboys would move onto something new, untill that can't be used, onto something new, until that can't be used, the forever roundabout courtesy of fanboys.

@Kohox

The data is really only valuable to investors. How do sales figures help or enhance gaming?

@trooper

Sales get you more games? By the looks of it all three platform have hundreds of games. No major third party has stopped publishing on Xbox. Not a single one.

@GoldMars290

Has Microsoft given any recent statement declaring they are a market leader? All I've heard is GamePass, GamePass, GamePass...never we're leaders.

jamar

how is this taking any ammo away from them? if next xbox does better than ps5 you best believe ms will release any and all numbers. Xbox360 they couldn't stop boasting only now that they are so far behind it doesn't make sense

@lordjamar and jock

You guys don't understand they're running away from the criticism that it is underperforming switch and PS4! It's not ammo which it is covenant to their decision. People need to stop seeing from tinted glasses lol

You always get that feeling on this sight, personally i dont hate any devs, I think it's childish considering they bring us games.

Hate is something I'd aim towards someone who did something sick and deserved the hate, this fanboy nonsense from people is just sheer immature behaviour.

@kohox

You must be 5. Console Wars have existed since the beginning of console gaming. Absolute tribalism.

@DaveZero

Microsoft is not giving info to know the health of something and that concerns me that's my issue?

exactly my point, i dont really care one way or the other to be clear, i always thought maus were being used to hide poor sales, i guess now we will never know. one things for certain, the console war will rage on with or without numbers being released.

Ms were too embarrassed to report sales so they used slight of hand, moving the goalposts to front. Nobody respected mau as any kind of meaningful metric except Microsoft and their fans but now look. . .they're too embarrassed to report the metric they introduced. . . Continue with the double D of defence and deflect

MS didn't introduce MAUs of course, but they seemed to think XBL engagement translated to something investors would care about. In principle I get it, but as others pointed out, it didn't mean too much. Honestly, those numbers were good even if they meant jack shit, so it's funny that they chose to drop those.

I haven't owned MS stock in many years, so I think I speak for most gamers when I say that we didn't care how many 360s they sold when they wouldn't shut up about it last gen, and we don't care how many people logged into XBL each month.

Just tell me when games are coming.