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Microsoft's New Plan for Xbox

Escapist Magazine: Microsoft is promising a whole new Xbox, with multiple new services and consoles in the works. But has Microsoft really learned from past mistakes? Microsoft made the second-biggest Understatement of the Year last week when Phil Spencer, Head of Xbox said, “We’ve not always lived up to our aspiration of keeping gamers at the center of everything we do when it comes to the experience they’ve had on Windows.” I think it would be more accurate to say that they’ve failed at living up to the most basic expectations of consumers, but I guess the other way sounds nicer. I’d prefer it if the company admitted to specific mistakes so we knew what faults they were supposedly trying to improve.

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Razzer2534d ago (Edited 2534d ago )

"(For nitpickers who want to claim that Microsoft doesn’t control PC gaming: I realize that people do sometimes play games on MacOS and Linux, but those platforms have such a tiny market share that they just don’t matter to big publishers when deciding where to release their games. )"

Microsoft does not control PC gaming and not because of the existence of Mac and Linux. Because Windows is an open platform and becasue of the existence of platforms such as Steam, GOG, EFS, Origin, Uplay, etc. where Microsoft receives none of the revenue and dictates nothing to those companies.

"Putting Microsoft first-party titles on Steam makes it seem like Microsoft is conceding. Is the company really going to swallow its pride and pay tribute to Valve? Is the company ready to accept that, despite its best efforts, it will never control the marketplace on PC?"

lol.....way to just contradict the hell out of your previous statement. So somehow MS controls PC gaming but doesn't control the PC gaming marketplace? Come on. If there is one company who can be described as having the most control over PC gaming it is Steam and that is because of its marketplace.

"I seriously doubt that Microsoft is changing plans due to a change of heart. My guess is that the company is changing strategies not because we didn’t like the old strategy, but because the old strategy wasn’t working. This is the equivalent of “If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em.”"

They are adapting. MS is going to Steam for its marketplace for the same reason Sony may be going to MS for Azure. Because someone else does that job better than they do. Phil Spencer admits they have done a poor job with PC. These are good steps in the right direction.

"The company that made Games for Windows Live is once again promising to serve PC gamers. Based on their track record, I’d feel safer if they went back to ignoring us."

Games for Windows Live? Uh.....a lot has changed since then. Time to move on. Regardless, the fact remains whether MS ignores PC gaming or not, PC gamers are 100% free to ignore MS if they choose to.

UltraNova2534d ago (Edited 2534d ago )

Do you really find the author's apparent scepticism on MS's future promises that strange?

"a lot has changed since then. Time to move on." Yes we should move on if and when MS proves they have changed aka fullfil their promises first.

Razzer2534d ago (Edited 2534d ago )

Sure, but if you have to yank the carcass of Games for Windows Live out of the grave then you are really reaching to make a point. MS has a long history and a lot of it wasn't very good, but should we trudge up their dealings with Apple in 80s as well? Skepticism is fine, but keep it current and relevant. This article is another level of cynicism. The support for Win32 on Windows 10 store front is a GOOD thing. This guy dumps on it as "symbolic" in importance and then says MS is scaling back on plans to lock-down Windows 10. lol....what? Game Pass is "just another" subscription service and questions the need for it. If it isn't needed then no one will buy it. What is the problem? It is like he is ranting for the sake of ranting.

This guy is all over the place. I'm liking what I'm hearing about MS and Windows 10, but again, whether I buy anything from MS or another market is still completely up to me so I don't see the problem.

rainslacker2534d ago

GFWL. Metro. Now the windows store which isnt exactly lighting up the press, and they barely push it in windows itself. It's not even on the default start menu.

MS isnt likely to.abandon the windows store, but they have history, and MS history is abandoning things which aren't working for them. Going to steams they can sell their games, but it doesn't achieve their goals for windows, which MS cares about a lot more.

For all of MS bravado about gaming on PC, their only real relevance to PC gamers is that's the OS theh have to use, and DirectX. DX is competing hard against OGL right now, as Vulcan is way ahead of MS in this area of new APIs, so for all intents and purposes this is MS trying to leverage its xbox brand to promote the idea they are a big player in the PC gaming space, when their only relevance is that they have a commonly used API, they have their own store front, and they publish some games. If a suitable OS came out that didn't require users play on windows and got the same support, MS would lose it's only tangible reason to have players support them.

