What Sony does is not related to Microsoft.

It’s not as easy as you think it is. That would mean every game should be able to be played on PC since it’s stronger, that’s not the case. They have to make adjustments in order to make that work on PS5.

@RangerWalk267

"I think with Phil Spencer as the lead at Xbox, there will never be another generation that the PlayStation will be more powerful than the Xbox. Microsoft wallet and resources are too large to make that mistake again. "

That would assume MS knows what hardware Sony is going to implement. This isn't something they can change overnight once they find out the PS5 specs. So seems like a pipedream to think Xbox will always be more powerful than PS.

@ABizzel1

"The only remote change I see coming from either of them is one possibly going Intel and NVIDIA, but that's extremely unlikely, and of the two only MS would be willing to risk the change, because they can keep their BC completely software based for the 360 and prior, and work on making XBO BC before launch."

Wait! Are you expecting PS5´s BC to be hardware based?

"Of the two Xbox will be the more likely candidate in order to avoid another repeat of launching at the same time, but getting the short end of the stick when it comes to GPU performance, because waiting a year would be a death sentence for their marketshare."

Microsoft managed to wait a year to release the Xbox One X when the PS4 Pro and Switch was out. Can´t really see why Microsoft would lose market share waiting a year or so after the PS5.

@ProkChop
These consoles are aiming for mid-range GPUs, so no NVIDIA will not be significantly more expensive.

As for Intel, it's the same story. Ryzen is only much cheaper when it comes to Threadripper vs. Xenon. The 2700x series is competing with the i7 8700k (which is the same price) and the i7 9700k (which cost about $60 more), and both of those CPUs are better than the Ryzen when it comes to what matters most in gaming single-core performance at a quad-core level. In applications that need multiple cores / threads, then 8C/16T Ryzen would win (with the 6C/12T 8700k close behind), but consoles don't focus on those type of workstation applications; therefore, single core and higher clock speeds matter most and those Intel CPUs win there.

But again they're not using high-end CPUS either, so this will at BEST be a battle between a lower clock modified Ryzen 5 and an Intel 5 (2600 6C/12T vs 8600 6C/6T), which again for gaming and everyday use the Intel would win, whereas the Ryzen would win for workstation purposes.

The APU route is most likely going to stick for both consoles, so I'm definitely not saying this is going happen. But if 1 of them decided to switch things up it would be MS and this would be the route they'd most likely have to take.

@Obscure_Observer

- "Wait! Are you expecting PS5´s BC to be hardware based? "

It will be if it uses the same architecture. Look up the difference of software vs hardware. It won't be emulation for future generations on the same x86 architecture. But, it may require a few tweaks. Of course, I'm talking about PS4 emulation only.

- "Microsoft managed to wait a year to release the Xbox One X when the PS4 Pro and Switch was out."

Yes, but they released a much different SKU, responded to Sony's PS4 Pro announcement, and have more reason to upgrade the base model than the PS4 since the XB1 base model is much weaker, and there is much more reason for original owners to upgrade now that their hardware team makes a great and much smaller design. I think the PS4 Pro was also kind of rushed anyways. Not that it had issues. I was just hoping for more changes, but it's mainly just slapping the extra GPU in to the system.

@ABizzel1

"single core and higher clock speeds matter most and those Intel CPUs win there"

Not necessarily for consoles. They have more freedom and control over system resources in order to optimize both the console and various background applications, and especially for game developers to get much more CPU power, whereas on PC you hardly get to use multiple cores because there are so many variations of hardware that most just run it on two or four cores. Those two extra Ryzen cores can make a big difference for consoles.

But, like I said above. Ryzen is lower TDP right now, meaning cheaper PSU's are needed. Money saved. 7nm Ryzen will be even lower, and the current single core performance is very tight. 7nm will improve the performance a lot, especially in single core. It is basically guaranteed to pass it. I can also bet that they will stick to AMD GPU's because, like you said, they are not going for the high-end market. AMD has many cards neck and neck with NVidia, give or take, and they sell for cheaper because of NVidia's ridiculous mark-ups(primarily for the high-end). It's also going to cut many costs for both AMD and Sony to do the same thing they did this generation. Providing both the CPU and GPU together to cut production, shipping, and overall TDP. Again, AMD GPU's are also getting the 7nm treatment.

Consoles run at very specific clock speeds to keep the temperature ranges low. You will not be getting the better single core performance of Intel on a console because they will not allow the high overclocks that they are capable of, especially for Intel because their chips are running much hotter right now due to pushing their older architecture farther to keep it relevant.

"Wait! Are you expecting PS5´s BC to be hardware based? "

Are you seriously suggesting that x86 would need to emulate x86?

Why would he be banned for saying that they will do remakes of old games as that is what sony have done as an answer to bc this gen
Edit: you want him banned though

@Kiwi I'm not even going to dignify you with an answer. What you said didn't even make any damn sense!

Yeah I don't plan on getting rid of my ps4, and I could hardly call myself a gamer if I decided to pass on all of the inevitable amazing exclusives next gen that'll come from Sony.
@kiwi He said a "bad word", I've been banned for far less.

Just realised what he said that was bad. Took me a while.

You'd have to be an idiot to not see why he was banned or will be banned kiwi. I've been banned for simply calling someone ... Well an idiot! But I dunno the mods here lately haven't seemed too active.

The fact that he got agrees is even more troubling. His reasoning made zero sense. It's great to pick sides in this whole console war. It's another thing to immediately become defensive when someone calls you on your bullsh**.

PS5 won't be backwards compatible that wouldn't be a deal breaker for me, although disheartening especially after the PlayStation Classic blunder but the PS4 has convinced me with it's exclusives that Sony will carry that momentum into next gen the same way that Redemption Microsoft has convinced me to buy an Xbox Anaconda Day One again as well.

I owe you an apology as I'm over tired from long hours at work and it didn't register so i will openly admit my error and make a public apology and i guess i'm not the only one to not pick up on it but at least i have a legit reason

The fact that you talk like you own sony stocks says alot. Its actually amusing watching you dance like a clown :).

I do nonothisyear. I have stock in Nintendo too and fairly decent shares try again.

Fyiir23 I guess that's the kind of gamer you are then? Sort of casual I suppose that's cool too. To each his own

Everybody expects the PS5 to be BC with ps4 games at launch only fanboys wish it won’t happen which is sad