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360 Beats PS3 But Sony Destroys Microsoft Also IGN get Exposed HipHopGamerShow 10/19/08

* HOME Will be answer to xbox live.
* Killzone 2 The Title To Seperate PS3 From 360
* Will 360 Have A Web Browser in the next update
* 360 Will Have a killer holiday season over PS3 Easily
* Game Review - Battlefield Bad Company
* IGN No Longer a worthy review source
* And Much Much More Enjoy The Show

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blooodFrenzy926298d ago

what is killzone 2 doing so differntly that it going to seperate the ps3 from the 360??? its a shooter with gret graphics

PirateThom6298d ago

The gameplay of Killzone 2 doesn't matter. It's basically Sony's way of saying "360 cannot do this"

TheNewerGuy6298d ago

It's COD4 with better gameplay and much better graphics.

COD4>>>>>>& gt;Halo 3,Killzone 2>>>>>>Cod4& gt;>>>>Halo 3.

Therefore:

Killzone>>>>>& gt;>Halo.

egm_hiphopgamer6298d ago

I'll tell you. It's not just a shooter with great graphics
it's a shooter with a full blown cover system that you see in first person as well making the game more dynamic with the lean and peak feature. the multiplayer is amazing how you can be playing a team deathmatch and when that fight is over it goes right into a free for all so your teammate now becomes your enemy without ever leaving a multiplayer session it is incredible. also the bullet response systems adds to gameplay element as far as deeper realism and combining skill sets to make your character the ultimate character is a great achievment. so it's more than just a shooter with graphics it's doing things not other shooters are doing man for real

PS3Freak6298d ago

@Thenewerguy
I think u might be trying to boast killzone... but what exactly do u mean by all the >>>>>>>&g t;<<<<<<<& amp;gt crap?

Sir_Ken_Kutaragi6298d ago

...Yes! It's the...
The SirKenKutaragiShow 10/19/08;)

* The 'xBox 360' Fails to outsell the more expensive 'Wii' in the U.S.of.A last month!!! TOTAL FAIL!!! ;-D
* If the xBox 360 gets A Web Browser the N4G Mods will Fall over themselves making sure you can log on to N4G using your xBox 360
(But they couldn't give a Dam if PS3 owner would like to on their PS3's)
* +It's nearly the end of the year and xBox 360 owners are still waiting for their 1st 'AAA' game???
The PS3 has MGS4 + LBP + WipeOut:HD, ALL 'AAA' games ;-P
* The xBox 360 is still CR*P

The End
Tune in next week!!!;)

dukadork6298d ago

KZ2 is a constant problem for the 360 crowd cuz it's a reminder that they got it all wrong. KZ2 is their symbol of SONY over promising and under delivering but oh sh!t: KZ2 is delivering massively so it's like a lingering pain in the ass they'd like to forget about, LOL

listen & watch xbots:

KZ2 shows what PS3 can do when it doesn't have to compromise with 360
PS3 only can handle KZ2
PS3 could run gears2 as easily as Unreal
360 cannot handle KZ2 cuz it's too weak

face the facts xbots, you've been killzowned

JasonPC360PS3Wii6298d ago

You know "release date" like what you said?

Here wear this dumbsh!t hat, I think it fits you.

pixelsword6298d ago (Edited 6298d ago )

...To which everyone is saying that Killzone 2 has a date whereas Alan Wake has no date although the both were showcased about the same time. Just like MGS4 and Splinter Cell was shown (around-abouts) the same time but Splinter Cell was pushed back to '09.

ReTarDedFisHy6298d ago

not only is it going to be better looking on PC, but it's not even good as Heavy Rain. Sorry, nice try.