MS not only neglected PC gamers for years, they actively held back gaming on PC but locking DX upgrades behind new versions of windows for no good reason. Win10 is supposed to remedy that, but MS does whatever is best for MS, and that seems to change often. Even if ms says the right things now. Even if they do the right things now, it doesn't mean anything the moment their next big idea for how to control the world comes down the pipeline...which for ms can be everytime a new CEO takes over.

indysurfn2534d ago

Microsoft said they learned after the reveals detail showed a hugh cancellations.

Then there is the current situation in China where they are doing all the bad things and MORE. So much for learning.

Oh wait Microsoft said they learned that people don't want all digital either. Five years later they release
a xbox one that is all digital! And has not disc drive! DUH!

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bluefox7552534d ago

My problem with MS is that they have a long history of over promising and under delivering, it's a rare occasion that the hype they create ever ends up in more than disappointment.

trooper_2534d ago (Edited 2534d ago )

Pretty much this.

They need walk the walk, not just talk.

Obscure_Observer2534d ago

Microsoft has the most relevant platform on PC. Ask their competitors such Sony and Valve.

Razzer2534d ago (Edited 2534d ago )

@Obscure_Observer
"Microsoft has the most relevant platform on PC. Ask their competitors such Sony and Valve."

Windows is the most relevant OS on PC. Valve is the most relevant client marketplace on PC and the single most important company in PC gaming. Simply a fact. Sony.....what the hell are you even bringing up Sony for?

@Psychotica
"Well Microsoft certainly has an influence on PC gaming since they control Windows which Steam, Origin and the very games themselves rely on."

No....they don't. Windows is an open platform. Until they close the platform then they hold no sway over those companies.

NarutoFox2534d ago (Edited 2534d ago )

"Microsoft has the most relevant platform on PC. Ask their competitors such Sony and Valve."

You had to bring up Sony. LMAO

RememberThe3572534d ago

The guy is surely all over the place and he does step on his own claim of MS PC gaming dominance. But the last two pointsyou make don't really hold water for me.

You say MS is adapting, then say that Spencer has admitted they've done a poor job of serving PC gamers. That's basically the same thing the author said, but said nicely. MS realizes they've made mistakes with PC gaming and they need to change their approach. That's more than just adapting to a changing market, they need to capture that market before they start adapting to it's changes.

You then try to shred the guy for bringing up Games for Windows Live which does seem like a good comparison IMO. To me it shows MS moving from a model that tried to monopolize every market they were in to a model that's just trying to survive in the market. It also goes to the last point of this idea that MS could bring all of PC gaming under it's own umbrella and people pushed back dramatically. It wasn't MS "adapting" when they shut down Games for Windows Live, it was consumers saying "fk that!" to their whole idea of the platform. Same thing happened when the Xbox One was announced.

MS has found itself in a "boy who cried wolf" situation. They've told gamers so much and then disappointed so much that it's not hard for people to dismiss anything they have to say.

MS and EA both need to pull a "No Man's Sky" - shut the hell up and get to work.

Razzer2534d ago (Edited 2534d ago )

@RememberThe357

"You say MS is adapting, then say that Spencer has admitted they've done a poor job of serving PC gamers. That's basically the same thing the author said, but said nicely. MS realizes they've made mistakes with PC gaming and they need to change their approach. That's more than just adapting to a changing market, they need to capture that market before they start adapting to it's changes. "

They can't "capture" the market until they adapt. But I don't want them to "capture" anything. I want them to compete and to compete they have to adapt. By embracing Steam, they are doing just that. That is the adapting I'm talking about.

And I didn't "shred the guy" for bringing up Games for Windows Live. The author was using Games for Windows Live as an example of a reason not to trust MS. He wasn't it referencing to say how much MS has changed. But to that point, I agree with your characterization of what happened there and how consumers reacted.

"MS has found itself in a "boy who cried wolf" situation. They've told gamers so much and then disappointed so much that it's not hard for people to dismiss anything they have to say. "

Now that I absolutely agree with. So many damn promises and they have delivered so damn little. And had that been the author's point then I would have been more sympathetic, but as we both said.....the guy was all over the place and really didn't make a good argument, imo.

RememberThe3572534d ago

I can't argue with your point about adapting, I did a poor job explaining my thought there. It was more about the semantics of the words and how "adapt" in that context inplied, to me, they're already competitive, which is arguable. They are, in fact, adapting but it's less to the changing times than the industry they massively misread. They were never as competitive as they wanted to be and frankly never really posed a threat to Steam.
The authors statement of "if you can't beat them, join them" seems apt in this context. MS has gotten thrashed in the PC field because IMO they were too aggressive in a market that values choice and freedom. So to me the author made a good point. They're finally seeming to understand we want them to be competitive through consistent quality products not sh!tty business practices.

