Will Death Stranding release for Windows PCs?

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TheEnigma3132540d ago

wishful thinking

Razzer2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

Oh really? Why isn't Sony saying this game is exclusive? Why did Sony create a trailer earlier this year called:

"Only On PlayStation | PS4 Exclusive Games"
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

And yet Death Stranding is nowhere to be found in that trailer. Wishful thinking? Nope. Common sense.

Death Stranding will be on PC.

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Aeery2540d ago

I will wait the Ps5 or PC release. I really need 60+ fps.

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travestyj2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

@Razzer

They say it's only on PS4 in this trailer and others

https://youtu.be/rP3UngLFou...

They also have it listed as Playstation ex elusive on their website. They own the IP and the engine the game is built with was made by Sony for PS4.

There are plenty of PS4 exclusives missing from that trailer. Even Dreams isn't there. Doesn't mean it will be on PC

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Vegamyster2540d ago

travestyj

In regards to the engine

Kojima:

"Usually when you go to use, buy or borrow an engine, someone will say, “Lend us your name,” or of course ask for payment. We had no contract with Guerrilla Games, but when we met them they suddenly gave us a box, a very pretty box. When we opened the box, there was a USB dongle inside that had the source code for the engine.

It was different from the engine they originally gave us, so we decided we should give this new engine a name. That’s when we came up with the ‘Decima’ name (derived from Dejima – an artificial island in Japan where The Netherlands and Japan would trade during the Edo period). I really feel that with both of us working on this engine we are accomplishing the work at twice the speed and building something really fantastic."

https://blog.us.playstation...

It was a joint effort, it wasn't made purely by Sony.

The game was also funded by Sony from the start who agreed on a PC version when the deal was first announced.

Q6. What other platforms will Kojima’s first independent title be available on, besides PS4?
The title is planned to become available on PC (after PS4).
Q7. How long is the exclusivity?
We are not disclosing details.
Q8. Will Kojima’s second title (and beyond) not be PlayStation console exclusives?
We announced an agreement regarding Kojima’s first title, and SCE cannot comment on titles beyond that.

https://archive.md/aNiK3#se...

They called it a console exclusive in 2016: https://www.sie.com/en/corp...

Does any of this mean it will come to PC? Who knows, probably not but i wouldn't be shocked to see it come later down the line.

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Razzer2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

@travestyj
"They say it's only on PS4 in this trailer and others "

Ok.....strange. So now we have conflicting messages. The game was announced as a PS4/PC game and as a "console exclusive" and here we have a single trailer with the words "Only on Playstation". I've seen no "others'. And I didn't see this advertised in the official reveal trailer or the promotional materials on the games sales pages.

No where on Amazon's page do you see this game described as Only on Playstation or Exclusive:
https://www.amazon.com/Deat...

But on just about every PS4 exclusive over the last few years include this message on the top of their respective Amazon page:

"Only On PlayStation:
Exclusive games take you on incredible journeys. Experience award winning epics to family friendly favorites only on PlayStation. Learn more"
https://www.amazon.com/Marv...
https://www.amazon.com/God-...
https://www.amazon.com/Days...
https://www.amazon.com/Hori...
https://www.amazon.com/Unch...
https://www.amazon.com/Unch...

Sony really needs to clear this up.

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Mystogan2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

It's gonna be on PC eventually. They never referred to it officially as exclusive. Not on the box. Not anywhere.

And whenever that is the case. You know it's gonna be on PC eventually. Besides the fact that they even said this in the beginning. But everyone seemed to have forgotten lol.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pc...

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dcbronco2540d ago

Streaming is coming, boyo. The only exclusivity badge for any game will be service exclusive. So you can get over your precious platform exclusive needs. They don't exist anymore. This is the evolution of gaming away from a niche market to becoming the top entertainment market without peer. Appreciate that, it will make future games better than ever. And it will bring new studios and new game mechanics. Yes, it will bring shovelware, but 10% of a 500 million install base means almost any developer can survive and prosper. Selling to 2% means 10 million units sold and the ability to afford your next project. It will revive the industry, create jobs and hundreds of new studios. Streaming will bring a new golden age of gaming.

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343_Guilty_Spark2539d ago

@AEERY

To help you walk faster?

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S2Killinit2539d ago

@Razzer
Its not looking like it will be released on PC, but maybe on PSNow at some point in the future?

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Babadook72539d ago (Edited 2539d ago )

I can’t think of any Playstation game created on an in house 1st party custom game engine (decima) that has ever come to pc.

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Tech52539d ago

Babadook7 -"I can’t think of any Playstation game created on an in house 1st party custom game engine (decima) that has ever come to pc."

"Journey" and "Below" - are both built on Sony's PhyreEngine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

just listed you 2 games.

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BLizardXD2539d ago (Edited 2539d ago )

"Will Death Stranding release for Windows PCs?"

this landing on pc will change many gamers perception.
first, the 2015 contract was already signed by sony, which included a pc version. the contract was based on the assumption the IP would use common middleware for deployment. the engine it's using does not create the bind though. the contract was for the IP, not the engine. in the aspect of chain of command, the IP contract is higher than engine. Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 was evident of this. Microsoft still holds publishing rights to the original Ninja Gaiden 2 engine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

just remember this when Death Stranding lands on pc.

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TekoIie2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

To be fair there are games with the "Only on PlayStation" tag on the box art that later got a PC port like Nioh and Detroit. Just means it can go either way. Out of interest was Sony announced as the publisher when the platforms were originally announced?

rainslacker2539d ago

I dont care either way. I'll play it on ps because that's where I play games mostly. If it comes to PC, I hope my fellow gamers enjoy it there if they prefer.

I recognize that exclusives have their place in selling a console, but I'm not going to stress it if not every game is an exclusive, or even if a console maker releases their games elsewhere. So long as the expected quality is there, and they take advantage of the hardware where applicable, I'm good.

Worry about if kojima will take advantage of ps console hardware should be the least of people's concerns, because outside first party, he actually is known for it, and seems to take great pride in squeezing all he can out of the ps platform. He's a tech junkie over everything, and he's a huge playstation and Sony fan.