Oner6298d ago (Edited 6298d ago )

@ dukadork

"KZ2 is a constant problem for the 360 crowd cuz it's a reminder that they got it all wrong. KZ2 is their symbol of SONY over promising and under delivering but oh sh!t: KZ2 is delivering massively so it's like a lingering pain in the ass they'd like to forget about"

Excellent point! You definitely won't get ANYONE who touted those views to admit that they where wrong. Now it's not to say the 360 cannot produce a great looking and fun game but a lot of the intricacies about the system hold it back i.e. no standardized harddrive etc. but mainly lack of disc space (and no this isn't a BD "pwns" fanboy comment). Imagine if M$ weren't so greedy and had an HD-DVD drive in every model 360....things would DEFINITELY be different for Sony & M$ at this time.

thekingofMA6298d ago

what do all those " & gt;" mean?

dukadork6298d ago (Edited 6298d ago )

"Imagine if M$ weren't so greedy and had an HD-DVD drive in every model 360"
yeah... we can try very hard to imagine ;)

- price would be very different
- would ruin the whole macho-gamers-watch-no-movies thingy
- would mean they actually had a vision for the box

but:
- what about standard HDD?
- what about free online?
- what about wifi?
- what about RROD?

nah...
the whole 360 thing is a huge mess with a massive marketing hype praying on young, gullible or dumb gamers...

there's a crowd that's ready for M$ on their PC, on their phone, in their car, on their gaming console, even M$ underwear!!

f@ck that

snoopgg6297d ago

and it was terrible looking and really didn't bring much to the table.

Oner6297d ago (Edited 6297d ago )

@ dukadork

Exactly, I agree 100%. The price on launch day for a 360 was $400, so 3 years later of LIVE makes it $550 for those who purchased it day 1. Now add in other NECESSARY items like

1) a second controller $30 wired OR wireless $50 if you go the wireless route (most people would) then you need to buy batteries $??? IF you didn't get a
2) charge & play kit $20 OR a regular rechargeable battery kit $15-30

That brings it to a low side of $550 with JUST the 360's + LIVE or a middle of about $580 with JUST 1 wired controller and high side of around $620 for JUST 1 additional wireless controller with a charge & play kit!?!?

Now this is absolutely in no way a feature to feature price comparison with the PS3; as you DO NOT see me including the

1) 360 wireless adapter $100
2) HD-DVD add-on kit $200+ when released

Now to be fair the PS3 would need to add 1 controller @ $50 (no additional charge kits needed) so it would be @ $550 (actually $555 for a $5 HDMI cable) on launch day for a 20gb model (with NO WIFI like the 360 and only a 20gb HD again like the 360) BUT you get the additional BD capability at no additional cost PLUS launch day 360's did not have HDMI! So the end result makes the PS3 a better, cheaper deal over the same 3 years because of the NO online fees needed.

Hell, even if you use a 60gb model's price it STILL looks better @ $650 (+5 HDMI) vs $620 because it includes WIFI 40gb MORE @ only $30 more to a standard model launch day 360 (no wifi, no HD-DVD, no HDMI, less HD space, inferior hardware parts "RROD" & you have to pay for multiplayer!). Plus I haven't even added the cost of 360's WIFI & HD-DVD add-on!

But back to my my main point ~ the price comparison is using a 360 with ONLY 1 additional controller plus LIVE compared to a PS3 with only 1 controller (& a $5 HDMI cable) and no online fees. Hands down no one can refute these points. The VAST majority of people who buy a 360 obviously us e it to play games and play with people, so you have to include LIVE as a cost automatically. Even if you take out the additional controller 1 more additional year of LIVE brings it right back up!

And while I know I will get tons of disagrees and people will undoubtedly beleive I DON'T have a 360 and call me a "fanboy"...you would be wrong.

http://img120.imageshack.us...

I am an adult gamer who is able to make/state clear & obvious FACTS. Not assumptions, nor blatant biased posts or spout misinformed false information. I have enjoyed my 360, but between 2 RROD's, having to pay for multiplayer (that is seriously BS) & the additional higher cost of add-ons it just doesn't add up to be "a better deal".