Also, my comment about shredding the guy was hyperbole for sure. You did not, in fact, leave him in tiny pieces.

My defense of his arguments may come down to the fact that he shares his perspective about as vaguely as I do. I did however dislike the tone the author set with the piece, it was a bit too negative for my taste. It's one thing to be sceptical, I think that's healthy, but being that negative as if you can see the future and failure is imminent is just exhausting to read through.

Psychotica2534d ago

Well Microsoft certainly has an influence on PC gaming since they control Windows which Steam, Origin and the very games themselves rely on.

skiggy342534d ago

He was saying Linux and Mac OS are so small in vs Windows. Most people on pc's are running Steam, GOG etc in MICROSOFT WINDOWS... MS gets paid for every PC that has Windows..... get the point??

Razzer2534d ago

No, he explicitly said Microsoft controls PC gaming.

Another example:
"For the last 18 years there have been four AAA gaming platforms: Xbox, Playstation, PC, and Nintendo’s console line. Microsoft effectively controls half of all gaming platforms. "

lol.....someone need to tell him MS doesn't control Steam.

"MS gets paid for every PC that has Windows..... get the point??"

What does that have to do with controlling PC gaming? Absolutely nothing. MS gets nothing from Steam, GOG, etc. and they dictate nothing regarding those companies. Windows is an open platform and anyone can create and sell any software they want for it without paying Microsoft a dime.

rainslacker2534d ago (Edited 2534d ago )

Ms hasn't gotten a dine from me for any of my 3 computers which have windows on it. They give the OS away for free. They are doing this to get people onto windows 10 and try to get their MAUs up, because more MAUs means more chance people will.use their services, which means more money. New licenses for windows can cost money, but most of it is through commercial licenses.

So, no, ms isnt benefitting as much as some posit just because they have the dominate market. That's just dumb.

Steam makes 30% of every sale, and is pretty much the go to storefront on windows. When people thing gaming on PC, they aren't thinking windows, they're thinking steam...with a few publisher based storefronts. The only time I've heard it referenced as windows gaming is from MS and xbox fan boys who perpetuate this myth, or when the discussion is about gaming on different PC OSs.

DirectX has some influence, but Vulcan is looking better every day, and already has features which surpass MS.

MS spent a better part of the past 15 years neglecting or using PC gamers to sell windows. Now they want to use games to sell windows. They dont care about the games. None of the current moves is more than leveraging games to appeal to the market which cares about things and spreads the word.

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AK912534d ago

Jesus how much did MS pay this site to write this sh*t?

Razzer2534d ago

Uh.....this article is hardly complimentary of MS.

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UltraNova2534d ago (Edited 2534d ago )

You forgot the s/

spicelicka2534d ago

"I think it would be more accurate to say that they’ve failed at living up to the most basic expectations of consumers"

Yes they paid for the author to write this.....

CrimsonWing692534d ago

Did you even bother to read the article?

sixthelement2534d ago

13 idiots agreed with the stupid comment LOL

ghostrider322534d ago

This AK91 guy, clearly struggled during popcorn reading sessions in elementary.

AmUnRa2533d ago

So Microsoft is paying this guy to writing a negative piece about Microsoft?
Riiiiiight🙄

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Vasto2534d ago

When we play together we all win.

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william_cade2534d ago

Xbox is going to suck next gen too. Body products instead of games. What a joke.

4kgk762534d ago

William_cade@ Xbox? That must be irrelevant console brand Because I never heard of it.

gangsta_red2534d ago (Edited 2534d ago )

That's funny, MS announces 14(?) First party games to be shown at E3 and all you can bitch about are the promotional, PR marketing body products.

That's the real joke.

Kaedro2534d ago

We talk about the body products because that's the most interest thing they are doing. And even that is wildly disappointing XD

mark_parch2534d ago (Edited 2534d ago )

MS announced 14 Microsoft game studio games would be at E3
1. halo mcc
2. halo infinite
3. gears pop ( mobile )
4. gears tactics ( pc )
5. gears 5
6. outer worlds ( also on ps4 )
7. wastelands 3 ( also on ps4 )
8. age of empires ( pc )
9. battletoads
10. minecraft ( on everything )
11.ori and the will of the wisps
12. forza horizon 4 lego dlc
13. sea of thieves dlc
14. bleeding edge

could replace something like gears pop with cuphead dlc or state of decay 2 dlc and there's a chance they might show a teaser for fable but certainly don't expect too many new xbox/windows exclusives

4kgk762534d ago (Edited 2534d ago )

gangsta_red@ You the red ranger but you bleed green.

gangsta_red2534d ago

@4kgk76

I aint got time to bleed.

rainslacker2534d ago

The body products got more heat than the 14 games announcement. It's probably the first time in a long while I've seen a product from ms rise up so fast. Everything else that comes close is usually some click bait controversial stuff. In the mean time, Sony says some things about a game, or a review for days gone comes along, and it still gets more heat, and quicker.

