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Why is Final Fantasy VIII so Divisive?

The Nerd Stash: "Final Fantasy VIII is one of my favorite games in the series and after the relatively recent re-releases of VII & IX, I’ve been waiting patiently for the remaster of the seemingly forgotten entry. At one point it had seemed as if we would never get to play Final Fantasy VIII on current consoles. Thankfully, this is no longer the case as Square Enix has now announced its release later in the year for PlayStation 4, Xbox One, PC, and Nintendo Switch. I for one, couldn’t be more excited.
It turns out though that not everyone shares my excitement. After speaking to many people and trawling the depths of the internet, I have discovered that some people absolutely despise Final Fantasy VIII. They don’t just dislike it a little, they hate it. And then you have the other side of the coin, people like me, who love it."

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Godmars2902473d ago

Generally, by the time you start to notice the ever mounting plot holes and contradictions, you're invested not only in the characters but the story. Which has an ever mounting amount of plot holes and contradictions.

For me, it was Squall not only surviving 20+ foot skull dive after being impaled through a shoulder if not chest, but waking up fully healed in an anti-prison - and immediately being able to use magic to escape.

Though what really irks me is that Square has only gotten lazier as storytellers and world-builders since then.

pasta_spice2473d ago

20 foot? He only fell about 3 feet off Edea's parade float.

-Foxtrot2473d ago

Yeah and obviously Edea wanted him alive to interrogate him.

In the next prison scene with Selphie she uses cure to heal someone

Godmars2902472d ago (Edited 2472d ago )

3 feet? Really?

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

REALLY?!
Was already giving too much by using "shoulder" but you just had to go for that mile, didn't you?

@Foxtrot:
The anti-magic prison! the freaking anti-magic prison!

pasta_spice2472d ago

Godmars290: I know what the FMV cutscene looks like and it doesn't change my opinion. Edea's parade float isn't very high off the ground. Squall doesn't fall any further than a few feet...
http://ffshrine.org/ff8/fmv...

lalalala2472d ago

Probably not 3 feet or 20 feet, but somewhere in between and a survivable fall.

If you played FF8 first, you will have loved it, if you played FF7 first, you probably wouldn't have liked it at all. Simple as that it changed too much stuff for the FF7 fans.

Godmars2902472d ago

@lalalala:
I played FF1 when it first came out. And while the surrealism in the series from 1-6 was perfectly fine and serviceable for the graphics they were presented in, that persistent surrealism has become a growing issue as the games take on more realistic appearances.

And still, people have suffered fatal injuries fatal fall of bodily height when landing on THEIR HEAD let alone 3-20 feet. Nevermind the shock and internal damage involving a quarter foot thick icicle through their upper chest.

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SegaSaturn6692473d ago

Squall died from the encounter with Edea and his final unconscious moments make up the remainder of the game.

PiNkFaIrYbOi2472d ago

Ummmm, Yoshinori Kitase the director of the game said that theory wasn't true.

Exvalos2472d ago

I wish square would clear this fan theory up.

Shiken2472d ago

@Exvalos

They already did, it is not true. Some people just refuse to accept that fact however.

No different than the stupid "Link is dead in Majora's Mask" theory that people took as gospel as well, despite being debunked by creators and numerous lore related reasons that point to the contrary.

SegaSaturn6692472d ago

@PiNk

"“No, that is not true,” Kitase said, laughing. “I think he was actually stabbed around the shoulder area, so he was not dead. But that is a very interesting idea, so if we ever do make a remake of Final Fantasy VIII, I might go along with that story in mind.”

Also, he's just the producer. His voice doesn't necessarily reflect the author.

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Brave_Losers_Unite2472d ago

@Godmars

Is this your first time playing a VIDEO GAME?

Godmars2902472d ago

Is this your first time commenting? Making an effort to communicate?

SAY SOMETHING!

I liked FF8 when I first played it, still do for the characters and overall story, thing is that when actually thinking about it there are a number of issues that only raises more questions.

quent2472d ago

He simply got disabled momentarily by being implaled in the heart, like that one time in that one vampires game

rainslacker2472d ago

That's one of those things you see in anime a lot. Where things you cant normally do become something more in a cut scene.

Godmars2902472d ago

No. Having character do things in cut scenes they can't when under player control is a strictly game related thing since, by definition, games are an interactive medium. And ignoring that, committing that crime, is something Square has been guilty of for some time.

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-Foxtrot2473d ago

Mostly because it can’t right out after the huge success of FFVII and newer fans brought in were like “wait, where the f*** is Cloud? A new story? We want a sequel to FFVII”

So the game got nit picked to the high heavens even though most of the things people complain about are exaggerated or things you could possibly nitpick FFVII or other FF games for.

For example the magic system, you didn’t need to just draw from enemies, there was so many ways to get magic yet people say you were forced to do it that one way.

Another. One minute people say the junction system is too complicated then in the next breath say it’s easy to exploit. So what is it hard or easy?

Squall was an “emo” yet you could have said the same about Cloud BUT playing the games the reason they are like that are explained through the story. Squall by the end is one of the best developed FF characters in the series

DedicatedDark2473d ago

It has waay more problems than what you are dismissing. The writing is rtarded.

-Foxtrot2472d ago

Oh please, it had the same issues you could nitpick ANY Final Fantasy for

It's writing? The writing has never been amazing in these games, the stories have been solid along with the concept but the way it's presented through dialogue and the like, never been the strongest suit.

