Epic Programmer Says Next Generation Consoles Will Enable Devs to Cross the Uncanny Valley

xX-oldboy-Xx2863d ago

Absolutely

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rainslacker2863d ago

Probably the ones that actually understand what the uncanny valley is, and that you can't actually cross it. if you come close to it, you're going in the wrong direction.

mike32UK2863d ago

You can cross it, in fact it's better TO cross it than be IN the valley.

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rainslacker2862d ago

Its more that if you approach it, then it give the nagging feeling that something isn't right to the viewer. Staying away from it means that you don't do that.

Braindeadninja2862d ago

You don't understand what it meant. Uncanny valley is like obstacle which is preventing us to see realistic graphics. By crossing it you will get across the obstacle and reach realistic looking visuals.

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yarbie10002863d ago

It will happen on PC before it happens on consoles. And it isn't happening on either anytime soon

fr0sty2863d ago

It hasn't even happened entirely on farms of high powered servers given as much as days per frame to render, which is why so much movie CG sucks despite being given the above advantage when rendering.

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aaronaton2862d ago

Makes no sense..
Uncharted 4 is the closest we've got to getting out of the uncanny valley. It's the devs and their capture technologies that make the difference.

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joab7772862d ago

Of course it will.

n1kki62862d ago

Well then technically we should be able to bridge the uncanny valley right now on pc Hell probably could have 3 years ago but devs need to accomodate for the lowest common denometer console gamers who only want to spend $299 on hardwre but expect it to have best in class performance. Im not even worried about visuals anymore. Amp up the cpu compute power for better AI. Im sick of the same games with better graphics. Take it all to the cloud and we no longer have hardware restrictions. customers can pay for the compute power they want for the visuals they desire.

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sprinterboy2862d ago

Low/mid range pc also, I bet ultra/high end gaming is only about 10% of pc gamers?

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n1kki62862d ago

Probably, but the gtx 780 came out 8 years ago and has 5 tflops which is more than the PS4. Yes on PC there is extra overhead, but cmon. Literally 8 year old tech that doesn't get taken advantage of until 2017/18 because consoles gamers are only will to spend $299 on hardware that they want to last 5-7 years. It's a joke.

joab7772862d ago

What? She IS talking about the best we have right now. It has nothing to do with consoles or finding price points to generate maximum revenue. She is speaking about the ability in the near future for devs to take advantage of evolving code to reach a breaking point.

LemyAtom2862d ago

Naughty dog did so well on PS4 with TLOU2 trailer that I believe it is possible.

joab7772862d ago

I do find the hair interesting though. Sheds light on why devs highlight this aspect so much. It’s one of those things that requires absurd processing power to achieve likeness. And what will ultimately be the thing that holds us back...for now.

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LavaLampGoo2863d ago

I'm not sure we'll ever fully cross the uncanny valley, were pretty good at creeping ourselves out.

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DashMad2863d ago (Edited 2863d ago )

I'm not sure either, If the PC with 8-10 times more power than current gen base console can't do that why do they think the console can ?? there wont be more than ten times jump next gen at best we will only seen 8-12 Tflop machine with 16 GB Ram if they want to price it around 400 usd.

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Glak182863d ago

People that play consoles don't believe the PC exist, very much like global warming. The PC is a made up myth that only the wealthiest in the world who pay 10 billion dollars can afford one. Also consoles are not computers at all, they are 100% alien technology that could not remain stable outside a small form factor.

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elazz2862d ago

You know a 12TF machine would still be 10x more than the Xbox one. I think base Ps5 will have at least 2.5 to 3 times more gpu power measured in TF than the PS4 pro. The biggest boost will come from the CPU to be significantly stronger. Maybe 3 - 4 times stronger as well. It's gonna be great but that's only what I think. Let's see what Sony will show in a a year or two

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nitus102861d ago

8 to 10 times the power of a Console?

Well, I suppose if you have the money (usually a lot) but there are diminishing returns on your investment since no matter how powerful your PC is today come tomorrow someone will have a more powerful one. Of course, you really do have to ask the question as to what you really need a PC for.