Ms always talks itself up. Kind of like all the exclusives they showed that one year. If they have 14 1st party games, that's cool. I wasn't aware they had 14 1st party studios, but I guess they're including 2md partt as well. I.mean, no biggie it took to year 6 to get those announcement. I'm sure it'll be relevant for this gen

gangsta_red2534d ago (Edited 2534d ago )

@rainslacker

"The body products got more heat than the 14 games announcement."

It did, and as you are well aware it was filled with almost all troll comments with folks loosing their minds over a body wash with an Xbox logo slapped on it.

"Sony says some things about a game, or a review for days gone comes along, and it still gets more heat, and quicker."

Not even really sure what you mean or what this has to do with Sony. Especially considering that MS games gets the same amount of heat or any Phil Spencer article and quicker.

"Ms always talks itself up"

I'm also not even sure what that line is supposed to mean. Are they supposed to talk themselves down or not promote themselves? Why is MS held to a different marketing and PR standard than everyone else?

It's amusing how low and petty some will go just to try and complain or argue. It makes no sense to me especially when we're all gamers.

Obscure_Observer2534d ago (Edited 2534d ago )

@rainslacker

"The body products got more heat than the 14 games announcement."

Of course it did! The same people who used to call Phil Spencer a liar every time he posts a tweet doesn´t had the courage to show up on that article, and you know that! Lol!

"It did, and as you are well aware it was filled with almost all troll comments with folks loosing their minds over a body wash with an Xbox logo slapped on it."

I think Gangsta comment is the perfect response for your statement. :)

rainslacker2534d ago (Edited 2534d ago )

I'm aware gangsta. Which doesn't really make MS announcement of 14 games look better. It means more people are ready to mock MS, than people are looking forward to their games, or talk about their games. It means that MS doesn't have the mind share of the community. Whether that's right or not is besides my point, because my point was, that MS can't seem to generate much interest in it's brand in the places it matters.

No matter how something heats up, what people talk about in those articles is important. What the actual topic of the article is is important. With Sony, their games generate heat, often without major troll presence, except sometimes in reviews. Even the cross play things didn't gain as much heat, and not as quickly. Not all Sony announcements are big, but when they go big, the way it plays out in the community is much different.

By your reasoning, there are more trolls against MS, than there are actually people interested in MS products or announcements. Although, I'd say not all of them are trolls, and many may actually be people who aren't happy with what MS is doing.

As far as what I mean by MS talking itself up. It's not that I don't expect a company to promote itself, or it's products. It's that Spencer, and other Xbox executives have spent a better part of the last three years saying how they're going to be delivering all this great stuff. How it was all coming. How we should buy an Xbox because they were so good in the market. But, there was nothing behind all that talk. Instead of delivering, they just said how they would deliver. Hope that clears that up.

Anyhow, with the body products thing, to be fair, I'd probably mock Sony if they did this too. Nintendo has some stuff like this, but it's usually aimed at a younger audience. Branding Mario for toothpaste to get them to brush their teeth. Games and hygeine products marketed to adults is just a strange bedfellow to a gaming brand. I'm not going to criticize MS over the body products thing like some did. They just licensed out their brand to the company making the products. If they actively pursued this endevour, I'd probably just shake my head, but the people in the Xbox division aren't the one's who would be doing that kind of stuff outside the marketing department. It doesn't take anything away from whatever else it is they're doing.

I won't bother addressing Obscure, because he is just repeating what you say.

gangsta_red2533d ago

@rainslacker

"It means that MS doesn't have the mind share of the community."

Not true at all and this is a real ignorant statement because there is a lot of excitement to see what MS has in store for E3.

The difference is this site and how Sony fanboy trolls hijack almost any and all good news about Xbox with the same asinine rhetoric.

Xbox says they'll have 14 games from their studios. Instead of the discussion being excitement of what they'll show, it instantly becomes an argument on the term exclusives, sales, and now body wash.