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northpaws2540d ago

It is using Decima Engine, I would say it is almost impossible that this would release on PC.

MasterCornholio2540d ago

Unless Kojima uses another engine but that would take some time to do.

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GTgamer2540d ago

@mastercornholio trust and believe he ain't doing all of that 😂 😂 😂 😂

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Razzer2540d ago

That doesn't make it impossible at all. It means Sony allowing the Decima Engine to be used in the PC version is part of the agreement they made with Kojima.

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quent2540d ago

ok little genius and how and on what platform do you think these game engines get coded/created on ?, you with youre 21 upvoters complete fail

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Glak182540d ago

@quent

Since PS4 is based off the Linux kernel and heavily uses OpenGL, that leaves two options:

1 - The team that developed the Decima Engine were forward thinking and planned for using completely different APIs

or

2 - Kojima would have to have a completely different version of the game to work with Windows and DirectX since they would be totally different wrappers

So let's figure out which one is more plausible....how many PC games utilize the Decima Engine?

Hint: ZERO (0)

I don't have any upvoters, only 20+ years experience as a software engineer. How and/or what the engine is coded in doesn't matter, what matters is what it is coded to do and what is will interface with. Now since it is a proprietary engine written to specially create PS4 games, the chances the engine is overhauled (basically rewritten from scratch) to work with Windows is extremely slim (although possible).

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rainslacker2539d ago

Not really impossible. He has the source code, and if he was given the go ahead to use the engine using PC based APIs there is really nothing that would prevent a general consumer release on PC. Dev kits can already build to PC, often are pcs, and then only difference between them and a standard PC is they're closed systems with the proper software to interface with the hardware, and they can output to console dev units for direct hardware testing.

All indo all day is write tools which takes APIs from engine makers, tool makers, or console makers, and make them work on other platforms, then I write interfaces for easy integration into yet other engines or API's.

Its dry, very technical work, but far from impossible, and it's not even exceptionally hard if you do it enough because there are so many interface layers in modern game engines, tools or gaming hardware, that I can choose what is the best approach, and try different things to see what is the most efficient.

Kojima's team also makes game engines, Sony they should have the capable qualifications to make the necessary changes for general PC release.

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InsaneChronos2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

Persona 5 isn't "Only on PlayStation". Go play it on PC, Switch or Xbox.

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Nasdac2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

No it's not. A Musou spin off is not Persona 5.

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Nitrowolf22540d ago

They actually did, at least on their website
https://i.redd.it/eo9q11kvd...

Persian_Immortal2540d ago

https://www.youtube.com/wat... , their is a version on the main PS account of the same video that says Only On PlayStation for a few seconds. https://www.youtube.com/wat...

let me carefully explain what's going on here, and does that community manager still work for Sony i doubt it a peon mentions something invalid and false and the people run with it, but Kojima and Sony never mention PC

1. Sony Music Entertainment is doing the complete soundtrack for Death Stranding all the music in DS will be licensed by SME and will be Sony property which also inflates the buget of the game further pushing the possibilities of a PC port. (NEW Information)

2. Decima Engine games are all exclusively on the PS4 why do the inbreeds fail to read and realize this, Rigs, Killzone Shadowfall, Until Dawn, Rush of Blood, Inpatient, Horizon Zero Dawn etc the upcoming titles on the engine are likely to follow suit unless the tools here think HZD2 and KZ5/GG New I.P is also going to PC?

3. Mark Cerny is the Technical Producer (Sony Exec/Consultant) and every PS title after the PS1 produced by Cerny/ Designed has been exclusively on PlayStation I.E Marvel-Spiderman.

4. All the Motion Capture / Facial Animation done at San Diego with help from Sonys Visual Service Arts Group who are heavily assisting in the games development as per mads 300+ developers claim, Kojima Productions is a 100 man team .

5. Playstation's lead Audio Engineers assisted in the recent trailer production and are likely implementing PS5 audio features as well, which is something every Sony first party is currently getting support for, including Insomniac Games who have had multiple studio hires coming straight from Sony.

6. Kojima has a Satellite Studio houses in Guerrilla Games to further improve the Decima Engine and Kojima is likely gonna continue his partnership with PlayStation given the freedom and support hes being received.

7. VASG referred to Death Stranding as a franchise in 1 of their job listings, so this likely means we will have more Death Stranding being that PlayStation is dumping alot of money into this property and are likely gonna want to make the most money out of it and sell consoles in the process and lets humor a PC release probably another Sony Published Epic Exclusive like, Journey, Heavy Rain, Detroit, Beyond all owned I.P's but if they have yet to put anything on the scale of God Of War, Uncharted on the Epic Store why would this change now it has a better chance appearing on PSnow before it hits PC?.

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Persian_Immortal2539d ago

@Tree FIddy oh that was piss poor did you at least think longer then 2 seconds when replying let alone fact checking?

1. Lmao you realize the Decima Engine is just the Killzone Engine from the PS3 Gen with a Name, most sony studios engines dont have a name but of course the games made on those engines are Sony Owned I.P's .

2. They own all the Trademarks "World Intellectual Property Database" confirms this key word I.P 12 in Total that more then just the U.S, you own a computer learn how to use it and do research.
https://www.wipo.int/brandd... search Death Stranding and you will see Sony Interactive Entertainment as the owner of all the Trademarks

3. There biggest Producer being involved means. They are putting alot of hands on this game.I already mentioned Sony Visual Arts Studio's involvement with motion capture, facial animations and general game developmen. The only other second party VASG worked with was Insomniac Games who again, the exclusives they have made are for PS only are your starting to understand? If not just means you need to learn to read.

4. Sony Music Entertainment is now in a partnership with Sony Interactive Entertainment to work closely on making music for their First Party Exclusives. That's what you dont seem to grasp here either SME is only gonna be doing this for Sony properties.

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FanboySpotter2540d ago

Oh what. Nice find

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Xavi4K2540d ago

Agree

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jaycptza2540d ago

SONY owns the IP

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DafunkyRebel2540d ago

Sony funded the game right? So it stands to reason that it would be exclusive without stating it

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Ceaser98573612540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

Well It's trademarked as Sony's property and decima engine (Guerilla Games) is owned by Sony again.
We will need to hear what Sony and Kojima decides..

