@Abrial

She’s not really talking directly into a camera though, I mean the majority of the video she’s looking at the screen.

Knowing that MS probably won’t f this up since it’s just streaming a game, but this demonstration looks hella fake

At the same time the gameplay looks bad enough that it could be her

With over 100ms of input lag. I will stick to my traditional local box.

And lol have you not see non-gamers play games. That’s what they do is tap buttons.

Because this is fake as all hell. Just look how many times she taps left on steering, and the car doesn't do anything at all. Never once shows her applying the breaks, and yet, outside of constantly driving off the right side of the road, barely ever turns right on the controller, and when she does push left or right, the car never reacts like you'd see in the game itself. There are times where she will push hard to the left, and the car just makes a slight few degree change in direction. Anyone that's played these games knows that doing this on a straight road, knows it will cause the car to go out of control.

If anyone has ever played a racing game, the cars don't just coast at high speeds indefinitely. Tapping the accelerator does not cause the car to drive at a relatively even rate, and the cars in the game react like normal cars when you do the same thing, and do that things where the front raises up when you accelerate, and goes down when you remove the force causing acceleration. Even crappy driving games get that basic principal of physics and inertia right nowadays, and Forza isn't a crappy driving game. To drive at a relatively even rate, you vary the accelerator gradually, or just coast, not constantly press and release it. Pressing the accelerator during when you have the wheel turned, or pressing it over and over again like that, would again, cause the car to spin wildly out of control. Go try it in the game, or real life if you're so bold and on an empty road, and it's pretty obvious.

Oh, and then there is that matter of you can't just display graphics that crisp from another device using another camera. Even in the digital age, the "Images are all simulated" is still a thing, and the quality of the image alone makes this obvious. It could be added in off her actual game play, but it's obviously not her playing the game, because her drive was too smooth for someone who apparently doesn't play many driving games, and generally wasn't paying that much attention to what she was doing.

My daughter plays racing games the same way. Tapping the trigger and you can see the accelerator gauge reacting to the presses.

Does not look fake, she just sucks at forza.

@rainslacker. its either fake or the game has a mind of its own. OR the latency is so bad like a full second and a half. but i doubt it.

@darth. cmon man it looks like a horrible attempt to mimic whats going on on screen, she puts hard long inputs in with no response from the game. we've all seen this before we werent born yesterday...

custom gears lol

@rain

Based on that comment, it sounds like you haven't played the game before. It's controlling like Horizon, which is what makes it frustrating and an awful game to use to determine latency.

Tapping the sticks is only going to result in small wheel movements, which won't immediately result in sharp corrections or spinning out. What game have you been playing?

Tapping the accelerator will also result in maintaining a moderate speed. You can see it reacting accordingly, but because of its control, you can't really see latency.

It's got analog acceleration, so I don't get why she's not just lightly applying the gas. Maybe she's bad or nervous, or maybe she's faking it very well.

If it's going to be at GDC, then we'll hopefully get hands on reports soon. I'm concerned with latency in more action-oriented games.

I don't think the demo is fake. But for sure the hate is real.

I have played FH, and steady pressing at various pressures is how it's played. If you can tap it like that, and it does play like it's shown on the screen then I wasn't aware of that, because I never once even attempted to try that. I'd have the accelerator pretty much down the whole time on the relatively straight road she was on, and then let up on the accelerator to either slow down to coast, before accelerating out of the turn, or apply the brake to slow down if need be. She did none of this, and if what you say is true, then where is all this talk about how accurate the driving physics are, because in no way is that how a real car behaves.

And a bunch of quick jerks on the steering wheel does slight turning? Really? I jerk the wheel like that and my car loosing control. That has been how most driving games have been since the PS1 days.

Analog acceleration, braking, and steering all mean that you can have various levels of pressure on those components to mimic real life. That's how the game is set up. Just like when you're driving a real car, if you want to coast at a certain speed, you keep the pedal at a relatively stationary position within it's travel length, and pressing all the way down is opening the throttle all the way. With steering, jerking the wheel repeatedly to one side causes the car to jerk to the side, and that's my experience with Forza, and every other racing game of recent times. Just like in a real car, steady softer steering gives a better response, and half the time she pressed the analog, nothing happened on screen. Lag doesn't account for all of it, unless we're talking several seconds of lag.

When I get home tonight, and time permitting, I'll try to play the game the way she does and see if I get similar results. But I'm still thinking this is a staged video, and MS has already had a few staged videos this gen, so I don't know why anyone would give them the benefit of the doubt.

There are other things in the video which show it as fake, but if you guys want to talk up streaming based on this video be my guest. This looked more like a TV show where you have people trying to mimic playing a game, which is fine for those who don't play games, but when we as gamers watch it, we're like, "Yeah, OK, who plays games like that?".