I do agree that for next-gen consoles 16GB or more memory should be the norm. Unfortunately, memory has dramatically increased in price (my 16G DDR4 which I purchased over two years ago is 30%~40% more expensive) although it is now starting to drop.

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ccgr2863d ago

Can't wait to see it!

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XiNatsuDragnel2863d ago

Naughty Dog?

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King_Noctis2863d ago

I don’t think Naughty Dog is the only dev who can create good looking games.

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rivaldoo7772863d ago

Naughty Dog are the best for sure. Nothing looked graphically stunning than TLOU2 thus far.

starchild2862d ago

That game isn't even out. And if we're talking about unreleased games I think Cyberpunk 2077 looks better.

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rivaldoo7772862d ago

@starchild Cyberpunk looks good but GOW looks better. Plenty more games I can name that looks better than cyberpunk. We are talking graphics here.

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starchild2862d ago

Don't agree at all. Cyberpunk 2077 looks significantly better to me than God of War. On the other hand, TLOU2 looks a little better than God of War.

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rivaldoo7772862d ago

Um are you judging by the trailer or were you behind doors? Your dumb if you think that trailer looks significantly better than GOW

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GTgamer2862d ago

After playing Detroit I can see them doing it because some characters look incredible

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KingKionic 2863d ago

The animations is all they really need now.

Games already got the faces very life like up close thanks to high LOD`s.

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RememberThe3572863d ago

That Death Stranding trailer was close.

Jinger2863d ago

For animation? Not even close

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RememberThe3572863d ago

Yep, animations. I thought those were some of the best I'd ever seen. Not quite out of the valley but cresting the ridge.

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rivaldoo7772863d ago

Compared to TLOUP2, It was very meh

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Fist4achin2863d ago

I just hope it doesn't go the way of just using A list celebrities and their contracts vacuuming the bulk of a games development budget. There are a lot of people looking for work and I could give two craps about a movie star being in my game.

showtimefolks2863d ago

Agreed or just use them for motion capture and have custom designed faces by developers

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rainslacker2863d ago

There are tons of great local actors who are often better than the A-List celebrities, and work a lot cheaper, and would be happy to take on good jobs. If one visits the theater enough, you'll always see some amazing actors if you're in a reasonably big city...which most game developers are....and certainly most places that have mocap studios to do the actual capturing.

Jinger2863d ago

Case and point... Hellblade

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Vanfernal2863d ago

I don't think there's a way to truly "cross" the uncanny valley. That would mean that our brain accepts what it's seeing as "real". I don't think that level of immersion is possible.

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The_Sage2863d ago

Have you seen any of the superhero movies?.. There are a lot of cgi scenes. It's gotten pretty believable.

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Segata2863d ago

Yeah, Supermans upper lip is very believable lol.

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Sunny_D2862d ago

@Segata

Come on, you can’t use one of the shittiest superhero movies out as a comparison.😂

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Name Last Name2863d ago

Our brains certainly get tricked in VR positioning. I think its possible.

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sprinterboy2862d ago

Agreed, res 7 psvr says hello. I played that in psvr for about 5hrs straight and felt alittle too connected in the universe, I had to take it off just after the "spolier alert" sitting round the table with the family scene.
my brain was telling me to get the fuck out the house as if I was there. Played it too long without a rest, but 20yrs from now vr will be around the ps3/4 era of vr.

Cobra9512862d ago

That's stereoscopy, which has been around for over a century. It's no big trick at all, just two camera perspectives into the same scene (which is what our eyes do).

Bahamut-Shin2863d ago

uncanny vally is not something that can be overcome with tech.

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Cmv382863d ago

Why next gen consoles and not current gen PC? Surely they are able to right master race?

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ONESHOTV22863d ago

yep it can be done but PC devs like to focus on other things than just graphics and linear story

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Cmv382862d ago

I was alluding to how important this milestone isn't right now.