So Publishing and Trademark has diff meaning.. Destiny was published by Activision. Sony even Published All QD's game..

Anyways if a PC release happens we will know soon...

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sampsonon2539d ago

SIE. ENOUGH SAID.

Persian_Immortal2539d ago (Edited 2539d ago )

https://www.sie.com/en/corp... Pretty much this SIE Corporate in a statement to press unveiling Death Stranding. Mentions they have the copyright.
https://www.sie.com/en/corp... comparison to the above Tales of Xillia mentions copyright aswell

We already established all the registered trademarks 12 in total there is nothing more to be said, Mocap/Facial Animations (VASG), Engine Decima(GG) , Soundtrack and music (SME), Audio Engineering (PS Sound team) Lead Sound Designer "Mike Niderqull" http://mikeniederquell.com/...

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trooper_2539d ago

Are you for real.
This is a PS exclusive, period. With Kojima working closely with Sony, the chances of this coming to PC is slim.

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gamesftw2502539d ago

lmao all of these downvotes. This guy is right you know.

Foxhound9222539d ago

You are 100% factually incorrect.

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NiteX2539d ago

It's crazy how upset PS fanboys get over the idea. Begs the question, why are they getting so offended? Are they really that selfish to where they want it all to themselves?

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Jin_Sakai2540d ago

Another port begging thread? This is getting old.

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Razzer2540d ago

lol....port begging? The game was initially announced for PS4 and PC. There has never been an announcement saying that has changed.

Marioraider182540d ago

Where has it been announced for PC?

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generic-user-name2540d ago

That was before the decima engine came into play. The pc version hasn't been mentioned in years.

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AspiringProGenji2540d ago

The game was never announced for both platforms. Kojima just said on Twitter one day that “everything goes multiplatform eventually” so everyone took it as the game was not gonna be exclusive, and this was even before he started to visit studios looking for an engine and settled with Guerrilla games”

I am not against this idead but I am juat saying...

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xX-oldboy-Xx2540d ago

That was a translation error I believe, it's a Trademark of Sony uses Sony's engine that was developed by GG.

This isn't the same situation as Heavy Rain or DETROIT.

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Razzer2540d ago

"I dont believe the game was never officially announced for PC Razzer."

Actually it was announced to SIE stockholders as a "console exclusive".
https://www.sie.com/en/corp...

But other than that, the only other reference to the game coming to PC is from the PadPoet blog post which as been deleted and exists now only in a web archive page.

My confidence isn't so high after looking into this more. I really have no idea at this point. As I posted below, I am now seeing references to the game as a PS4 exclusive that I had not seen before.

Here in the right hand corner:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

And this list of PS4 exclusives:
https://www.playstation.com...

Still do not understand why Sony isn't more vocal about this exclusivity though.

"Yes another port begin."

Hilarious. So I'm begging for a port of a game that I've preordered to play on my PS4 Pro. Yeah...that makes sense. Sit down, son.

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Chumdiddy2540d ago

It was an article from thr day the partnership was announced that has since been completely outdated.

People keep pointing to one publication that jumped the gun, since admitted they jumped the gun and corrected themselves.

It'll go to PC if Sony allows it and that seems unlikely (at best).

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Imalwaysright2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

As Razzer said, Sony and Kojima made a timed exclusive deal https://gamerant.com/kojima... and the only begging that I'm seeing is from those that want this game to be a playstation exclusive.

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Imalwaysright2540d ago

SolidGamerX

What's "speculative" about that Q&A? It point blank stated that the game was coming to the PC.

Also, it was a community manager that worked for Sony that posted that Q&A. It was someone that was representing Sony so it is 100% more official than random N4g users claiming that the game won't be released on the PC without any proof that it won't.

Deleting the Q&A isn't proof that the game won't be released on the PC. Why didn't someone from Sony come out and say that it was a mistake? That the game was not coming to the PC?

People like you are the ones doing the begging.

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Imalwaysright2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

A community manager that worked for Sony Computer Entertainment is an official source and no amount of spinning will change that.

"Deleting the comment is even less proof its coming to PC" but it is proof that it won't come to the PC?

"Not surprised you couldn't end your comment without a personal attack" Not surprised that you're an hypocrite that can't take the same exact "personal attack" that you dished.

"I don't have to beg for anything" yeah so you say...

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Razzer2540d ago

The more I look into this, the more conflicting information I am finding. Amazon's page doesn't have any mention of "Only on PlayStation" while most other recent exclusives state it prominently.

But now I am seeing multiple references to this game being exclusive to PS4.

Here in the right hand corner:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

And this list of PS4 exclusives:
https://www.playstation.com...

I have no idea if this game is coming to PC or not at this point. Sony needs to clear this up.

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jaycptza2540d ago

The IP is owned by SONY dumb arse

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Teutep2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

I legit don't understand what's bad about people wanting games? Besides, PS4 players do the exact same thing, it's not like it's one-sided.

I own a PC (7600K+970+16GB 3200MHz DDR4), PS4 Slim and a Nintendo Switch and I'd be down for buying this on PC; that being said I don't mind buying it on PS4. What do you have to lose by more people having access to good games? Do you have such a hard on for a company that legit doesn't care about you as an individual that you'd prefer that over consumer freedom? Because that's sad if so.

Proof: https://i.imgur.com/Ki99dip... because I know there's diehard fanboys out there who'd bring this to question first.

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Teutep2540d ago

Anyhow, people should read this https://www.reddit.com/r/pc...

I'd say there's nothing wrong about being hopeful; as long as you keep your healthy dose of scepticism. If you do however own a PS4, not buying this game just due to hopes of a port is stupid - if you ask me.

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LoveSpuds2540d ago

@tuetep
Exclusivity is a key element that Sony has which strengthens their brand and drives their success, I personally want to see Sony consoles continue to succeed and deliver and that is why I am keen for Sony to continue to deliver big exclusives, it's good for the Playstation brand.

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starchild2540d ago

I completely agree. "Port begging" is one of stupidest terms ever invented. Anybody seriously using that term comes off as extremely childish and irrational. There's nothing wrong with wanting good games on your platform. It would be illogical not to. The ones hurling that term at people as if it were an insult recall an image of Gollum jealously guarding their precious exclusive repeating "it came to me...my own...my love...my precious...it's mine!"