And with awesome titles already available and those coming to the Sony library, it's really the best deal out there...well for me at least ;) as well as to those who don't pretend to not see it

PS1
PS2
PS3
PSN games and free connectivity
PSP interactivity & Remote play
CD
DVD
BD
WIFI
Linux
Bluetooth standard
Upgradeable standard 2.5 harddrive
& much more...

I just don't understand how people can actually beleive some of the fanboy BS they spew, it is obviously lack of owning/experiencing a PS3 or plain old bias.

Pain6297d ago

Dont count your chickens.

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MAR-TYR-DOM6298d ago

"* Killzone 2 The Title To Seperate PS3 From 360"
R2 and LBP will do that before KZ2 comes out imo!

Jamie Foxx6298d ago (Edited 6298d ago )

the credit crunch will work in microsofts favour

ps3 has the more variety of upcoming exclusives

interesting battle

FaSeCeX6298d ago

nice points on this whole price thing..does show how they boast more about their price rather than their games (not to say they have crappy games or anything) but if they were both @ the same price point any1 can tell u ps3 will sell like hot cakes..prolly even outsell wii, of course the fanboy's will tell u different but thats beside the point..ps3 doesnt need a price cut to sell..like u said 360 is not dramatically outselling them just have a $200 misleading price tag on it..other than that gr8 show

~on a side note...freestyle is a +1 this wk haha
keep up the good work, l8z

lukewind6298d ago

Little Big Planet and Resisitance 2 are great games, but they really don't do much to seperate the PS3 from the competition. Resistance is a shooter, there are a ton of those and while Resistance is good, its no Killer app. LBP is much more of a Killer app because of how unique it is. but like all games the hype will come and then fade away quite quick. Its what Sony does after this Xmas that will matter.

Lifendz6298d ago

no other even gives the PS3 the same pub as the 360 except IGN and a few others.

Thanks for the new episode Hiphopgamer. Perhaps you can get your show on Itunes.

Lifendz6298d ago

Hard to justify but the difference of .05 is really negligible to me. We all know it's better. These reviewers judge a game not just on its own merit but on the point it came out in the systems lifespan. THe original Motorstorm was a launch game (or close to a launch game if it wasn't). Look at Perfect Dark Zero. Got great scores then but would it get those scores today? No. The bar has been raised. Motorstorm 2, the bar has been raised. Burnout, Wipeout, etc...all raised the level of expectations. Motorstorm is a great game and the .05 difference is not as bad as we think. It's still AA and it would've been AA even at 8.9. SO go out, buy the game, and enjoy it. 1 luv and God bless, peace!

shingo6298d ago (Edited 6298d ago )

- Home answer to Live? I think Home is going to be enjoyable and innovative but I've been always impressed by the features and quality Live has, something that the PS3 is trying to catch up with through firmware updates. I don't think it's 100% valid to compare Home to Live. They are two different things somehow.

- KZ2 seperates PS3 from 360? MGS4 already did that impressively, homie.

IdleLeeSiuLung6298d ago

To me so far, Sony is selling on brand name alone (many will disagree with me on this one, but MS has brought a lot to the table this time around). The only real killer game I have seen so for from Sony is MGS4. Most of the other games are still "in the future".

I think both systems have great games and personally I play my 360 the most. Not because I necessarily favor one over the other, but so far Sony has only two games I enjoy: MGS4 and Ninja Gaiden Sigma (but hey I'm playing NG2)

I'm looking forward to see what people will do with LBP...

@FaSeCeX:
If both systems were at the same price point, a lot more people will buy PS3 as a blu-ray player only. One could argue then that the PS3's sales number are lower since many people buy it either as exclusive blu-ray player or at least as it's main function.

Ju6298d ago

Olevia BD Player @ Target $229. I doubt who ever buys the PS3 buys it primarily to watch BD.

DARKKNIGHT6298d ago (Edited 6298d ago )

Movie-PRODUCTION quality software.
NUFF SAID.

