Oh yea I played all I could on my PC. The low res and low frame rate exclusives I had to play on consoles.

Yes PS Poor and the Xbox 720p were too weak in this generation.

I'm a Huge Playstation fan, but if Sony puts a major emphasis on PSVR for Ps5 as opposed to building their first party even further and making a few more important acquisitions (or building new AAA studios with proper talent for Ps5) in response to Microsoft's Studio Purchasing spree, i'm moving over to xbox as my primary choice of console.

@sampsonon
over 3 million psvr's is a nich considering that PS4 is over 85 million units and PSVR is two years old, even kinect on the X360 sold over 20 million and the X360 is 84 million.

First of all tht 3 million number was months and months ago lol. Secondly psvr is the most selling vr unit out of all the vr units including computer counterparts. Thirdly come back and talk to me about how its niche when Sony finishes massacaring with that 199 moss/astrobot bundle thts killing it right now.

Some of you need to stop listening to your favorite console manafacturers because your sounding just like their mouth piece with the mau talk. It is a fact Sony is killing it on all cylinders from software, to hardware to peripherals and no one is close. The sales and engagement are there.

I am so happy they innovated and pushed vr on console and it will be a big part of ps5. Some ppl.are so dense they dont understand that even if the console is centered around vr those that dont care about vr benefit bcus the hardware needs to be beefy with high fps. We all win!!!!

@gamer7804: so you have proof the over 3 million people that bought it aren't engaged? no?
devs aren't supporting it? https://www.youtube.com/wat...

i own a psvr and play daily, especially FireWall Zero Hour which is the best fps I've played this gen.
https://youtu.be/Hr9LgpWLWh...

@sampsonon
If we go with 86 million ps4 sold 3 million PSVR only comes out to 3.5% . That is niche to most people.

This argument about whether it is niche or not seems a bit silly. A niche market is a small subsection of a bigger market. It has nothing to do with quality or perception. VR isn't competing with TVs and monitors. It isn't competing with regular games. It is a small subsection of much bigger markets. It is a niche market plain and simple.

It's great but it's just not good enough yet. I have high hopes for psvr 2.

Companies are investing in it now for the potential it has to become mainstream later. From an enthusiast's perspective, VR represents the biggest innovation we've seen in gaming for a LONG time, so we tend to call it a big deal...

There are a lot of companies making games for it, and psvr has higher average software engagement numbers than the consoles themselves. Seriously, go look it up.

Now that you've looked it up, you'll see that your concerns are unfounded and in the future you don't have to repeat this same argument again....like you did this time, since I pointed this out to you before. Eventually, you just make yourself look foolish.

Anyone can write the specs? They are SPECS, you can't just imagine them by hearing. They have to be written. It is just silly to announce specs and not write them and just talk about them.

@Sampsonon 3 Million... when compared to the 70ish million give or take PS4 sold... that isn't an overly great attach rate especially considering the deep cuts and deals they had last black Friday to push sales... Still nice to give the PS fans the option of VR though... But, I would agree as of now VR market is still niche... Maybe PSVR2 can change that.

"but I wouldn't say its a big deal for gamers."

Hello.

Long time gamer here. Probably well before you were in nappies. As a gamer, it's a big deal.

Have a nice day.

@Dom_Estos

As a 31 year old gamer I was alive for the release of the Nintendo Virtual Boy. So yes, as of right now VR isn't a big deal and isn't showing us any reason to believe otherwise. I want it to become important but I need more than just teasers and promises before I jump onboard. Especially when I can buy a console cheaper than the VR unit itself.

You all suck! You are a bunch of circle jerking assholes... "my plastic box is better than yours. I support a better greedy, money hoarding company than you do" boo fucking hoo...

@imgumby
Seriously is making up lies to fit your narrow minded narrative the only way you can deal with reality? Look if what I said is too much for you to understand, please ask, I can dumb it down for you. When did I say; There is no large population that wants to play VR that would trade away power on the PS5 itself to get there? I dare you to quote me. All I said was, there are many gamers that want to try VR, but don’t want to spend the amount of money needed to try it. You literally have to lie and claim I said something people can see I didn’t make in order to make a point, how sad is your life, plus honestly I expected nothing less from you

Duh, you didn't say that, that was his issue with your statement, a PSVR included with PS5 competing at a similar cost to the neXbox would have to cut down in other areas to do so - & there's only a few bucks to be saved before having to start cutting specs back.