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carcarias2539d ago (Edited 2539d ago )

Yeah, I'm in the same boat. Would love to play on pc at 60fps, but I'll get it on PS4 rather than wait.

However, all your common sense and rationality is lost in these comments sections, imho. Fanboys are too hard-line to like the idea that what could be a groundbreaking title might appear on another platform. You'd think they'd just be happy it won't come to Xbox (if they really have to have their console war), but no, they get all insecure and protective even when it comes to a platform that isn't a direct competitor.

It's sad, but you only have to look at all the downvotes, even on things that are simply verified fact, to see how it goes around here.

I remember when the game was announced they said it would be on PC, I even remember the little PC logo on the website. Lots of people here denying that ever happened because it upsets them for some strange reason.

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milohighclub2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

I mean.. PSnow is a trademark of Sony. Not saying it is or I even care if it does but never say never. XD

Teutep2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

That's actually a fair point. I'll probably have played Death Stranding by then (assuming I'll pick it up instead of play my almost neverending backlog across all the platforms), but it's probable - especially with the next generation coming and Sony's further investment into streaming technologies (including the collaboration with Microsoft) that we'll eventually see this game, and some other titles hit PlayStation Now (which is usable on PC).

Luckily I live in a country (Finland) where we have no datacaps and fast internet speeds are cheap, so this'll be a good alternative to buying a PlayStation 5 for example.

I'd respect Sony more if they just made PlayStation more of a brand, than necessarily limit it behind hardware whose sales grant them less money than the software side of things. Although, while I don't see hardware being replaced anytime soon, it's the direction we're seemingly slowly going towards.

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PrinceOfAnger2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

Yeah I've seen port begging for squadron 42 on PS4
+ Star citizen

"The developer noted that
Sony seems to be the most eager to embrace indie games and the idea of openness, and they chased us down to give us some dev kits،"

I've seen port begging for hunt showdown, cuphead , lost soul aside
Etc.

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343_Guilty_Spark2539d ago

It hurts you others want to also want to enjoy the game?

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jeromeface2540d ago

I doubt sony would let him use horizon's engine if it wasn't exclusive.

meep3162539d ago (Edited 2539d ago )

Of course they would, just depends on the deal that was signed. Sony has been know to even publish some games for pc, and the pc market is growing.

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BradsGamingPlace2540d ago

Bruh, you forreal?

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lociefer2540d ago

Wasn't it already announced for ps4 and pc ? Thought i read that somewhere

ILostMyMind2540d ago

Nope. Never was.

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noprin2540d ago

It was,long time ago,before the game had a name

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porkChop2540d ago

It's pretty likely. Kojima has wanted to be multiplatform for a long time. Sony likely agreed as long as the game is exclusive to PS4 for the first year or so. It's worth it due to it being Kojima.

milohighclub2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

I agree. After his experience at konami, control around creating and releasing his work was probably high on his list of t&cs.
At the end of the day kojima prod. Is a 3rd party studio. Much weirder things have happened than a 3rd party studio releasing their game multiplat.

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derek2540d ago

No kojima wanted to have his own studio which he does. He has now entered into an agreement with his favorite platform holder Sony to produce a game for them. Sony is paying for the game so they own the ip, Kojima remains independent like insomniac games.

jaycptza2540d ago

One person who isn't a idiot here

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Kribwalker2539d ago (Edited 2539d ago )

I’ve been thinking of building a Gaming PC, if this games any good (really it’s quite hard to tell right now, other than kojima being involved) maybe i’ll wait to play it on that. Native 4k and 60+fps is my target if i do it, none of this checkerboard crap

The_Sage2539d ago

Just buy a PS4 already, Krib. You'll have so many great games to play that you can't play anywhere else. It's way cheaper than building a decent PC. $3000 if your serious.

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Kribwalker2539d ago

I have a PS4 already. I don’t have a pro, and not gonna upgrade to a pro with the new consoles coming out next year. But with the way these platforms are going, id be better off buying a wicked PC then streaming games instead of buying multiple consoles

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Razzer2539d ago (Edited 2539d ago )

"none of this checkerboard crap"

lol....you wouldn't be able to spot a game utilizing checkerboarding if you tried. Only reason you know a game is using checkerboarding is because folks like DF told you.

"id be better off buying a wicked PC then streaming games instead of buying multiple consoles"

You are talking shit about checkerboarding but are somehow fine with streaming?

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gangsta_red2540d ago

I don't see why not, this isn't the first time Sony backed a project and let it also release on PC.

The_Sage2539d ago

From what I understand, it's not just backed by Sony like Detroit, but they've actually bought the IP.

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gangsta_red2539d ago

I haven't heard of this, is there an actual link that says just that?

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Fonso1282539d ago

I’m glad Street Fighter V was on my preferred platform the PC via Steam. Thank you Sony for doing something cool for once. Now do that again with Death Stranding. Do my biding Sony!

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kingcorey2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

Its a timed exclusive. It will never come to xbox but will release on pc at some point. https://www.pcgamesn.com/de...

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generic-user-name2540d ago

That guy since tweeted again saying he was only going off officially stated info released in 2015 when he made that claim.

Imalwaysright2540d ago

And since then, no official word that the PC version had been cancelled. There is no reason to think that it was.

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generic-user-name2540d ago

@imalwaysright

Since then kojima chose the decima engine, Sony tech, to make Death Stranding.

Since then the original Q&A article that first mentioned the pc port has been deleted.

Not to mention when Sony cut deals for games that are console exclusive they never hide that it's coming to pc too, such as Street Fighter V, so why hasn't kojima mentioned it in years?

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Imalwaysright2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

generic-user-name

Decima engine was given, not chosen, to Kojima as a goodwill gesture by GG and Kojima couldn't even believe that GG would just give it to him but they did. This is how it went according to Hulst:

"“I was talking to Michiel v.d. Leeuw, our technical director, and said, ‘You know what, let’s just give Kojima Productions our source code on a stick and offer it to them,'” recounted Hulst.

