What about poor Xbox One S owners which 80% of Xbox One oners have?

I don’t know. i paid a premium and get to experience the definitive version of Red Dead Redemption 2. Do you?

@lime, what about us? Are you thinking that just because we don't have an X that we are not going to have a great experience with this game?

It is still a visually striking game. AND... there is always the potential for some of us to upgrade to the X and play the game in even better fidelity.

and i will go one further as i only have the base model. Not even an S owner here but I'm still going to enjoy it.

I cringed thinking of you thinking about me Brave Loser 😩

Well okay then..

Sm00thNinja is a wanker

Indeed, my friend.

I am playing on PS4 Pro, I am not a fanboy.... it's sad to see XBOX loosing ground... but fanboys are happy for it... don't know why

While I appreciate the service DF does, you have to admit it's a bit of a double edged sword. While on the one hand they do provide us with good performance data, on the other hand DF does help perpetuate the fanboy war. Still, I suppose that has more to do with the insecurity of individual gamers and not DF's problem. But it does get old seeing all the "runs best on X1X" headlines because that is a foregone conclusion now for every multiplat game that releases. It's not news anymore.

I love how you call it dick measuring when the comparison is in the favor of MS.

@King, I didn't call it dick measuring first, I'm using the term the person I replied to utilized. But, regardless of who comes out, Tech Analysis is about finding out how is better/bigger/faster. It's always been competitive. Oftentimes it's also about developers who don't use their technology well (in this metaphor, it means they're bad in bed).

If you're trying to slight me for using another person's reference when Xbox comes out ahead as being a fanboyish response, you're more than a year off as I already expressed the superiority of the X over all current generation consoles before it was released.

Well it's certainly not dry

Light,

In that case... Is fire not hot? Does it only make things that it's near or that it touches hot?

I had a teacher that used to go on about water technically being a lubricant all the time.

Lol Jinger.

That's literal science, folks. If you feel you know better, you can conduct some research that proves your hypothesis. Otherwise, I'd stop trying to argue a demonstrably wrong case.

In order to save yourselves and the other "alternative facts" brigade that seem to agree with you some time and embarrassment, here's a simple guide that should help you along the way:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=is+wat...

Also, fire is different. It releases heat in an exothermic reaction, and "hot" is a property something can have scientifically. "Wet" is merely a description of how humans experience and interact with water. A more apt comparison would be "is fire not dry?" And then it might dawn on you how silly that argument is.

Yes I almost pulled the trigger on the Pro version for the 30 day exclusive content. But ultimately I decided the Xbox One X would eventually get the dlc and the graphical differences would NOT BE. A 30 day exclusive. I really was taking a Gambit on the X being the superior version and it looks like it paid off

When it comes to digital foundry, their superlatives are sometimes double in meaning. Or at least exaggerated. Won't speculate what is the case here, because i really don't care. But considerable should be quantifiable to some degree, and I hope when i read the analysis later, they back up their claim in the text of their article.

Game's been a long time coming either way, so people should just enjoy it IMO. Chalk one up to the devs for taking advantage of the X1X's power, and likely the power available to mid-gens in general, because a lot of devs haven't bothered this gen for either system to any great degree.

I'm sure it'll be fine. The majority of folk will be playing on stock. I also have a ps4, but i ain't buying a plus subscription.

They were zooming to a point where even the x looked blurry side by side.

Lol did you even watch the video? Clearly not all scenes have heavy fog. There are plenty of extremely large vistas on display here. The use of fog in most of these scenes is not to cover the view distance. I mean at 1:19 and on you clearly see extremely long vistas with no fog.

Edit: Hell, even at 1:19 he even mentions HZD and how this is even maybe a step above that.

LOL, did you apply the person I responded to comment on fogs to mine, where I didn't mention fog at all?

And, as far as vistas, they're not really awe inspiring and detail is greatly reduced beyond a certain range and it is purposefully blurred, which is pretty standard. NPCs and animal activity as well as physics beyond a point will be greatly reduced or completely removed as opposed to continuing those beyond.

And, they said it goes a step beyond HZD in some parts, but also note that HZD was designed for the PS4 and not the Pro. And the technology they use to make it look good on the PS4 and Pro with that code still puts it up there with a game a year and half later on hardware with a ton more RAM and GPU power... A PS4 game... is comparable to a game that's maximized for the X... Think about that.

And, if R* and anyone else utilized the methods that they used in HZD, you would see even better results.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

No one is sitting here calling RDR2 shit or bad looking, but they are using old tech concepts rather than evolving them like they did with HZD. And using those old concepts allows them to progress, but slowly and only as technology progresses.

Saying the game could be better isn't saying it looks like crap.

The game shines on Xbox because they can pull off those higher quality full resolution textures, which makes everything else work well with TAA (and why it looks muddy on the S and Pro, the latter due to poor checkerboarding technology that seems in general to be hit and miss). But, they could go further by using methods from other open world games that allows them to further control memory and processing and allow things to go beyond just being higher textures alongside technology used widely now, but extending those beyond where they've been utilized so far.

From what i saw this morning at work, it appears they used a combination of effects to achieve the games rather impressive graphics. LOD was greatly reduced at points beyond human clarity(where you can't make out an object very well), and the focus of the camera was much more centered on the closer parts of the scene. I noticed a rather strong focus on the characters, making it more like a movie, which works well in the western setting.