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Noclos2473d ago

Cloud is an emoish for a reason, he is a clone of Sepiroth, Jenova and holding Zack memories and that developed even more with Aerith death. Cloud is the most developed character ever espeacily with that amazing scene when he got all his true memories with Tifa and finding out the truth, "he isn't the person whom he think he is"

-Foxtrot2472d ago (Edited 2472d ago )

First off all Cloud being a Sepiroth clone is never really confirmed, he just decides to accept he is before pulling himself back together when he has a break down. Squall went through just as much shit

He never knew his mother, she died at child birth

His father never knew him, he was away fighting in the war and didn't even know he had one

He was dumped in an Orphanage and was picked on

He decided to trust someone again with Ellone only for her to also be taken away from him

He finally decided to close himself off for good

Then he goes through the entire journey of opening himself up again from a lonely selfish jerk to a brave heroic leader who then surrounds himself with friends and finally the girl he comes to love.

goldwyncq2472d ago

How tf is Cloud emo? I wish people would stop confusing FFVII Cloud with Advent Children Cloud, because FFVII Cloud is nowhere even close to being emo.

franwex2472d ago

Maybe 20 years ago FF7 being so huge was a reason for the division.

Two decades later that game is still divisive.

I think it’s just personal taste now. The love that FF8 fans for that game is simply not shared by everyone. It’s totally ok to enjoy FF8. But I can see why people get frustrated with it.

I like the Final Fantasy franchise pretty much because every game is so different from each other.

harmny2472d ago

Xenogears is better than any FF. Change my mind

franwex2471d ago

Their 2nd disc are finished. Mind change achieve.

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DedicatedDark2473d ago (Edited 2473d ago )

Because it's garbage, but some people are so enthralled by the rubbish love story they refuse to accept it so.

Thus we must fight!

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pietro12122473d ago

The story was a mess, the junction system/level scaling made the game too easy, but there was something about the characters that won me over.

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FINAL FANTASY VII + VIII, IX, and VII REMAKE INTERGRADE & REBIRTH To Receive Physical Releases

Square Enix has announced multiple classic Final Fantasy titles will receive physical releases this December;including Final Fantasy VII, VIII and IX.

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gold_drake227d ago

switch only for 7 8 and 9

remake and rebirth ps5

S2Killinit225d ago

7,8,9 only Switch
7 remake & rebirth only PS5?
Is this accurate? Wish it was all for both.

-Foxtrot226d ago

Why can’t they just do a cool classic collection with VII, VIII and IX in with some goodies similar to what they did with the Pixel Remaster.

FinalFantasyFanatic225d ago

I would honestly go for a Remaster Collection, just AI upscale some textures (there are really good fan mods for that), widescreen everything where possible, higher native resolution, etc...

It seems like a no-brainer to make such a large portion of what was FF's golden age into a collection of it's own.

gold_drake224d ago

this is square we're talking about.

VersusDMC225d ago

Weird that 7 and 8 are together for 40 and 9 is 40 on it's own.

8 should be the one on it's own as it actually has redone models.

jznrpg225d ago (Edited 225d ago )

I have ff8 ps4 remastered physical euro version. They should have put these on PS5 physically so lame.

B5R225d ago

I'm actually so tired of hearing about FFIX. Just replayed it with Moguri Mod earlier this month. That might as well be the definitive version.

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Broken Games That Never Got Fixed

While a lot (like way too many) games launch in sorry states these days, a lot of them do eventually get polished up over time fixes. The same can’t be said for these properly broken games.

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Cacabunga287d ago

Worst for me is wipeout 2048.
I got gold in every single player race, made it extremely far into the great online shop platinum was a finger away.. then lost all my online progression. Many players experienced the same and hadn’t been fixed since

joab777287d ago

Cyberpunk and No Mans Sky are obviously the 2
best comeback stories. Cyberpunk is literally one of the best RPGs ever made now.

Christopher287d ago

I wouldn't call NMS broken at release, just under-delivered.

Michiel1989287d ago

junctioning is only broken now because it's been datamined which monster which gives which card and which card gives which items and every single spell to junction with the highest points for each stat. For it's time when that info wasn't readily available it was good, not without it's flaws, but not broken,

-Foxtrot287d ago

Exactly. I never got this because what made it broken was the knowledge of what to exploit.

Playing the game for the first time back then you never had any knowledge to make it so easy.

One minute the Junction system is complicated, the next it's super easy / broken. What is it?

gold_drake287d ago

i mean, ff8 is not "broken" per se, its just that the junction system is too good and easily exploited even an hour into the game. haha

Ashunderfire86287d ago

Star Wars Jedi Survivor is one of them. I can’t get in the Cantina bar later on in the game. The door and other doors throughout the environment is locked off. It is a shame, because I wanted to complete the game, but I can’t until they fix it.

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Playstation Icons: Squall Leonhart

Gary Green said: Tempting as it is to dedicate our first installment of PlayStation Icons to a franchise-leader like Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, or even Sackboy, instead I’m choosing a character that I, like so many others, connected with on a personal level. He’s a moody, world-weary teen, a proud loner with no time for the drama of others, and yet he’s also a hero just waiting for the motivation to unleash his full potential. He’s a warrior. He’s a leader. He’s the king of internal monologues. It’s time to meet Squall Leonhart.

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