“They just couldn’t believe that a studio like us would just hand that to them. They wondered why. The honest reason was just for them to make a game. The idea that we can enable a studio of that calibre to make a great game, and we can play a part of that,” he added."

https://www.vg247.com/2019/...

Decima Engine has nothing to do with the deal that Sony and Kojima made.

"Since then the original Q&A article that first mentioned the pc port has been deleted." wich isn't an official confirmation that the PC version has been cancelled. Why didn't Sony just say that it was a mistake? That there wouldn't be a PC version? It was deleted because they didn't want anyone to know that the game was multiplatform.

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generic-user-name2540d ago

It was offered but he wasn't forced to choose it. Here's what kojima himself says:

"Before making any contracts or anything they just gave me this"

Implying contracts were signed afterwards.

"It was deleted because they didn't want anyone to know that the game was multiplatform."

Surely if they wanted to hide that info (and they don't hide it with other titles), then the Q&A would never have included it in the first place? That's a bit too much of an oversight to be an accident.

Also keep in mind, that Q&A article, the one that stated a pc version, was released before the game was even called Death Stranding, nobody knew anything about the game. Its very possible it was going to be on pc before Sony made an exclusivity deal.

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Imalwaysright2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

Yes and I'm sure that devs that use the Unreal Engine like Bend used for Days Gone also had to sign 1 or 2 contracts to use it so I don't see any correlation. The idea to allow Kojima Productions to use the engine came from Hulst, not Sony higher ups, and when Kojima asked him why he said: "honest reason was just for them to make a game" meaning no strings attached. From the looks of it Sony didn't know that GG would give the engine to Kojima as a goodwill gesture but even if they did, Kojima certainly didn't so the engine wasn't part of the deal that he made with Sony.

Why? Maybe the person that posted the Q&A wasn't aware that Sony didn't want that detail to be known but if Sony didn't have anything to hide why delete instead of coming clean?

@ tekiz

I reject your correction because I find it absolutely irrelevant and idiotic. The deal that Sony and Kojima didn't magically become void just because the game was in pre production.

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generic-user-name2540d ago

@imalwaysright

Hulst almost certainly had to get the ok before offering the engine to kojima, I wouldn't be surprised if Cerny even encouraged Hulst to do so. Sony owns Guerilla so whatever they make, belongs to Sony, decima included, its not Hulst's to give freely.

Here's Death Stranding's 2018 e3 trailer.
https://youtu.be/rP3UngLFou...

You'll notice it says "only on playstation" in the first 3 seconds. How's that for 'coming clean'?

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kingcorey2539d ago (Edited 2539d ago )

Have you once heard that its a ps exclusive? Does it say only on ps on the box? If it was exclusive they would be advertising it as exclusive.. I do all my gaming on the pro so i wouldnt care if it was exclusive im just saying they are not claiming its exclusive at all

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Fonso1282539d ago

I’m glad Death stranding is coming to PC. That way I can play it at a stable frame rate.

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chiefJohn1172540d ago

Can't wait to play this in 120fps on my mega PC...

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xX-oldboy-Xx2540d ago

Just enjoy Crackdown 3.

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Ninver2540d ago

Oh you'll be waiting alright.

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xX-oldboy-Xx2540d ago

It seems no one's enjoying Crackdoen 3, don't worry gents, ladies and non-binaries ms has 14 'excluisive' games. That's something to look forward too.

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porkChop2540d ago

What do MS or Crackdown 3 have to do with any of this?

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xX-oldboy-Xx2540d ago

porkchop - if people were enjoying the games they were given, they wouldn't be port begging.

Does that clear it up? Gave you more credit mate - my mistake.

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chiefJohn1172540d ago

You must be crackdown fan

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majedx92540d ago

half life 3 ? any day now?

ILostMyMind2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

It would be excusive to PS5. 😂

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The_Sage2539d ago

Forever is a long time to wait.

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plmkoh2540d ago

The Decima engine has no tech support for PC porting. So porting will be a mess, not impossible but will be a mess.

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Imalwaysright2540d ago

The game is being developed with a modified version of the Decima engine https://www.gamesradar.com/...

xX-oldboy-Xx2540d ago

Of course it is, GG gave Kojima the source code - they are working in conjunction to improve DECIMA. BTW that source is 3yrs old haha

I'll happily admit I'm wrong if the time comes, but I'm quietly confident as are most people capable of critical thought - it'll remain a PS exclusive.

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Imalwaysright2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

Yes and it could be modified to be ported to the PC so for those saying that the engine might be an obstacle for the PC version, maybe it isn't.

"most people capable of critical thought"

Is that so? Do tell us the logical basis of that critical thought.

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xX-oldboy-Xx2540d ago

Ok - lets see if i can convince you - It's a Sony funded game, it's a Sony owned ip, it's a Sony funded and created engine - is that enough?

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Imalwaysright2540d ago

"It's a Sony funded game" So was Street Fighter.

"it's a Sony owned ip" Prove it and if you're going to say "trademark" I suggest that you read this 1st https://www.wipo.int/wipo_m...

" it's a Sony funded and created engine" Wich was given to Kojima as a goodwill gesture from GG with no strings attached. The Decima didn't have anything to do with the deal that Sony and kojima made.

https://www.vg247.com/2019/...

Having said this the answear is no, it's not enough.

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xX-oldboy-Xx2540d ago

So GG gave them the engine to create games on a competing platform? Do you know how notalwaysright that sounds?

This is part where critical thought is needed and not just believing something because you what it to be true.

Here's an idea - revel in the games you have access to on your given platform. I actually chose the best place to play - they appease my hunger for new games on a regular basis.

Like I said - happy to admit I'm wrong if it releases on PC, but please remember the game isn't even out yet and we already have these articles.

When was the last an xbox title was begged for? Or even an Nintendo title. It says something of the quality of PlayStation/Sony titles.

Should join in mate, plenty of room in the PlayStation Nation (cringey I know haha)

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Imalwaysright2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

"So GG gave them the engine to create games on a competing platform? Do you know how notalwaysright that sounds?

"This is part where critical thought is needed and not just believing something because you what it to be true."