"if Sony was to make it so and keep the price around the next Xbox, it will be a huge win for gamers"

ImGumbyDammit clearly glossed over tackling his concern with your statement and just focused on the reason that it would not be practical- even if you never outright stated it, that was the only logical conclusion, if you disagree, then kindly explain how Sony could keep the price around the neXbox without cutting back on hardware?.

@ Christopher

If you think that is the only logical conclusion, then you clearly have not given this much thought have you? You don’t always have to cut back on hardware in order to give a good price. For one Sony has stated that they are selling the PS VR at a profit, two as time goes on the prices of hardware used to make these systems go down and become smaller, allowing for slim models and cheaper systems. If Sony is coming out with a revised version for VR, they have obviously found a way to make it much cheaper than the original price. Just like some console manufacturers, Sony can be aiming to sell this at a lost, in hopes of making back income in software and subscriptions. Now as to how much of a loss Sony wants to take is up to them, but to suggest the ONLY logical way for them to keep the price around the price of the next Xbox is to cut back on hardware is very shortsighted, mind you around the price of the next Xbox doesn’t equate to the same price, it can be more. Sony just has to find the sweet spot, where by gamers can say, the next Xbox is cheaper, but with a little more money I can get a PS5 and a VR, how much is that sweet spot? I don’t know, it differs from person to person. The PS VR is going for $199, and as I stated before, Sony is making a profit off that price and a revised version can lead to a price cut

Drithe
Mate the official numbers are all published, all you have to do is do a google search to see how wrong you are, the only lead the 360 had was from the time it was on the market ALONE, again from day 1 the ps3 outsold the 360 worldwide every year apart from one, go look up the numbers

Y'all are bananas if you don't think the price of the PS3 was an obstacle for a large swath of people. Sure, it might have outpaced the Xbox 360 but remember that it was the successor to the most successful console to date and lost a lot of ground that the previous two consoles built.

155 million for the Playstation 2
24 million for the Xbox

Compared to very roughly ~80 million each in the Playstation 3, 360 era. Sure, the price might not have been the only factor in play, but you are nuts if you don't think it was a major barrier to a lot of people.

Also, why choose this hill to die on? It's generally a good thing for everyone when a product is priced competitively, so why defend this? Do you want them to release overpriced hardware again? I'll never understand why people are so loyal to bad marketing decisions. I love Playstation as much as the next guy but I have no problem being critical when they make bad decisions.

@drithe
Did you read his comment? The xbox 360 was released 1 year earlier than the Ps3. However, once the PS3 was released, it outsold the Xbox 360 every year (except for 1 year). He wasnt comparing the PS3 to the PS2 sales number. No console in history have the same sale numbers as the PS2 (maybe the PS4). So i dont understand what you point is by bringing this up.

Because the idea that the price held it back when it still outsold the xbox is mad, if the price held it back it wouldnt have sold more than the cheaper 360 right out the gate, the ps3 was worth every penny at the time, i dont need to defend anything the specs and features alone did that for me, how was it overpriced exactly?? No console even today offered what the original 60 gb model did out the box, is 75 pounds really that much more to pay for a console anyway??
Ps3 was 425
Ps4 was 350
Xbox one was 430

I dont see the issue to be honest.

The bottom line is that only early adaptors and people who buy up all the new stuff and sell it on ebay can afford to buy it. You will not get mass sales until the price comes down. Period. I remember when that one Sony rep said about the PS3, "Well if you want a Ferrari you will have to pay for it" or something like that. I knew right then that the ps3 was gonna hurt until the price come down, and it did. I am for the common man who needs every dime to pay the rent, food for the kids, and what not. If Sony throws up a 500 dollar system then I know they are gunning for what they can get at first, then will come down as the industry dictates, But remember some companies lost a lot of money on the ps3 for lack of sales because there were not enough systems out in players hands in the beginning. But then again, maybe they are going for the free game/mmo bit. Either way we will see. I am saving this page so I can come back and say, "I told you so." or , "Sorry, you were right."

I do understand what you are saying, a cheaper console will obviously suit more peoples budget, i get that, but a cheaper price also means a less powerfull and feature packed console, thing is i really do have to work hard for these toys, any console i plan on buying i have to do so with planning and saving, overtime etc, but if it means i get a better console by having to pay 50-100 pounds more than the 350 standard everyone seems to hope for then im happy to do that.