Kados2863d ago

According to most reputable sources, crossing that point would take roughly 25TF of rendering power. Next gen consoles will not hit 25TF.

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SierraGuy2863d ago (Edited 2863d ago )

Zen 2 cores....7nm 32 GB hurry up 2020.

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SameOldx22863d ago

In the meantime, the rest of the game will look crap. Same old next gen overhype.

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Sy_Wolf2863d ago

Seems unlikely, but I would be quite happy to be proven wrong.

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terstomp2863d ago

They still have a long way to go, more hype than anything. Even this single still photo they can't even get right, there's no life in it, totally blank stare.

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PositiveEmotions2863d ago

The tech demo says otherwise just give it about 5 years or so or maybe even less and we will be close to uncanny valley.

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Segata2863d ago

I care more about how much imagination and style they can put into a game than skin pores.

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AuraAbjure2863d ago

The fox and snowdrop engine are sweet.

PurpHerbison2863d ago

I swear they say this every generation.

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theXtReMe12863d ago (Edited 2863d ago )

Its about time we hear from a reputable dev on the matter. For those not in the know:

https://youtu.be/mkkWCmljMS...

https://youtu.be/9owTAISsvw...

While these look incredible... we still have a huge elephant in the room, and that is soft body physics. While making a character look real is a great step in the right direction, making them react realistically is something entirely different. Soft body physics would allow realtime cuts to form, flesh to act and react to penetration and touch. The muscles, fat, bone and tendons would all have to be accounted for, to get it right. Between the realistic looks and soft body physics, imagine playing a game where when you cut someone or shot someone, they would have slices, parts or holes with blood pouring from those areas of intrusion. Imagine the emotion that this could employ in players, as if it were happening to someone in real life. Would you then be so willing to kill a character in a game?

Great stuff on the horizon. I just hope that next generation consoles and games take the same leaps in physics, simulation and AI that they do in visuals.

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Jahbu2863d ago

I gotta admit the lady in the thumbnail freaks me out if I look at her for more than 10 seconds. Something is so creepy about the image.

Einhander19712862d ago

Yes certain developers will

MunchMiller002862d ago

Right.

mixelon2862d ago

This’ll totally depend on the games in question. Something dark like the Siren games where you potentially only see the faces in fleeting fashion? Yeah, we will get photorealism in games like that soon enough, with good devs.

Anything that lingers on faces is going to be an issue, they can’t even get prerendered faces in films perfect most of the time, there’s no reason to think game devs would be better at it than effects houses.

Mulando2862d ago

That won't happen. The more realistic graphics get, the more it get to uncanny valley until it looks really realistic. That won't happen in the near future.
Btw, you can bypass uncanny valley if you just use a more comiclike look.

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Noskypeno2862d ago

Death stranding and TLOU2 are going to look amazing but Halo 2 anniversary cutscenes and even Halo infinite if it looks like the tech demo would be easier to convince, cause all it takes is a couple animation errors and it'll throw you off,not that I'm dissing their choices.

aaronaton2862d ago

Facial animation is one of the main factors of the uncanny valley.
Console generations make no difference to it, it's more about the talents and the facial capture technologies. Not the amount of power available to the devs.

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SirCharles2862d ago

At 30fps.

8bitswarrior2862d ago

If they had the budget and the right team, yes.

shadowraiserx2862d ago

Ultra Microtransactions! ...

PositiveEmotions2862d ago

@big_dom_strikes_back I get what your saying and yes is what I mean give it 5 to 10 years and we will have uncanny valley on PS5 or PS6

BoneMagnus2862d ago

I'm not a PC gamer, but isn't it likely that the next gen of consoles - if they launch 2020 will be about as good as what a high-end PC can do now? And if so - can current high-end PCs cross the uncanny valley? (I thought not).

Millard2862d ago

Uncanny valley sounds great but can you guys make sure we get solid 30fps gameplay as the bear minimum next gen please. I just don't see any reason why games should be regularly dipping to sub 30fps on next gen systems.

jukins2862d ago

Basically the gap between wow that looks real and wow no way that's a game