So funding games that were released on a "competing platform" wich most likely cost Sony a decent amount of money isn't a problem but allowing the use of an engine for a game that they will benefit from even if it is timed exclusive is a problem for Sony? Sorry but that seems like a contradiction to me and I have no reason to doubt Mr. Hulst's words.

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Action GO FIGURE2540d ago

Modified sure. But you agree they use the assets of the engine yes? Unmodified or not, they're still using Decima engine which Sony has ownership of.

You want this game on PC? Use a different engine.

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jaycptza2540d ago

Not modified in that way idiot. They always modifying the engine why are you so stupid

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Action GO FIGURE2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

Don't be silly. You seriously can't believe Kojima Productions or any other publisher can publish this game on PC without having some sort of consent from Sony.

Decima is mostly a Sony engine and if they were to release this on Steam, do you think they are willing to give up 30% of their total revenue? Publishing on Epic Games store and Origin is out of the question.

porkChop2540d ago

"Publishing on Epic Games store and Origin is out of the question."

Uh, Sony's Quantic Dreams games are releasing exclusively on the EGS. So how is that out of the question?

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Action GO FIGURE2540d ago

Err.

1. Quantic Dream used their own proprietary engine.
2. Quantic Dream is a third-party developer.

This is a completely different situation.

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xX-oldboy-Xx2540d ago

porkchop - You want it that bad, huh? Just grab a PS4. Suck it up - your platform of choice has starved you long enough.

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porkChop2540d ago

@Action

Sony owns the IPs though, and is releasing all 3 games exclusively on EGS. That was my point. If the game does release on PC then EGS is clearly not out of the question.

@oldboy

I've had a PS4 since launch and I have Death Stranding pre-ordered, so I don't know wth you're talking about.

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Action GO FIGURE2539d ago

Pork - Quantic Dreams doesn't need consent to use their own engine and publish their own game.

This game is using Sony tech so they are the rightful owners. If you really want this game, ask for a different engine.

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porkChop2539d ago

"publish their own game"

The games do not belong to QD. Sony owns the IP for all three games.

"If you really want this game, ask for a different engine."

As I've already said, I have a PS4 and I have the game pre-ordered. I'm going to play the game regardless of whether it comes to PC or not.

Action GO FIGURE2539d ago

Pork:

https://www.polygon.com/201...

"and it appears that the developer retains ownership of the intellectual property for its games — otherwise, Sony would have to agree to the PC versions."

https://www.gamereactor.eu/...

"we will be self-publishing all our titles."

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xX-oldboy-Xx2540d ago

The latest in a long line of PlayStation exclusives to be the victim of port begging.

Remember everyone exclusives don't matter, BC is the future and CrossPlay is the saviour.

The point of exclusives is to entice people to buy your hardware, strange concept isn't it.

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Vegamyster2540d ago

"victim of port begging", that's pretty melodramatic lol.

Look at the reactions in this article from a few years ago about a small Nioh PC port petition: https://n4g.com/news/201736...

Then look at the reaction when it was announced for PC: https://n4g.com/news/210744...

I don't see what the problem is, i would never give someone crap if they wanted a game like Civilization or Xcom 3 ect on PS4/Xone. This game probably won't come to PC, if it does it doesn't affect anyone that already bought it on console.

xX-oldboy-Xx2540d ago

I'm one for drama mate - I love the theatre of it. The reality being if the urge is so strong to play Death Stranding - people should own or buy a PS4.

If they can afford a PC that can run this game at some of specs these numpties have alluded to, they can afford a PS4.

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Vegamyster2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

That's not the argument i made and your response is pretty much the same type of comments in the first link i posted yet none of these people cared when it eventually came to PC, i just don't see how it matters and i used games that have been "port begged" from PC as examples. The idea that you should drop $380 for a new console + 1 game you want instead of asking for a potential port for $80 is silly, especially with the PS5 on the horizon.

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Action GO FIGURE2540d ago

Vega - $380 is on a console is nothing. A console can play games out of the box. PCs however need to be upgraded every 2 or 3 years. A price of a CPU or GPU can get you console and maybe 3 games.

If that's not a deal, I don't know what is.

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Vegamyster2539d ago

Action GO FIGURE

You've never done PC gaming if you think you have to upgrade every 2-3 years, my point isn't that $380 is a lot of money, it's that spending $80 is much more appealing.

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Action GO FIGURE2539d ago

Vega - Agreed. It's not a problem for people who already have the console to just pay for the game.

You're proved the reason why PC gamers are elitist.

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Vegamyster2539d ago

Action GO FIGURE

That doesn't even make sense nor address what i said, the only elitist statement here is you thinking $380 is nothing while making up that you have to upgrade a PC every 2-3 years.

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starchild2540d ago

You sound like a child using that ridiculous term "port begging". Only a mind completely twisted by fanaticism could think that is any kind of insult. It's rational to want good games on your platform. Trying to make that into a bad thing is what's insane.

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carcarias2539d ago

You'd beg for a port too if you enjoyed 60fps.

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Silly gameAr2540d ago

Probably.

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vostro202540d ago

fuck no

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Silly gameAr2540d ago

Never say never new guy. Anything can happen now in days. If people can take up for a company that half assed the whole gen, and costed on promises, who knows what could happen in the future.

Even if you're a pretend fanboy troll, the future is uncertain.

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Twinblade2540d ago

It's being published by Sony Interactive Entertainment, yeah... I really doubt it's going to end up on pc.

jaycptza2540d ago

SONY owns the Death Stranding IP

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covcha2540d ago

No.

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mkis0072540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

When the box art is final, if it says only on playstation it will be the end of it. That said It wont come out on pc until ps5 is it out anyway. With DetroitBH coming to pc, I think Sony's stance has shifted.

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jaycptza2540d ago

SONY published DBH. SONY owns the Death Stranding IP

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XxINFERNUSxX2540d ago

It should, what's the point of all that ray tracing, this game can really take advantage of that PC tech. PC does not compete with consoles anyway. It's always Xbox, PS, Switch. PC is not part of that, it plays games but not a console.

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LoveSpuds2540d ago

I disagree, by creating compelling exclusive content Sony are making their hardware pretty essential, even for those with decent gaming rigs.