But here is the thing rain... the driving being shown was not 'for show' quality driving. It was crappy driving hence it was very real since the person playing does not know how to play the game.

Generally a "staged" demo is scripted and somewhat precise. This was none of that. She really does suck at this game and her button presses were accurate.

Lol, come on, rain.They're not jerks, she's just flicking the sticks, which is typical. You're the one talking authoritatively about it to downplay whether it works. Of course it's going to work, but the question is how well it does it.

Maybe it's fake, but I was literary playing last night and most of what you wrote is wrong.

Well once this gets figured out, no one will ever actually be "working" at work ever again, LOL

She's obviously driving very slow in the game... Tapping the accelerator because she's obviously not a game, so keep the speeds slow.

@rain

Never really played forza, but I imagine they turned on all driving aids for her, which might counter one or two of your 400 theories

Because i dont think she was playing and if she really was there was major input lag.

She's flicking the stick repeatedly to the left. All the way most of the time. All while also repeatedly pressing the accelerator. What game are you playing where performing such an action doesn't cause your car to go out of control at high speeds? That is how cars lose control out of turns, because you press the accelerator at the wrong time, and jerk the wheel to one side or the other. It's not how you drive at high speeds, and at no time in FH were the physics so bad that such actions would result in barely moving in the direction of the steering, or never losing control of the car.

I see people say how good the driving physics are in this game, and I agree with them, but the game responds like you'd expect from the controls, which is when you jerk the wheel like she is, because she certainly isn't doing smooth adjustments to the wheel, and you press the accelerator while doing so, the car loses control. The amount she's pressing to the left also would cause the car to move more than one or two degree in that direction, or in some cases not show any reaction at all, because again, it's not a smooth move to the left, but an actual sharp turn of the wheel the way she's doing it. In FH, and other racing games, that's akin to jerking the steering wheel suddenly.

You guys keep asking what game I'm playing, I'm wondering why you're trying to say this game plays in no way like it does, because what we see here is no way indicative of a realistic racing sim of modern times. Hell, they haven't been like that since the advent of analog controllers.

I don't play the game like this. I use various pressures on the bumpers to control my speed. I use brakes when necessary. I use smooth movements of the wheel for the movements she's attempting. If you can indeed use the techniques here, then this must be a pretty casual game to play for a lot of people, and I'm surprised that so many of you would claim to play it this way, or that's how you do it, because most of you act say you're pretty hardcore and demand lots of realism from your racing games, but if you can do this, then it's not realism.

@Andi

Maybe that's the case. I hadn't considered that. But it would mean that several rather stalwart fans of Forza here who often claim how realistic it is, also use those same aids. Been a while since I looked at those, but aren't they only ABS and TCS? Maybe manual shifting with a clutch, but can't remember if that's a thing in the game. I can't see how that would affect the acceleration, but maybe it could prevent losing control, although neither of those settings should really be represented in what she was doing here.

@rainslacker
Agreed I actually own this game on PC and while I use the Xbox 360 gamepad to play I can't imagine the Xbox One pad being so insensitive to touch. Small but jarring manipulation of the left stick would surely cause her to move considerably in the chosen direction. Yet she stays straight... there was a point where it looks like she was going down the same exact bit of road at the halfway through the video. She was periodically tapping the acceleration... But the car was ALMOST constantly accelerating!
Again unless there are some odd accessibility options exclusive to the Xbox One version over PC or the Xbox One gamepad is garbage or both then this looks really fake to me.

No it isn't and you can see when she uses the joystick nothing happens. If it is actually playing on the phone then the latency is awful and PSNow is much better.

All I see is the normal PS4 guys down voting this as much as possible... It's a cool feature no matter what your preferred console is.

What a latency. Especially a 0:17 sec.

Alright, calm down! It's just the Internet

First time?

I know, N4G is known to be a PS centric fanboy site, it's ridiculous. Instead of constantly downplaying Xbox in whatever they do, maybe just be happy for the other. Competition is a good thing to have.

@nooderus I honetly think there's nothing wrong with bias, but it really does seem that critical thinking goes out the window because of it, that part I just don't understand. Wouldn't people want the company/product or what have you to do the best they can instead of accepting everything they shovel towards you because you like them?

Every site is playstation biased, because every one likes playstation and xbox is dead, what do you expect. That's like saying "this food site has a biased towards good food but everyone hates eating poo, it's so unfair to poo eaters"

Well if you were on this site like 15 years ago you would know, that it was 99% Xbox fans and if you were Sony fans you had to fight tooth and nail to just say a game was good.

Second people like PS now days because it is by far the better platform.

Only seems that way ("PS fanatism") because Sony is currently on top. Naturally there will be more positive articles and comments about the front runner.