Such a mature and well articulated response. Look at the big boy throwing around his big boy words.

There are plenty of games, good games even, that go on and on, outstaying their welcome. Only 6 hours long? Good! I already have umpteen campaign grinders under my belt. Don’t need to pop 100hrs every time.

Persona 5: had to play through every damn day of the calendar year while still being limited to one or two activities. 150hrs. RDR2 took me 3 months to cross the finish line. Every Yakuza takes at least 50 hours from me for substory completionist. Times that by 7. Currently on DG and my platinum run has me north of 60 already. MGSV, HZD, AC, Nioh, Nier, ROTR Anniversary, GOW. Beat em all. Many over 100hrs in. Some over 150.

Sometimes I want/need something quick fast and fun like a John Wick, that I can demolish without needing a haircut and toenail trim by the time I’m done, LOL!

Shallow? The fight against the wolf thing was, the shoot outs were not shallow.

And to be fair it was slightly less long as other games in its genre. Especially in their first iteration.

Everything else was top notch. Music, atmosphere, graphics, setting, lore, shooting mechanics.

There was something unremarkable about the end product i guess, but it was a good game overall.

@S2Killinit

Tell me about the lore then. What's the history of The Order's world since King Arthur went missing? Why do the Vampires and Werewolves have an alliance? Are there any monsters besides the two most popular and overused ones in folklore? Also the ending is terrible and it tries to make out that Galahad cares about The Order and was willing to appear to be the traitor to keep it's existence and honor intact, and he's convinced to do this BY THE PERSON WHO CAUSED IT ALL.

I've argued with Sampsonon on this and he chose not to respond so he obviously really enjoyed this game but doesn't have any real defense of it other than, as we just saw, name calling. It's okay to like the game but lets not pretend it's anything more than what it is which is a stunning visual display with a shallow plot, underused setting, average TPS mechanics and generally speaking lacking in content.

I've even said I want RAD to be given a second chance and be allowed to reboot the entire series and start with the formation of The Order because it has potential but it's first showing was completely average.

i'm with you sampsonon - with the vampire/werewolf war looming - i want the next chapter of the game. i liked the order. my big gripe was there wasn't enough exploration/secrets in that beautiful world.