@mcstorm: f that is the argument then that should be stated something like this. "FH4 is the best looking openworld racing game." not best looking racing game.

DRIVECLUB came out in 2014 and still wipes the floor of FH series https://www.youtube.com/wat...

@bolimekurac: "yes its unmatched, its an open world game so its unmatched by any game"

right lol https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Sorry sampsonon but you need to compare how they look when you play them, not random photo mode shots or low res, low quality gifs which helps hide imperfections.

Typical Driveclub IN GAME shot:
https://ibb.co/kB9pNp

Typical Horizon 3 IN GAME shot on PC (load full res):
https://ibb.co/nfQDyU

If you still think you can keep posting Driveclub bullshots and not realise how much crisper and cleaner Horizon 3 can be then you should get your eyes tested.

Horizon 3 is open world, and can run 4K on Xbox One X plus 60FPS on a good PC versus 1080p and 30FPS for corridor racer Driveclub. Lets just stop this idea right now Driveclub is still the best looking racing game.

i say its unmatched and you show me horizon zero dawn, this is a racing game for christ sake. what are you doing

@Computersaysno: "Sorry sampsonon but you need to compare how they look when you play them, not random photo mode shots or low res, low quality gifs which helps hide imperfections."

funny, you say that I'm using still shot and you follow up your argument with screen shots.
If you've noticed from my other comments i have mostly been using gameplay to show off the best looking racing game to date. but just in case you missed them here,,,

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Driveclub destroys anything Turn 10 can produced graphically... sorry but this is a fact.

You need a lesson sampsonon. Luckily I'm the one to give it to you. Here are some of my very own personal screenshots of these two games, having played them both extensively. Taken directly from my PS4 Pro, and my PC running these titles.

As ever, click show full resolution

Driveclub's texture filtering and texture resolution:

https://ibb.co/mT6yYU
https://ibb.co/mrOCtU

Horizon's pavement and road textures....

https://ibb.co/gAJvDU

Driveclub's reflections and shadow resolution:

https://ibb.co/jBFxSp
https://ibb.co/nPhi09

Horizon 3's reflections and shadows:

https://ibb.co/j5FmL9
https://ibb.co/j1OHSp

Driveclub self shadowing:
https://ibb.co/bMbbL9

Horizon 3:
https://ibb.co/ffRMnp

Getting the idea yet? I could go on and on with a host of other things but maybe you see the point about ACTUAL IN GAME QUALITY.

after playing both and not looking at photo mode shots i agree with you @computer, i was so underwhelmed when i popped in driveclub after seeing everyone post their photo mode shots, completely disappointing

Wait....what does being open world have to do with the visual quality? Or are some people just trying to requalify what Greenburg said to try and make it seem that because something isn't open world, it loses a few points on the grading scale? If so, I guess we could refer to Horizon instead.

In any case, what does it matter? This isn't some third party saying this, it's Greenburg. The guy who is responsible for hyping and making hyperbolic statements to sell MS games. People can judge for themselves, and Forza has always been one of MS best looking games. But unmatched? I'd say it doesn't matter what I think, or Greenburg, because every fan boy will swear up and down that something on their own console is the best looking game because its too hard to admit that there are quality devs from all sides of the console war.

DC only looks good in weather. It's underwhelming otherwise. GT looks much better.

Still the best.

Racing at night in the rain is uncanny.

You have to do a double take to make sure your not dreaming.

@krib

You barely played DriveClub according to your trophies...

@aenea

you are correct. i did barely play driveclub. that’s because i bought it after i bought forza horizon 3, and under the impression that it was one of the best looking racing games out there and that it was a good racing game based on everyone on here’s statements but FH3 was on such a higher level that I didn’t find much time to play it. The invisible walls and the racing style couldn’t compare.

It would be like being offered a prime rib or a salsbury steak. Why would you eat the salsbury steak?