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starchild2540d ago

They don't make much money in hardware though. Their goal isn't to sell hardware. That's only a means to an end. Their goal is to have you buy into their ecosystem. Buy their games. Buy their services. Buy multiplatform games from their store.

A PC gamer, at most, is going to buy the console just to play the handful of exclusives that interest them. And sure, they'll make a small bit of profit off that console sale, but it's not much. And certainly not as much as they would make if they could reach the millions of PC gamers that will not spend hundreds of dollars as a hardware entry fee but would gladly buy their games if they were made available for their platform.

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LoveSpuds2539d ago

@Starchild
To a degree, yes.....but, you need an install base to sell software to in the first place.

Sony understand this better than anyone else, while Nintendo traditionally rely on their fantastic exclusives and MS rely heavily on 3rd party software, Sony have always hit the perfect balance of sprinkling in amazing exclusives to compliment the 3rd party titles.

Exclusives are key to Playstations success.

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Mr Marvel2540d ago

A buggy PC port will probably come to PC... in 3 of 4 years time, so just wait patiently in your parent’s based until then.

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MadLad2540d ago

Oh get over yourself.

PC gamers tend to be an older demographic with more disposable income - aka decent jobs.
Pretty sure the majority of us have our own place. But you can let your console fanboy wheezing commence, if you want. Just makes you look insecure over a freaking plastic box you play games on; which is pathetic.

Action GO FIGURE2540d ago

The older demographic sure love their:

-Nude mods
-Toxic community
-Online hacking

Do continue.

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MadLad2540d ago

@Action

Pretty sure console players would install the same mods .... if they had the ability.
All online communities are toxic. Come back to reality, please.
Online hacking happens on all platforms. Come back to reality, please.

Do continue though.

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Action GO FIGURE2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

Thing is, console mods are very restricted so your argument is pretty moot.

No gaming community is more toxic than the PC crowd. Dota2, LoL, CSGO, Overwatch, Apex Legends etc to name a few are some of the top games on PC and there's bound to be flaming each game. Console, I can play a few games of Overwatch before I'm harassed by some pubescent child

And finally as for hacking on consoles. No, just no. Hacks on consoles are pretty much non-existent. Even if they do, they pale in comparison to the PC community. The Apex Legends banhammer that went around months ago proved that.

Here, have a bit of read.
https://forums.battlefield....
https://www.google.com/url?... https://amp.reddit.com/r/ap...

Why don't YOU go back to reality.

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GOULDYBOBS2540d ago

Imagine how much you would have spent to play online by then. You could buy your sister a wedding ring

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2pacalypsenow2540d ago

I hope not.

Keep the PlayStation brand strong.

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Lon3wolf2540d ago

Would it weaken if this game came to PC then? Has the other games that got ported on PC weakened the brand?

LoveSpuds2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

By keeping their biggest and best exclusives on PS4 only, Sony have ensured that the PS4 remains essential for those who want to experience some of the finest games ever made.

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Teutep2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

No, it certainly wouldn't. This page is just infested with people who have that "MUH EXCLUSIVITY" mentality that it actually kinda hurts my head. I have all the systems, so it doesn't hurt me per se, but much like how I got downvoted: "God forbid if I even as much as suggest it would be great that more people should be able to play same games." Exclusives apparently benefit the end user somehow, and not just the company. *shakes my head* Apparently lack of options is a good thing. These are probably the same people who think crossplatform play is a bad thing.

Sony is great as a publisher, and whilst part of the motivation surely comes from accelerating hardware sales of PS4's, there's literally no reason why they couldn't publish more of their games across other platforms. In fact, they already have published smaller games on PC, in addition to PlayStation Now being on PC.

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carcarias2539d ago

I've never seen pc as a direct competitor, nor Nintendo for the past few years actually.

I have a gaming pc and a PS4 Pro so it's not too big a deal but I'd just prefer games at 60fps is possible. If my Pro could do DS at that, then I wouldn't care what platform it's on.

The brand can be strong and still release for pc a year or so down the line, especially with the PS4 being near the end of its lifecycle. Yeah, PS5 backwards compatibility might effect that but still.

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SegaGamer2540d ago

The fact that people are getting so uptight about the mere mention of somebody questioning whether a game will get ported to pc is beyond pathetic. It doesn't harm you in any way so why do you care? It's such a weird thing to get annoyed about.

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franwex2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

Maybe. Some games have been ported after some time. It’s being developed for the PS4 in mind and I’m guessing it will play really well on PS4. If it comes later to other platforms I guess that’s cool. But by then the experience wouldn’t be as fresh.

Action GO FIGURE2540d ago

Name 1 game Guerilla Games released on PC since Sony bought them.

You can't.

People begging for this may as well beg for Horizon and Killzone.

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AK912540d ago

Possible but very unlikely.

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_LarZen_2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

With Microsoft branching out their exclusives to not only the Windows Store, but Steam as well. I wouldn’t be surprised if Death Stranding would find its way to PC.

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bujasem_892540d ago

I bet it will regardless of the decision.

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--bienio--2540d ago

Good, but what is about this game? Walking simulator?

greywolf392540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

I hope not. Kojima was best when he made exclusive. I think to leave him alone and let him focus as much as possible for a platform and game, to be the best it can be. Also the game uses Decima Engine which is made for Playstation.

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Platformgamer2540d ago

no, but kojima productions future games most likely

ILostMyMind2540d ago

I think the question here is profitability. Kojima has a new studio and needs to capitalize. Launching the game on various platforms would help and perhaps this was the initial agreement. But I think if the game sells very well on PS4 it will remain console exclusive. It's all about money.

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MasterCornholio2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

"But I think if the game sells very well on PS4 it will remain console exclusive. It's all about money."

What are the chances that it won't sell well? We saw how some exclusives sell on the PS4 so the chances of this game selling badly are quite low.

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ILostMyMind2540d ago

I agree.

BioShockGX2540d ago

It would be awesome if it got released exclusively on Epic store haha
I want to see some triggered people.

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zodiac9092540d ago

Journey is NOW releasing on PC 7 years later. If Sony is smart, and truly cares about "exclusivity", Death Stranding will follow the same procedure.

