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Pressing Up Isn't Gameplay: The Open World Problem

Billy Givens says, "Did you pay $60 for a 60-hour game or $60 for a 10 hour game with empty space between to trick you into believing you’re getting more game for your money? You may also love paying $35 for crab legs and having to spend 90% of the meal prying a tiny bit of meat from a shell."

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DrierofLeaves2835d ago

Disagree, open world games are among the best ones ever. I'm glad linear games exist too, since those are fantastic as well (loved God of War and TLOU!). But open world games are incredible.

SegaGamer2835d ago

SOME open world games are incredible, but a lot of them are pointless too. Sometimes I look at open world games and wonder why they made them that way to begin with. A lot of them have been filled with nothing or they have you doing repetitive tasks.

nowitzki20042834d ago

SOME Open world games are great..... same can be said for every single genre. Not every linear game is great.

born2live2834d ago (Edited 2834d ago )

Anyone who wants to have this conversation should take some time to look at Jim Sterling's take on open world games: https://www.youtube.com/wat...
It's an old debate... Open world/map size does not necessarily equal great content.

bigmalky2835d ago

Final Fantasy XV is one of the most bland AAA games I have played this generation, worse than most AAA linear games.

Segata2834d ago

I don't even look at FFXV as open world since it's not that open and parts have to be unlocked through progression plus the last half of the game is linear. I look at the world as an overworld like older RPGs but they tried to sell it as an open world. If they were more clear it's an overworld not an open world might have been looked at slightly better. FFXV still has a lot of problems tho.

bigmalky2834d ago (Edited 2834d ago )

If it was an overworld, there would be no seamless interaction. Overworlds served a purpose for random encounters and access to towns and dungeons... FFXV is an open world where you can explore, fight, do side quests and enter and exit towns and such without loads.

Sorry, but it's not an overworld in any sense of the description.

rainslacker2834d ago

Ultimately, open world is only as good as what content there is to do in that world.

rainslacker2834d ago (Edited 2834d ago )

Pressing up is a input command which is typically used to move the character forward. Moving forward is just an element of game play in every game I know. Game play is a pretty wide reaching term which refers to all the mechanical interactions which are determined by numerous inputs or actions performed by the player based on other interactions which exist in the game to cause something to happen within said game.

I know it's not the actual premise of the article, but I thought it'd be worth noting that the author doesn't seem to discern the difference between game play and game scope or presentation, as well as be able to use the term to properly express the intent of the articles thesis.

TekoIie2835d ago

Well that's how you distinguish a good open world game from a bad one. What are you looking at as you travel the world? What discoveries are you getting sidetracked by? What creatures are you encountering?

It makes it so you're not just pressing up but continually encountering something even if it's as simple as scenery.

dillydadally2834d ago (Edited 2834d ago )

Exactly. I feel like he chose a really poor game as an example. I've never played an open world game as good at putting new and interesting things throughout the world as Zelda:BotW. Everywhere you went there was random challenges, unique world elements, mazes, new discoveries, and just tons of stuff to pull you off course. It was a blast just wandering around discovering stuff. Sounds like this guy was just pressing up to try to get to the next story bit and passing by everything and ignoring everything around him. Then he blames the game?

isarai2835d ago

Mashing a button is not gameplay either, you can say the same about any controller input when dumbed down that far. Yes i agree that open world games are becoming an over saturated genre much like the FPS genre was last gen. That doesn't mean open world is inherently bad, and if you ran out of things to experiment with in BoTW after 2 hrs then you weren't trying to do creative things AT ALL. Honestly in terms of the modern open world trend, BoTW was among the examples of doing it oh so right. if you're only exploring areas that just require you to hold forward you're missing like 80% of that game. Plus where are you "pressing up" towards? that's the point, and in BoTW it was always something new for the first 50hrs at least.

blawren42834d ago

Agreed. When you dumb it down and overgeneralize things. platformers are just jumping simulators or collectathons, racing is just going forward or left in some cases. walking simulators, Mario games, endless runners. There are many details that make a game good or great. Really?! open world games denigrated to pressing up to win. Hell a simple 3d maze crawler is more than that.

PiNkFaIrYbOi2835d ago

Eeeee, for the most part open world is over rated and wish game developers would dial it back some. Not all games need to be open world.

Imalwaysright2834d ago

I agree 100%. Many open world games just give you an illusion of being open and offering freedom. Many of them are nothing but icon filled maps and all you have to do is going to where mission A starts, do the mission and then go to where the next mission starts. This sort of design severely diminishes the open world aspect of any game because it gives next to no incentive to explore the world on your own. The world is not the focus of these kinds of games so what exactly is the point of making them "open world"? Just a waste of resources and time.

Segata2834d ago

LA Noire would have been a far better game without the open world so I agree. In fact, No More Heroes 2 improved on the first by removing it entirely.

Rimeskeem2835d ago

Tbf, linear games are a lot like that just, linear.

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Ex-Assassin's Creed Boss Sues Ubisoft Over Alleged Forced Firing

In 2025 Marc-Alexis Côté, the head of the Assassin’s Creed franchise and a 20 year veteran of Ubisoft, abruptly left the publisher following the launch of Assassin’s Creed Shadows.

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The canceled Assassin's Creed Civil War game was a powder keg waiting to explode

Ubisoft was reportedly working on a game set after the Civil War era, but canceled it due to politics and Assassins Creed Shadows backlash.

lukasmain227d ago

"Ubisoft was uncomfortable with the backlash surrounding Assassin's Creed Shadows' Black samurai protagonist and concerned that the current political climate in America was too fraught."