@Computersaysno
The only one qho needs a lesson here is you.
For one all your samples are invalid as they're not really trying to be fair.
For example the filtering shots are way off. Why is Driveclub's offending texture much further into the scene?
Your Driveclub links:
https://ibb.co/mT6yYU
https://ibb.co/mrOCtU
Your FH3 links:
https://ibb.co/gAJvDU

Shadows are less refined in Driveclub in some instances because all of the lighting is actually being calculated in real time for the entire scene from the clouds to the interior of a tunnel. This isn't true for Forza Horizon 3... Again you're clearly looking much further into the distance in Driveclub than Forza Horizon 3 to point out lower resolution shadows.
As far as reflections are concerned the windows fall back on low resolution cube maps because SSR doesn't play nice with transparent materials this is why the reflections in the glass is so low res but obviously during gameplay you see much higher resolution reflections all the time on the track on windows attached to buildings and the paint of opponent vehicles as well as your own car. How could that be if the reflections are so low quality. Ray-cast SSR! FH3 on the otherhand relies on high resolution cube maps and for the X and PC iterations the car possesses a high resolution light probe which provides accurate reflection updates in run time. This it why car windows look diffuse in Driveclub but glossy and shiny and indeed more accurate in FH3.
Your Driveclub links:
https://ibb.co/jBFxSp
https://ibb.co/nPhi09

Your FH3 links:
https://ibb.co/j5FmL9
https://ibb.co/j1OHSp

Speaking of clouds the ones in Driveclub are volumetric objects vs animated video in FH3. There used to be a detailed video on Xbox's YT channel about it but it looks like it was delisted.
Here's a video I made a year ago showing off a prevalent flaw in FH3's cloud video mixing implementation versus Driveclub's volumetric option.
https://youtu.be/NCFXbOPJBS...
I also have no idea which version of FH3 your showing off. Are your companions from the Xbox One/S version or the X/PC version as mentioned there will be minor differences in lighting implementation even so there is noticeable banding and light bleed in FH3's selfshadows too, but it obviously isn't as noticeable as Driveclub's. Anyway the biggest visual gains in Driveclub come from its realistic lighting system despite all the inherent flaws it's still much more believable overall than FH3 for quite a few reasons. Clouds properly shade the ground underneath them and cast proper crepuscular rays through the atmosphere rainbows are generated correctly and align properly with the suns trajectory unlike in FH2 (not even sure if FH3 has rainbows or mirages) even lightning ia drawn as a 3D object into the scene in Driveclub. These things and many more just simply aren't done in games of this visual fidelity even on PC to this day!
I would ask why not but I know the reason. Money. PC developers don't make enough on PC to make games look as good as they do on console... Yeah I know fhat sounds wrong especially since no one (including myself) would deny that the console versions of games also available on PC look better, but how many PC games simply wouldn't be possible at all on console. None.

@Computersaysno
But I'm not done!
See there should be PC games that are literally impossible to run on console (due to computational limitations) but there aren't because more money comes out of releasing a title on console than goes in (most of the time) and big publishers actually make much more on console including Activision, EA and Bethesda to name a few.
So the real reason there are so few technical masterpieces like Crysis and Deus Ex: Mankind Divided is because they cost too much and rake in practically nothing on PC. Crytek is a fantastic example too. I mean PC is such a great platform that the developers are going bankrupt and what have they made on PC in the past three years (games made using their engine net them royalties but I'm not counting those - just games made by Crytek directly)? Nothing since Ryse!

This is also why we don't see many Switch crushing mobile phone games though it's definitely to release phone games that wouldn't run at full level visuals on a Nintendo Switch there's no money in it still there are games that run at close to like Asphalt 9 to clearly ahead of Switch's level of quality like Minecraft.

So Forza Horizon 4 will look good and will close the gap with Driveclub...
Wait isn't OnRush a 60FPS console game that was made by many of the same people who made Driveclub that is also a real looker with massive amounts of destruction full day/night cycles and seasonal environmental shifts???
Oh right let's not kill the FH4 hype...

Yea, some nice liberty. Try telling that to Alex Jones. Opinions are only allowed these days if it's coming out of a wacko liberals mouth!

Ohh, so it's now fair to compare a game that runs on PC and/or One X with improvements over the regular X1 to a game that runs on a stock PS4??????????

Shall we compare how FH3 and FH4 looks on the X1/X1S to DC on PS4 then?

Aenea: "Ohh, so it's now fair to compare a game that runs on PC and/or One X with improvements over the regular X1 to a game that runs on a stock PS4?????????? "

Yep, it is entirely fair if the claim is made that Driveclub is equal or better.

If someone is claiming that Driveclub matches the Horizon games at their best available visual quality then we can show Horizon at it's best visual quality on PC or Xbox One X and see if they are right.

They aren't, if it wasn't obvious by now.

People that have played them know Horizon 3 looks much better running on better hardware, as it should. You just need to get that news to sink in to people who think they know otherwise and are plainly wrong.