Occlusion culling is certainly there, but there are parts of the game I've seen where that is limited in application due to the nature of more open vistas in a western environment. I'll have to go back and look again on Monday....or maybe i'll buy the game this weekend :)....but as I recall, those open parts which I really only got to spend a brief time with, didn't seem as detailed as the areas with more confined spaces.

Horizon did similar things with Occlusion, but if you get to the more open areas, without as many trees or mountains blocking your view, you see a heavy decrease in the LOD, which is more than you'd see in other games. Animations in particular were scaled back, but they were good enough to not really notice. This was mostly possible due to the rather high amount of detail in the objects themselves still looking good when you drop the detail, and the art style itself lending itself very well to hiding deficiencies in the rendering process borne from the lower power available. The Uncharted series also benefits from the art style, which isn't quite photo-realistic, but more stylized. Same goes for RDR, although many objects are more realistic....if not bordering on photo-realistic. But when you view the game, it has that western movie feel to it, which is almost surreal in some places.

Spider-Man does as you say, basically renders a separate scene for background draws...at least that's what I assume you are referring to, or combining objects into one larger meta-object. It's a proven method that works well and minimizes FOV limitations. I see some of that in this game, but I can say that it's done quite well in RDR, and I may even be mistaken that it's used at all, as it seems seamless compared to other games on the market. however, this is a very technical involved process, that most people can not recognize anyways, so I doubt that people will be that fussed about it either way. In one of my prior gigs I was responsible for helping to make something like this, and I had a hard time discerning the difference either way, even when I knew what to look for. The benefit comes from the freeing of resources.

What I find most impressive though is that they achieved the native 4K on the X1X. Given the "tricks" they used to make the graphics better, every part of me says that this level of detail should not be possible on the GPU provided. It speaks volumes on the things that MS did to make the X1X an extremely streamlined machine, and double props to R* for utilizing the power.

I'm really curious how they put it all together, and what new techniques they may have come up with to make it happen. I'm eager to learn of the "tricks" they came up with to get the game looking as good as it does, while still performing well.

I am eagerly hoping to hear the postmortems they release. I always get excited when new things come around which is something that I've been working on, or trying to achieve for a while now. I'm not overly excited for the game itself, but I can't help but be impressed with what they achieved.

Could it be better? I'm sure there will be updates this gen which will probably improve things for all the consoles.

Bit too late in the generation wouldn't you say.

Well they did ignore the RAM gap between pro And x...would havecliked to see the texture boost.

It's just ridiculous thinking. So there's a marketing deal with Sony. That means they're going to skimp on a more powerful console? DLC coming earlier on PlayStation of course makes perfect sense, but not making use of the Xbox One X's extra power doesn't.

I don't think it's ever happened to be perfectly honest. I think it was pure fanboy paranoia in the past. There's no evidence to suggest that it ever actually has either. Rockstar would never agree to this sort of thing with Microsoft or Sony, and if it was suggested by either of them, I think they (Rockstar) would simply decline any special contract or agreement.

The game in a PlayStation or Xbox bundle. The game on PlayStation or Xbox packaging. The game being shown only on one brand of consoles. Earlier DLC, etc. That's as far as it goes. Never would a developer intentionally force parity, or not make the most of hardware if they're able.

This is n4g your supposed to come at me with a comment about sales or exclusives. Your not allowed to say something that makes sense.
I'm joking I hope you really enjoy the game as well

Or 4 million pixels and better frame rates

No shit ! didnt say it was either

No idea what you were trying to say then.

If it was false than Xbox one X would be out selling the Ps4 , Which is doesn't! You only tell the difference when the game is not moving and then you still have to really look for it, So what was false about my statement? The majority of gamers don't care about those minor differences!

Seriously, go back and read some of their comparisons from 2014-2016. Then go read their comparisons over the last year. There is a dramatic change in the way they write their comparisons.

The title "looks and plays best on Xbox One X" is literally the exact same phrasing word for word that Microsoft uses in their advertising on TV/Web ect. they didn't even try to hide the $$$.

You're basing your statements on unfounded suspicion whereas Digital Foundry is basing its head line on the conclusion of their Analysis. Not sure why this is so hard to understand for you.

The X got them going coo coo lol someone gets some Cocoa Puffs 😂 they really trying to say DF is bias toward Xbox now lmao bruh Xbox just not allowed to get any credit if they do......🧐🤥 😠

Are you to inept to do a site search on google? Pick any mutli-platform from 2014-2016 and read, they always downplay the PS4 advantages. Read you'll see they regularly say things like "the PS4 has higher resolution "BUT" the xbox version looks fine", or other things of that nature. If you read there recent comparisons it's almost always worded like X has the highest resolution and PS4 struggles. Or some other wording like that.

Back then while they did generally point out that the PS4 was the better system they ALWAYS made it a point to say that the xbox version was good too.

And really the fact that they cut and pasted Microsoft marketing into the title really says it all and shows where the money is coming from.

And I'd like to add that this isn't the only comparison in the past year where they have used Microsoft marketing in the title and said "best place to play".

Needless to say, no links. Just a slanderous troll.

Nice, I like how in the first reply you pretended to actually be unbiased. It only took one reply to get your true nature to show itself.

Nice - because there aren't enough FPS's out there.