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BioWare: Anthem Will Not Run at 1080p/60 FPS on PS4 Pro & Xbox One X

Gamble was specifically questioned about the performance of Anthem on PlayStation 4 Pro and Xbox One X. The producer was clear and stated that the game will not run at 1080p and 60 fps, as they have given priority to the visual aspect of the title.

Jin_Sakai2553d ago (Edited 2553d ago )

Disappointing to hear. Guess I’ll wait for the PS5 version.

Purrfection2553d ago

Games play better in 30 FPS. I find 60 FPS too real. It's like watching The Hobbit at 48 FPS in the theater. Sony knows this that's why so many of their games are 30 FPS because it feels more natural.

Jin_Sakai2553d ago (Edited 2553d ago )

“Games play better in 30 FPS. I find 60 FPS too real.”

Games do not play better at 30fps. Not only is the gameplay smoother the controller input is twice as responsive.

“Sony knows this that's why so many of their games are 30 FPS because it feels more natural.”

A quote from Naughty Dog:

Playing The Last of Us at 30fps feels 'broken' after trying PS4 remaster, says Naughty Dog

Neonridr2553d ago

no, just no. Games are smoother, appear more fluid and perform better at higher framerates.

gamer78042553d ago

I'd say sometimes I enjoy 60fps and sometimes I enjoy 30fps better. if its more of a story based game I like having the 30fps, if its an competitive, racing, or heavy action title I like 60 better. Either way I like prioritizing visuals over 60fps if necessary.

rainslacker2553d ago

I dunno about better. I personally have no problem with either 30 or 60 though. Maintaining a steady frame rate is more appealing to me, as dips can cause noticeable differences, even if it dips from 60 but stays above 30.

@Jin

The quote from ND is irrelevant, as the issue is completely subjective. Some people swear by 60fps, and say everything else is unacceptable. Others, like Purr here feel 30 is better....assuming he's not lying. I'm indifferent so long as the frame rate is smooth.

In the grand scheme of things, if the frame rate is smooth, most customers actually prefer better visuals.

But, nowadays, allowing the option for the player to choose is the best way to go.

OpenGL2553d ago

Lol, 60 fps is objectively better for games. There's less input lag, smoother motion, and more visual information being displayed each second.

S2Killinit2553d ago (Edited 2553d ago )

Nice troll. Or is it Purrrrfect troll? Guys this guy thinks he is really smart, but i think he is wasting his life.

Hey purrrfect, did you know the industry standard in movies is 24fps? The Hobbit was filmed at 48fps. Which is double the frames per second. So, yeah, suck it.

TheFirstClassic2553d ago

I just died a little from reading that comment

S2Killinit2553d ago (Edited 2553d ago )

He is a stealth troll, his goal is to piss people off to make PlayStation look bad by pretending to be a arrogant/annoying Playstation fan. He either insults xbox owners, or says something that seems to be in favor of PlayStation but its really not (see example above). Its very disturbing behavior actually.

TheVigilanteCode2553d ago

"Games play better in 30 FPS. I find 60 FPS too real."

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Kryptix2553d ago

"I find 60 FPS too real."

LOL Aside from better response rate, wouldn't too real mean more immersive? Isn't one of the great points of gaming is to immerse yourself in new worlds and have fun so you won't think of the stresses of the real world?

Either someone brainwashed you to think 30fps is better than 60fps or you have rarely played games in 60fps or more.

After gaming on PC at consistent 60fps or more, I have never turned back to 30fps and when I see 30fps, it's truly bothersome to the eyes. 60fps should be the standard and hopefully with the Ryzen chips, we'll finally get to see it on consoles much more often soon.

carcarias2553d ago

Not to nitpick but how can something be 'too real' and yet less 'natural'. Unless by 'natural' you mean 'what people are used to in visual media', maybe?

It's pretty subjective but I've never met anyone in person who prefers 30fps in games, I've only read it online and then it gets downvoted to buggery. I think most people prefer 60 in games and 24 (or whatever) in movies. Also, if it was an objective fact that games are better in 30 then why would developers ever even mention 60?