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Realms2540d ago

Some people are still waiting for Bloodborn on PC, 🤣🤣🤣. At the time Death Stranding was announced it could have very well been planned to be a PS4 & PC release but after Kojima used the Decima engine I highly doubt that the game will show up on PC. I wouldn't hold my breath expecting this game to be on PC just saying.

meep3162539d ago

Bloodborne needs a 60fps option, I don’t care if it’s on ps5 or pc.

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LordJamar2540d ago

Are Sony fanboys and Xbox haters gonna bash Sony for the same stuff they bashed Microsoft for? Or will they all be hypocrites? Find out next time on console wars Z!!

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QuickdrawMcgraw2540d ago

It sounds like some here are desperate this game not be a PS exclusive...Not because they are gamers and can't wait to play this game...But because they can't stand PS having yet another potential kick ass exclusive this year...It's about the hate....

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ShockUltraslash2540d ago

The mere idea of the game releasing on PC is sending Sony fans into suicide watch.

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Soybetaboy2540d ago

Nope, console 444 life

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Heavenly King2540d ago

The IP is a trademak of Sony Interactive Entertainment; so no. If the IP was of Kojima it could happen, but that is not the case.

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OpenGL2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

It's published by Sony, uses Decima, and Mark Cerny is a producer. I don't expect a PC release.

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ShadowWolf7122540d ago

Preview says it IS planned.

The article says it's probably gonna be a thing but we have no details.

lol

sprinterboy2540d ago

A year or 2 after ps4 release yes

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Miacosa2540d ago

Not in the near future as Sony paid for its publishing specifically on Playstation.

ocelot072540d ago

In a couple of years most likely. I do seem to remember it being announced for PC a few years ago before it even had a name or even before they settled on the engine. Then no talk of a PC version after they decided on a engine.

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Hedstrom2540d ago

What speaks against it is the engine.

Chumdiddy2540d ago

JFC this again

If Sony allows/allowed it. That's it. There is no debate.
Sony owns Guerilla Games.
Guerilla Games owns Decima Engine.
DS is built using Decima Engine.

Could Kojima have made this a condition for working with Sony? Sure. It's not an impossibility. Is it likely that Sony would let a flagship title be on any other playform, even in a "timed exclusive" sense? Unlikely.

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Butters3602539d ago

*THANK YOU GIF.*

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Thundercat772540d ago

I doubt it will be available on PC and if there is any chance, it will be like 2 years later.

Playstation has the best exclusives, if you don't have a PS4 at this stage, it is your problem. Keep begging just like you begged for Bloodborne to be on PC.

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SaveFerris2540d ago (Edited 2540d ago )

I think it will end up on PC within 12 months of the PS4 release.

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343_Guilty_Spark2539d ago

Microsoft Windows PCs will be blessed with this walking sim!

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galmi2539d ago

LOL, SEE FANBOYS SERIOUSLY HOPING ITS A PS EXCLUSIVE, MAKES ME WONDER IF GOD OF WAR WAS ALSO ON PC WOULD IT STILL BE A GOOD GAME? HMMM...

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NiteX2539d ago

It would. God of War was excellent.

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Destiny10802539d ago

They haven't even got red dead redemption 2 yet and here they are begging for playstation exclusives

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Tzuno2539d ago

It's normal to return home after all :)

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carcarias2539d ago

I fully expect it to come to PC based on previous Kojima quotes but, assuming it reviews well, I'll get it on PS4 since I don't wanna wait for it.

Yeah, I would prefer to play at 60fps but if it's a really groundbreaking title, I want it at launch.

bluebenjamin2539d ago

I would buy this on PC or PS5 just not ps4

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carcarias2539d ago

You want that lovely 60fps, am I right?

bluebenjamin2539d ago

You know it 👌

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Al_Simmons2539d ago

Not sure

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neomahi2539d ago

Guess Microsoft needs to find a way to Stream Sonys games on their Xbox hardware using Windows to take even Sonys first-party games away from them and you won't need Sony hardware if that's the way Sony wants to start going. Long time Sony fans and advocates Quantic Dream that always wished to be bought out by Sony just released 3, count them, all three PlayStation exclusives on PC. Microsoft has Play Anywhere, guess they need to find a loophole, with their own software that's Play PlayStation anywhere.

Let that happen Sony, and Microsoft will exploit it and you could end up in SEGAs boat selling zero hardware and pretty much be a software company and then, Microsoft wins competing only with Nintendo, where: "Hey plumber boy, mustache man, your worst nightmare has arrived!" Oh..... Crash IS on a Nintendo console, all three of Naughty Dogs own babies are on there, that doesn't make Sony look to strong.

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Butters3602539d ago

Why do people even entertain this line of thought. Sony owns EVERYTHING but the Studio. The IP, and the DECIMA Engine.

NiteX2539d ago

Very likely.

Father__Merrin2539d ago

PC gamers always hungry for the best games, hmm humble bundle indiegala & fanatical not doing it anymore?

TheHateTheyGive2539d ago

Pc players want the best, i dont knock them, playstation s the home of all the best blockbuster exclusives that can only be played on playstation. Pc and xboxone players would give their 1st born to play the epic mlb 19 the show. gow, HzD. i can list for hours.

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carcarias2539d ago

Well, yes and no.

If someone can afford a good gaming pc, they can afford a console.

I have a PS4 Pro and nin Switch but when it comes to what could be a masterpiece from Kojima, I'd rather have it on a platform that can support 60fps.

The idea that an avid gamer would spend 1000-2000 on a pc but then sit jealously looking at a consoles exclusives is.....well, I'm sure you can guess. It's something along the lines of believing in the tooth fairy :)

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starchild2539d ago

Nah, I couldn't care less about mlb 19. And I already have a PS4 to play any other Sony exclusives that interest me. But I would prefer to play them on my PC so I can use my Gsync monitor and get smooth, high framerates, higher resolutions, better visuals overall and mods. Surely you can understand that.

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Heavenly King2539d ago

Sony owns the IP, so no.

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Silly gameAr2539d ago

If it comes out on PC, I don't see how that will be a bad thing honestly.

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sampsonon2539d ago

JUST BUY A BLOODY PS4 lol.

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