"...last three years saying how they're going to be delivering all this great stuff"

I get it, you want everything to be delivered instantly and right now. MS just acquired studios and in true to life fashion games should be ready to go the next day not the typical four to five years of development that other companies take, for MS it has to be instantaneous.

This is another troll tactic I see a lot of Sony fanboys use.

Every article "MS is all talk and they never deliver" statements. Even though they have dropped Kinect, added BC, made an excellent revision with the Xbox S, created a more powerful mid gen console, created Game Pass, bought seven new studios, supporting PC.

But you know this, people here has said this to you before with those same exact examples. But all that is pushed to the side again just to keep the exaggeration of Phil and co are all talk and haven't delivered and then instead of actually discussing the topic or article it becomes another argument.

This just proves that no matter what MS does there's going to be silly and petty complaints.

Nintendo and Sony have branded items outside of Video Games also. This is nothing new, Nintendo has soaps, Sony has shoes, and other clothing with their logos and ps colors on them. No one cares because we all know it's just marketing and PR, it has nothing to do with video games and rightly so.

MS marketing teams up with some body wash company, slaps their logo on it and sells it in Australia and New Zealand and this site completely looses their shit.

I say a sarcastic "Hell Yeah" and people rush in to call me a virgin and mock me. (The irony of that is hilarious by the way.)

It just goes to show how pathetic some take their fantasy console fanboy wars and how they can't dissociate the two or turn it off. Anything and everything to complain.

You don't like MS and what they have to offer Xbox. Fine, but let's not act like they're promotions and advertising is some how much more different than Sony's and let's not judge the barometer of heat articles get on this site which is notorious for having a toxic Sony fanbase.

NarutoFox2532d ago

"I get it, you want everything to be delivered instantly and right now. MS just acquired studios and in true to life fashion games should be ready to go the next day not the typical four to five years of development that other companies take, for MS it has to be instantaneous."

I think it has to be instantaneous for Microsoft because their exclusives are not that great or on the same level of the competitors. They have a lot to prove and they have to execute next generation. IMO I think that Nintendo and Sony first party exclusives are way better and above Microsoft exclusives. The only game I liked from Microsoft was Ori, Forza, and Cuphead when it was an exclusive. Halo ain't the same anymore. I'm actually looking forward and curious to see what games they announce at E3 though.

gangsta_red2532d ago

@naruto
"I think it has to be instantaneous for Microsoft because their exclusives are not that great or on the same level of the competitors."

That's not how development works though. They just purchased those studios and now those studios need time to work on their games. So expecting MS to suddenly announce a plethora of new games after just a year of acquisitions is unreasonable.

"The only game I liked from Microsoft was Ori, Forza, and Cuphead when it was an exclusive."

Curious, did those games suddenly become bad when they weren't exclusives?

"IMO I think that Nintendo and Sony first party exclusives are way better and above Microsoft exclusives. "

Nothing wrong with that, I also think that Sony and Nintendo have made better games this gen than MS.

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Mithan2534d ago

Microsoft doesn't make a difference when it comes to PC games, they just provide an operating system. Whether they focus on it more or not is irrelevant really, provided they don't break the OS with something stupid (likely). Steam, Origin, etc, etc are the main delivery vehicles for games. They have tried with Games for Windows and the new Windows Store, but its all crap and always will be crap.

What matters is how they focus on their Xbox system, which has been terrible in recent years, because of conflicting priorities.

For MS, as their history shows, the Xbox Console is lost in the woods most of the time. It will do ok for a while, then get kicked aside for some other higher priority project in the company that is being run/pushed by some pet President that currently has the focus of their Board and is getting all the funding. Microsft has a history of running like this, in all divisions for over 15 years now.

This is why the Playstation brand is always better. Sony isn't dealing with conflicting priorities, they need to make a console and games and this is what they do. Sony runs into trouble when they decide to be different and make things like the Cell Processor, but that isn't happening with the PS5.

We might get 2 or 3 years of focused attention out of Microsoft for making better games, but that can and will change and the quality level will drop right after. Disagree? Sure go ahead, but history proves me right.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio14d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing14d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9214d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit14d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing14d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9214d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Koei Tecmo Announces Record Financial Results After Releasing Many Big Games

Today, Koei Tecmo announced its financial results for the full fiscal year 2025, related to the period between April 2025 and March 2026.

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay16d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn216d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn215d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown16d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay16d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay16d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac15d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger16d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300016d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde16d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde15d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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