The simple fact is that most game makers, Sony included, rarely make their games in 30fps as such. Rather, they prioritise graphics to the point they can't achieve more than 30fps, which is the absolute minimum before a game starts to increasingly feel too crap/broken to play. It's an important distinction. For example, if some new magical algorithm was discovered in time to be patched in for Anthem's release day, one that allowed allowed 60fps, they'd use it in a heart beat.

The only time I've really seen developers sticking to 30fps when they could comfortably run 60 is in cut-scenes, because it feels closer to a movie.

60fps is so smooth, so responsive, games just feel so much better to me and, judging by these comments, most others. Funny thing is, being a pc gamer, I'm surrounded by people telling me to invest in a machine that's capable of 120fps since they feel that it improves game even more. 120fps is cool actually, but it's not such a big difference to me as when I went from 30-60 so I'm not that fussed.

I think it's one of those things, once you experience 60fps it really makes you wince once you have to go back to 30. For example, I enjoyed the gameplay in Resident Evil 4 PC and The Last of Us Remastered more than the originals thanks to the 60fps.

BlaqMagiq12553d ago

Anyone that believes games play better in 30fps is an idiot. Too real? That literally makes no sense.

Hedstrom2553d ago

Sorry Purrfection, but thats just not true! You could say that 30fps doesnt really bother you, but 30fps being better than 60fps in a video game is just false!

TK-552552d ago

People haven't caught on yet lol.

Marioraider182552d ago

You deserve to get your account deleted

Pantz2552d ago

congrats on 100 downvotes bro

Casepb2552d ago

You poor sad little man.

Wha_gwaan2552d ago

You obviously don't know a damn thing what you're talking about

Italiano12345672552d ago

Ask guys that play Destiny on Pc how much better 60fps is. Its night and day especially in a shooter.

shadowraiden2552d ago

has to be the dumbest thing ive ever heard or read. no sony dont think 30 fps is better they just know they can get away with being lazy with the hardware and their fan base will still buy overpriced shit. a $400 custom built PC runs games better than a ps4 pro and can do 1000x more and thats with people paying overinflated consumer prices on RAM and GPU's at the moment

PlayableGamez-2552d ago

Never heard this one before...

The_Sage2552d ago

I agree, Purr. At 60 fps the games loose something and look more fake. I have The Last of Us remastered, and I thought it looked worse than the PS3 version until I realized it was running at 60fps. Thank God you can switch it to 30.

mandingo2552d ago

No no no. So much judder in 30fps it’s horrible

starchild2552d ago

Haha good one.

But seriously, 60fps is better in every kind of game. There's not a single kind of game that I would rather play at 30fps instead of 60fps.

60fps, or higher, gives you more temporal resolution so things remain more detailed and clear in motion. It also just feels so much better and more responsive since latency is cut in half.

ButchKween2552d ago

Boy u smoking some crazy weed

esemce2552d ago (Edited 2552d ago )

Yes the Hobbit running at 48fps ruined it's cinematic feel but games and movies cannot be compared. With games framerate is king especially if it's an online shooter as it normally means less input lag.

vTuro242552d ago

"Games play better in 30 FPS. I find 60 FPS too real."

I literally logged in just to downvote you. This is somehow even worse than "30 fps feels more cinematic".

bluefox7552552d ago (Edited 2552d ago )

Have to be trolling, lol. There is zero circumstances where 30fps is better as good as 60, in any way. Not only does it look and play better, it also reduces input lag, improving your actual gameplay.

Artemidorus2552d ago

Games do not play better in 30fps.

pietro12122552d ago

Shooters, fighters. action and racers definitely play better in 60 fps.

MWH2552d ago

your eyes must be like your spelling.

I_am_Batman2552d ago

-60fps is too real.
-30fps feels more natural.

What?