PLAY BEYOND

Tidus116298d ago

Gamers win from close competetion ... Ps3 vs 360 constantly upgrading and adding features then you have the wii with hardly any good 3rd party games with alot of shovelware

MaxXAttaxX6298d ago

Is there a MetalGamerShow I can listen to?

marionz6298d ago

why oh why does hiphop fanboy have to put his tryhard face on every article

theEnemy6298d ago

MGS4 already did that few months ago.

TheRealSpy6298d ago (Edited 6298d ago )

nobody even talks about metal gear anymore except in context just like this. it didn't seperate anything. we already know what interactive movies are like. and the game play wasn't amazing, it was okay. splinter cell is a much better stealth action game.

LBP looks OKAY but will get old fast since all it is is an updated Super Mario Brothers but now we can spends hours upon hours creating our own 2D side scroller games. Killzone 2 is a sequel to a game that was a flop and aside from graphics, looks very conventional.

Live is going to be cool with this new update. and Home has cool features. Home, however, seems more like an excuse to bombard our eyes with advertisements.

Xbox will have the bigger holiday, just like they did last year. even though all we heard from fanboys was "this will be the year of the ps3." which, oddly, has been what we've been hearing for the last 2 years and the articles are already starting about 2009 being the year of the ps3.

seems to me that with most 3rd party support going to both systems, neither system will dominate. and it will probably go back and forth on hardware sales, while 360 will continue to sell software better.

i like this hip hop gamer's style. but he's a fanboy. no matter what the facts are, he spins his show to still say sony is the better company. and every time he's been proven wrong with his predictions, he just amends those predictions with new ones. and even when he concedes that 360 is going to win over the holiday market, he still tries to spin it back to sony somehow. they are both major corporations that only care about money, so get over your loyalty. get both systems, or if you can only afford one, get one. but you still need to acknowledge that because you only got one, doesn't mean you made the best choice. but even if you did only get a ps3, you'll still have good games. i don't think it's a bad time to be a gamer because of the GAMES. but it sucks being a logical, straight thinking person who also enjoys gaming and discussing it, because no matter how many good points you make, the fanboys will overpower you with their propaganda.

Lyan6298d ago (Edited 6298d ago )

Good point of view TheRealSpy, but even when you think your looking at things from an unbiased perspective you have to remember you have no choice but to look at it through your own eyes.

"they are both major corporations that only care about money, so get over your loyalty."

Definitely agree with "a lot" of what you said. Home just seems like an updated version of Second Life. Though that roped a lot of people, I doubt I'll enjoy running around through a static and sterile environment just to observe advertisements. The concepts that developers are incorporating into it, like Farcry 2, seem cool and intriguing. But, that time could be better spent on creating a demo for people to consume and allow them them to have a better perspective on what the game is actually like.

calis6298d ago

I seriously had to lol the Splinter Cell is a much better stealth game than Metal Gear.

Classic comedy there.

godofthunder106297d ago

He sayed that if the ps3 was the same price as the 360 it will out sell the 360.He went on to say that the 360 fanboys will say different.The truth is that he's the fanboy.The fact is that he doesn't even know what will happened.The fact is that some people doen't even care about games on the ps3 that ps3 fans or bragging about and vice versa.

I don't know what will happen.But i think that the people that bought a 360 or ps3 would have bought them even if one is higher then the other because they are fans of the systemn.FaSeCeX bought his ps3 and it's higher then the 360.He bought the system that he likes the most.He's trying to say that the 360 fans are different.He's saying that they would have bought the ps3 if it was the same price as the 360 and it's not true.

The fact is that the units that are sold all ready would have sold no matter what.Just because he likes the ps3 more then the 360 is his choice.To think that it's better then the 360 is his opinion.I'm not shure what will happen.9 times out of 10 people would have bought the unit that they have all ready and then bought the other unit later on.