They are so stupid. There was never a racist backlash to a black protagonist in Assassin's Creed, there was just a backlash because you wanted to have a 7foot black Samurai running around in ancient Japan when you should have had a Japanese local. (I haven't played the game yet, but I plan on it after I finish Ghost Of Yotei)

An Assassin's Creed based just after the American Civil War about a former slave being an Assassin and fight the KKK would have been freakin' EPIC. Something different story-wise in the Assassin's Creed universe. It would have been awesome. When I originaly read this rumor, I felt a bit of a gut punch because that is a game I would have loved to have played. Then I rolled my eyes when I read about Ubisoft's concerns. What a joke.

Were you worried of the fact that the early members of the KKK (after the Civil War) were predominantly Southern Democrats? Is that it? Im joking. But having a Black protagonist, WHERE IT MAKES SENSE, like after the Civl War, is no problem whatsoever. It's a slice from another time that I can't remember playing a game like that before. A former Black slave?. The game could have been really cool. I'm bummed they won't be making this one.

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Krablante226d ago

There is nothing “EPIC” about assassins creed dude…

lukasmain226d ago

Well THIS idea for a game could have been. I mean I take your point. I've always been a sucker for Platinuming Assassin Creed games. I do them all, but NONE of them have ever been my GOTY. They're more like a guilty pleasure, similar to the Far Cry games

_Decadent_Descent226d ago

"But having a Black protagonist, WHERE IT MAKES SENSE"

You are aware that Yasuke was a real African samurai in Japan, no? How is a telling of his story (albeit a fantastical one) not "where it makes sense"?

FinalFantasyFanatic225d ago

I honestly think the concept of this game really could have worked, having said that, I don't trust Ubisoft to actually execute it in a satisfying way.

senorfartcushion225d ago

There was a backlash.

Americans are very vocal online and now there are police forces hunting foreign-looking people in the streets to deport them - even if they are actual Americans.

Companies are worried about selling “wokeness” to this population of 350+ million.

Then there are countries that are starting to move away from wokeness, to a more racially exclusive “whites only” traditional, like Poland, The UK and The Netherlands.

That’s a lot of sales, and though nations are becoming racist, it’s clear that big corporations only care about money and will sell what they think those countries will accept.

chrisx225d ago

Saying there was never a racist backlash just shows how ignorant you are.

lukasmain225d ago (Edited 225d ago )

It wasn't a racist backlash. Maybe a few poeple, but the overwhleming majority was not a racist backlash. You thinking there was just shows how ridiculous you are and how warped your mind is.

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thorstein226d ago

Running around and killing the KKK and former confederates has been done to great effect in Red Dead Redemption 2.

It would be fun to play that with historical accuracy while debunking the lost cause mythos.

Such a wonderfully ripe opportunity. What a shame.

wesnytsfs226d ago

It was a blast in Mafia 3 taking out those racist F#cks.

cbuc1125226d ago

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isarai226d ago (Edited 226d ago )

We've had black protagonists before in ac and it wasn't a problem, Bayek, Adéwalé, Aveline, the assassin has always represented the setting they're in, that's why there was so much backlash for shadows, people have been waiting since the first game! for Japan to be represented by some awesome japanese samurai or ninja, and instead we get an african samurai? With the tease for this game starting with the ending of the very first game, and people begging for it for so long, success was handed to them on a silver platter and they decided to pick this one of all the entries to change the formula, it was a dumb move.

Was there a bunch of racist buttholes shouting? absolutely, but a lot of fans complaining were just disappointed to see them finally take on japan only for the protagonist to not even remotely following the same type of lead as LITERALLY EVERY OTHER AC GAME EVER RELEASED!

Couldn't care less about him being black, i always liked yasuke as a mysterious historic figure, and i love him in other media like the anime(underrated soundtrack btw), Samurai Warriors, nioh, etc, but this was a waste of the character imo.

This just screams tone deaf, just like their entire marketing campaign for this game. Whatever! 🤷‍♂️ I got Ghost of Tsushima/yotei now to fill that void

Inverno226d ago

I'm all for people expressing their views and I will defend everyone's right to do so. But I firmly believe that society needs to progress and be more accepting/tolerant and not be so obsessed with how others live their life's because that truth is it isn't affecting your personal life in a negative way, you just think it is. With that said, just as it was necessary to push back on all the annoying sjw stuff we can't forget to push back on all the ignorance coming from the opposite extreme. F*** the KKK and that nazi ish, I say make the game and let it offend em!

-Foxtrot226d ago

Wouldn’t this have made more sense story and setting wise than having a black slave turned Samurai in ancient Japan.

I’d rather have seen this story played out.

-Foxtrot226d ago

But if you had to choose, this idea should have been first

Notellin225d ago

Because we aren't getting both now and that's what is being discussed. Are you able to read and comprehend the words?

ravens52225d ago

Can you read Notellin? "I’d rather have seen this story played out." I asked Foxtrot a question, not you, don't look silly.

FinalFantasyFanatic225d ago

They should have just done this game instead of AC Japan, it would have been receieved much better.

ravens52225d ago

They should've just done both and not change their artistic ideas for losers that talk about Yasuke being in the game more than actual Japanese people. This wasnt the only piece of media he's been in

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More Assassin’s Creed Content Is Coming To Reverse: 1999

More Assassin’s Creed content has been revealed for Reverse 1999.