BenRC012552d ago

You are wrong, it's not an opinion, you are just wrong.

georeo2552d ago

Man, where did you hear that from? You got inside detail from Sony about 30fps? Lol

JustInTlME2552d ago

This is one of the worst examples I have ever heard Purr. The Hobbit looked terrible at 48FPS because movies have been shot at 24 fps for AGES. Games have been running at 60FPS for over 25 years. You will always control better when playing at 60 or above because you are experiencing less delay and input lag. I am not a PC master race person, but I have a PC now, and if I decide to play Anthem there is no chance I play on a console.

Sony has a lot of their games at 30 because they aren't capable of anything else. Also, some games are fine at 30 FPS because they are "cinematic experiences" gameplay, gunplay aren't the primary features. A game like this though, where movement and shooting will be HUGE, needs a minimum of 60.

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SlagWolf2551d ago

@Purrfection My brain just hurt with what you just said...

ramiuk12551d ago

WTF? you for real dude??
go and play last of us on ps4 in 30fps and then60 fps and tell me that same line.
60 vs 30 is a huge differnce for response and fluidity

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Lennoxb632553d ago

60 fps hasn't been the standard for games since the 90s for anything other competitive/fast games so I'm confused as to why people are still surprised.

FlyingFoxy2552d ago

Are you serious? Play a shooter on PC with a high refresh rate monitor and you'd never say that, 90-100fps is quite a lot smoother than 60fps.. And you don't need to be a competitive gamer to see and feel the extra smoothness.

NarooN2552d ago

I'd much rather play a shooting, action, or racing game at 60+ fps than 30 any day of the week. One caveat about high refresh rate is that I need the framerate to be locked and consistent, if it's constantly jumping around that can very negatively affect the gameplay responsiveness, especially in a competitive shooter. But once you experience those higher framerates you pretty much can't ever go back lol

Imalwaysright2552d ago

On consoles. It hasn't been the standard on consoles.

Lennoxb632552d ago

@imalwaysright

That much is implied. This article is only talking about the console versions.

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Livingthedream2553d ago

4k 30 fps with better visuals is a deal breaker for you?

NarutoFox2553d ago

This really makes the One X look bad

on_line_forever2553d ago

I don't care because I will not buy anything from greedy EA

badz1492552d ago

2 thumbs UP for this comment

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ZaWarudo2553d ago

Really hope 60fps is standard for next-gen.

NovusTerminus2553d ago

If the devs are working on Ray Tracing like the Gran Turismo team is claiming, then I don't see 60fps being achieved with Ray Tracing.

badz1492552d ago

WTF are you on about? Gran Turismo? that game aims for 60fps

Unarmed_Civilian2552d ago

GT games are always 60 fps becose you need high fps to calculate the physics accurately....

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Lennoxb632553d ago

60 fps will never be the standard for games on console other than competitive or fast games. Graphics sell games not frames so that will continue to be the priority.

OpenGL2553d ago

I agree, developers could make most games 60fps this gen if they wanted to by sacrificing visual quality, world complexity, etc.

SegaGamer2553d ago

A lot of console gamers just don't get it. I keep seeing them ask for 60fps to be the standard next gen, but they don't actually seem to realise just how powerful the hardware will need to be to sustain it in EVERY game throughout the WHOLE generation.

I have said it tons of times on here now, if you want 60fps throughout the whole generation, then you are going to need a brilliant CPU and GPU, and neither of these things will be cheap, especially if the target is 60fps at 4k! Even the most high end pc's struggle to sustain 60fps at 4k in a lot of the biggest games.

If people expect this to be the standard next gen then they are living in a fantasy world. The only way this will happen is if the console's start costing double the amount they cost now, or if they lower the graphics quality by a massive amount. Are console gamers really happy to give up shadows, anti-aliasing, textures and everything else for 60fps? I don't think so.

A lot of gamers who keep asking for this need to face reality. You're not getting 60fps in every console game, especially the big AAA games, it's just not realistic.

shadowraiden2552d ago

@segagamer that isnt true at all. a $600 gaming PC can do 1080/60 fps on 90% of games and look better than the console version.

evilstuie2552d ago

I remember when gameplay used to sell games. Your statement is as forward thinking as Bill Gates statement that you'll never need more than 64K of RAM.

