I'm still not seeing how these games would be devalued.

Positive that Redbox and Gamefly (here in the states) are common, as these services pretty much killed their retail counterparts.

And you act like Gamefly takes months to receive a game. I got GoW two days later after it's release.

These services are not hampering sales as you stated. Even used games from GameStop are not stopping record breaking sales on excellent games that have been released this gen.

And for all we know maybe Game Pass has a similar set up like Spotify. That every time a user dl's a game that developer gets a payment. For all we know they could be getting a good amount of money on top of sales from physical and digital.

But, if you personally would rather Sony not make a service like Game Pass where you could access their library and also play thier new first party games day one, but instead prefer to just pay $60 a pop for individual games then more power to you.

Well, they can embrace the future or fall into the past. By past, I mean get caught up in their arrogance like they did when building and launching the PS3. The start of next gen could signal another 360/PS3 era war if MS continues to push the gaming front and Sony continues to fall behind with the services and features they offer.

But nobody gaming on PlayStation is concerned with services or GaaS or anything like that, isn't that right? Nobody wants digital games, because they want to "own" all their purchases. So how would having the OPTION of how you purchase or play your games devalue anything that you choose to spend your money on? Hell, PlayStation themselves said they didn't offer EA Access because they didn't feel it offered value to the consumers. THEY made the decision to take that decision away from us, and every single day on here, the same people regurgitate the rhetoric. It's like there's so many great studios in-house that produce so many great single player games, that they're not looking at other areas where their platform could extend it's dominance.

"...where I wanted a version of White Knight Chronicles with complex combo combat mechanics and a engagingly deep story instead of the poor PSO clone with a tacked on shallow story that we got."

And that happened because Game Pass devalued those games right?

I think you're desperately trying to paint a picture of Game Pass destroying single player games. Your frustration on what you believe GaaS is has nothing to do with the points you brought up and or Sony offering a Game Pass service.

There would be nothing devalued if Sony had a Game Pass equivalent and offered their games on that service day one. As I mentioned you can already rent their games from other services and whether you get it on day one or day three (like me) or day five hundred, you can still rent these games and they will have the same value as they did if you purchased it day one.

"Blockbuster who also rented games along with movies"

Interesting point...Blockbuster also rented games back then that you could get instantly and NOW. And yet the games they rented didn't devalue at all. Again, you're not really proving any points or facts by saying a Game Pass service for Sony would devalue their games.

It seems you're more upset at MT's in games and games that don't exactly fit what you personally want (like WNC) more than anything else. But that has nothing to do with Sony offering a rental service similar to Game Pass.

"That if you get games-games-games-games-games for the sake of games, especially from one publisher, games that are good, games that are honestly enjoyable is going to be harder to find much less make."

How? Where? What are you basing this on? You are doing nothing but making up extreme hypothetical scenarios on what you think might happen. Why would they be much harder to make when I have already pointed out that they're also being sold physically? EA has a subscription service and they still make quality games. We already have a market place that is filled with games-games-games-games-games, and the quantity definitely already outweighs the quality. But one man's garbage is another man's treasure. How does a rental service change something that's already there for retail?

Do you think Sony games would not be quality if they offered a Game Pass service and their games day one?

"There will be less reason to make them or a publisher to back them."

What? That makes no sense, if by some chance this were to happen then customers would cancel their subscriptions. And then that service would fail and that dev would be ruined and close their doors. But this has not happened even with rental being around for decades. Are we still even talking about a Game Pass service? I feel like you're trying to make points that have nothing to do with anything of relevance anymore.

"WNC is a relevant example because it was compromised to get it out within the PS3's launch window, just as ME3 became a compromised example of DLC, or SoT and SoD2 for them being first offerings for GaaS, yet low on content and/or buggy."

WNC has nothing to do with a Game Pass like service, if it compromised because of wanting to be at launch then what does that have to do with Game Pass? ME3 has nothing to do with a Game Pass like service. SoT was released with low content and again it has nothing to do with Game Pass. State 2 was released with issues but all those issues were fixed in the first week of launch just like most every game this gen. None of this has anything to do with Game Pass or devaluing games.

"Because store locations had unlimited shelf space with infinite copies of games that never ran out?"

So Gamestop and other retail shops have infinite numbers of games that never run out? What points are you trying to make?

You claimed a service like Game Pass for Sony would **devalue** games but renting games have been around since Blockbuster has been around. And none of the games during that time were devalued.

You then start going on about MT's and GaaS but that has nothing to do with Game Pass and it definitely doesn't have anything to do with Sony providing a similar service. It definitely doesn't have anything to do with Sony offering downloads instead of streaming for their PSNow service.

You then bring up WNC and ME3 for some reason. What those games have anything to do with Game Pass or renting games is beyond me. Unless you can prove that WNC and ME3 were compromised because of rental services then maybe you might have a point.

PS Now does not equal PS4 and insinuating that PS Now has the userbase of the PS4 along with a flawless product for everyone is absurd