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andibandit2552d ago

I dont know about "never"

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Marioraider182552d ago

@Brett

What are you smoking?

UncertainCategory2552d ago (Edited 2552d ago )

He’s right you know. 1920x1080 is 2k.

The k is a measurement of horizontal resolution, 1920 rounds up to 2000.

So 2k is 1080p. I always crack up when someone asks for ‘2k’ glad someone called you out.

specialguest2552d ago

Nope. Console games will never have 60fps as standard. Back when I was more active on N4G 5 years ago, console fanboys here said they didn't care for 60fps, because their favorite 30fps exclusives proved it wasn't needed. Well well! How things have changed now lol!

Livingthedream2552d ago

If folks want their exclusives to continue to look like Last of us 2, horizon etc, then no it wont be an option. And if we're being honest visuals are a huge selling point when it comes to games. I remember picking up Horizon just because of the 4k hdr visuals, lol. The game disappointed me but if it wasn't for the graphics I wouldn't have picked it up.

starchild2552d ago

That's very true. Before the current generation started I kept seeing people claim that every game was going to be 1080p and 60fps. And I argued that that was almost certainly not going to be the case. I said that most AAA games with high end visuals would run at 30fps and that some games would even run at below 1080p resolution. Both things turned out to be true.

Now a lot of people are doing it again. Claiming every game will be 4k/60fps.

It's like people forget that graphics and overall complexity make a significant leap between generations. We're not talking about merely running today's games at higher framerates and resolutions.

Rachel_Alucard2552d ago

@livingthedream
Visual fidelity and frame rate are not mutually exclusive. On PC you can play games that reach the same visiual fidelity as Horizon and Last of us and still have 60fps. This is a case of consoles not having enough power to simultaneously do both. Also once 144 fps becomes a more standard occurrence, 60fps will be the new 30fps.

esemce2552d ago

Sadly as they always focus on the pretties it will probably be 4k/30 but every next gen game should give us an option to switch between high res or high framerate.

zahdab2552d ago (Edited 2552d ago )

It's never going to be a standard as long as they want to implement the latest and greatest effects there has to be sacrifices ... some games will achieve it with lower fidelity graphics and others will prioritize looking pixel perfect to frame rate.

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masterfox2553d ago (Edited 2553d ago )

After seeing the downgrade the game already received I don't see any reason why wouldn't this game can run at full hd at 60 fps, seriously the game looks very average and the characters can't find them any originality, this smells like very bad/un-optimized coding.

Baza2552d ago

Even the mighty XboxOneX can’t run this 1080p60fps.. weak.

thexmanone2552d ago

I wonder what you think of the PS4 Pro?

alb18992552d ago

To read this on 2019 makes me think that some people just have no purpose in live.

DerekTweed2551d ago

That's not what they said, they are focusing on 4k/30fps for launch.

He said they can still work on 1080p/60fps for an update after launch, for both.

The point that stood out for me is that the PS4 pro will run at 4k.

starchild2552d ago

The game looks amazing, you're on crack.

LOGICWINS2553d ago

If I want high-end gaming, I play on a high-end PC. These consoles aren't built for those types of experiences. I don't care about 1080p/60 FPS when I'm grinding in Octopath Traveler.

kevnb2553d ago (Edited 2553d ago )

That’s a bit of a straw man, 60 FPS would be great for a game like anthem. Next gen we should get 60 FPS in pretty much every game I hope. On pc I’m already playing most games at 100+ FPS.

Nitrowolf22553d ago (Edited 2553d ago )

Octopath is a horrible example imo, it’s 2.5D turnpase RPG compared to a full blown 3D third person shooter. Gameplay gonna be vastly different, and the former can do with lower FPS without it really having any big effect. Also in this case, Octopath would more so gain from higher resolution rather than FPS

badz1492552d ago

@LOGICWINS

So..I guess you missed the whole "Project Scorpio, it's a BEAST!" chanting from back then, ha?

shiva12552d ago

Now where does this leave base consoles? Would the game even play?

badz1492552d ago

@shiva1

the game would play just fine at 30fps with lowered resolutions.

due to the taxing nature of 60fps, a lot of sacrifice to the image quality has to be made which is why I understand why Bioware is doing this. I'm not in support of this per say, but just watch DF analysis on the recently released Ace Combat 7 and you'll see how far they have to go down for that elusive 60fps. the original xbone and S are rendering the game at freakin 720p and still unable to achieve 60fps while the base PS4 renders the game at something like 972p or something yet still drops frames.

the CPU is becoming a real bottleneck with these consoles and I think we will see less 60fps games aside from the usuals sports and CoD games from now on until next gen.

kevnb2553d ago

CPUs are too weak for 60 FPS in this sort of game. Next gen should rectify this.

jznrpg2552d ago

Not necessarily. If they improve physics and AI and add more detail to the worlds while aiming for 4k it may eat up all of those resources gained. I am sure some games will have it but I doubt it will be standard without the machines costing well above 499$

kevnb2552d ago (Edited 2552d ago )

I dont think so judging by leaked specs, these current cpus are extremely weak but have a lot of cores. You can actually get 60 fps out of them now, but it takes more time/money than publishers want to spend.

Guyfamily9992552d ago

It's the same deal with Destiny 2. There was a big hullabaloo about it not supporting 60fps on the mid gen systems but these systems only had 30 percent cpu bumps. Even in the Xbox One X, which really is an impressive system overall... The CPU is TRASHHHH.

It's likely that even with low graphics at 1080p the X wouldn't be able to hold a consistent 60 in this game becuase the CPU is a bottleneck.

Next gen will be bringing Zen and we'll be seeing 50 percent single core uptick minimum (maybe around 70 tbh), and even more on the multicore. Since games will be cross gen for a while, I really hope that CPU power goes towards allowing higher framerates. I would take 1440p60fps over 4K30fps ANY day... Heck, even 4K checkerboard 60fps takes similar (a little more) gpu power to 4K 30fps.

Lennoxb632552d ago

"I dont think so judging by leaked specs"

That doesn't mean devs will prioritize frame. And judging by the last 3 generations, they won't. Not unless people are willing to buy $600-$700 machines.

kevnb2552d ago (Edited 2552d ago )

when you consider the jaguar cpus are barely even an upgrade from last gen, and actually considered slower than the cell according to ubisoft... you really need to understand the specs to have this argument.

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elJoker51d 8h ago

EA/Bioware should allow us to host our own servers to let this game live on.

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I'd be fine just playing it as a localhost and dumb as rocks AI bots. Just give me the choice.

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DivineHand12513d ago

In my opinion, Anthem was a good IP that was worthy of a no man's sky or cyberpunk 2077 treatment.

To this day, their sub reddit is active and I was able to get into a game quickly a few weeks ago when I booted it up.

It is a shame EA and Bioware didn't want to give the game the overhaul it needed to turn it into a competent looter shooter.

GamerRN13d ago

They were close to releasing the overhauled version and then EA cancelled it

TheGamersDojo11d ago

I wholeheartedly agree. If ANY game deserved to get the rework/relaunch it deserved it was this one. More than literally any other. Even over FFXIV, No Mans Sky etc.

SlothLordPootus13d ago

I just finished this up a couple days ago. Although it's a bit repetitive and the story is meh, the game feels great to play. Even if you can only hop on the game for a couple hours before it shuts down, I think it's worth it.

chicken_in_the_corn13d ago

Really enjoyed this. Shame to see it go.

Software_Lover13d ago

I didnt know servers were still up. I could have been playing!!!

victorMaje13d ago

2nd comment attempt (1st doesn’t appear & this may register as duplicate):

They can spend billions to buy or get bought but they can’t spend a fraction of that to fix or overhaul a game that could have been truly special, smh.

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