I love my 360.I'm not saying that the ps3 isn't a good system because it is.I'm saying that i like a lot more games that exclusive to the 360 then the ps3.Just because FaSeCeX like more games on the ps3 then the 360 doesn't mean every one does.

Every one talks about little big planet and how great it it.The fact is that know one knows how good it is.Ps3 fans said the same thing to 360 fans when they were talking about how great a game was before it even came out on the 360 and they were right to say it.Know one knows how good a game is till it is released.It might be as good as they claimed or it might sux,we just don't know and that's fact.

Ps3 fans are claiming that the ps3 exclusives are better then the 360 exclusives.The fact is that it's their opinion not fact.I and a lot of other people like more exclusives on the 360 then the ps3.I'm not saying that the ps3 doesn't have any exclusives that i wish was on the ps3.They have a lot of ps3 fans that wish that the ps3 have some 360 exclusives on the ps3 to.

The fact is that the 360 does have more games then the ps3.If people don't belive me all they have to do is look it up.Just because a person think that a game on their system is the greatest game ever made is their opinion.I admit,i wish that kill zone 2 was on the 360 but i never did like the M.G.S games.In my opinion i think that it has one of the stupidist story line that was ever written and you watch more then you play,but it's my opinion not fact.

I just don't understand it when people say that microsoft is stealing all of sony 3rd party game.They are saying that sony is the only ones to come up with their own ideals and the other 2 coppies them.

The fact is that sonys biggest sellers was a nintendo or sega exclusive before it was on the ps3.The metal gear solid searies is one of them.The fact is that the metal gear searies started on the nintendo system then sony got it on theirs.They have more of sonys big sellers that started on the nintendo to.

Ps3 fans are also saying that sony is the inovater and the other 2 companies copy them.The fact is that they copy off each other.The same goes with the moition controller.Years before these next gen systems had it i was used on the pc.The fact is that nintendo copyed it and was the first one to use it on a console.When sony found out how many people liked it they decided to throw the one that was supose to launce with the ps3 and made a moition controller for it.

Fact is fact.Sony did copy the nintendo moition controller.Then sony claimed that rummble was last gen and they didn't want to put it in the ps3 controller.When ps3 fans started saying they wanted rummble back sony said it was inpossiable.Sony claimed that they didn't have enough room to put rummble inside a moition controller.The fact is that microsoft and sony was both sued by the company that invented the rummble because they didn't get permission from them.They took microsoft and sony both to court and they both lost.They were both ordered to pay millions to the company.The fact is that microsoft paid their millions to the company and came up with an agreement to keep using it.The other fact is that sony didn't pay their fine before they relesed the ps3 so they wasn't allowed to use it.Finally when sony did pay them they were allowed to use rummble and that is when they put it in the moition controller wich they said didn't have enough room to put anything else in it.Then sony made a stupid remark that the rummble in the 360 was old gen and the one in the ps3 was new gen.The fact is that they are both the same thing.

The same thing with playing on line.When the first xbox came out microsoft said that they wanted to make the xbox more of a media center then just a game system.Sony then said that people wanted a video game not a media center.When sony seen how people was really interested in the whole media center format they decided to do the same thing.Inintendo game out with the browser on the nintendo then sony coppied that to.

What i'm trying to say is that ps3 fanboys are acting and saying thing like sony was the first to do every thing on a game system.The fact is that sony wasn't first in anything.Sony wasn't the first one to have a game system out.They wasn't the first ones to start playing online.They wasn't the first one to have the moition controller.They wasn't the first to have a web browser on their system.They wasn't the first to start the downloading od games and other down loadable content.They wasn't the fist system to have the metal gear games on it and a lot of other exclusives that's on the ps3 was exclusive to nintendo or sega first.I'll admitt that sony was the first one to have anything like home on their system.The fact is that sony just took the sims and put it on the ps3.I'm not saying it isn't a great idea because it is.I'm saying that they just coppied it from the sims.

I'm just tired of reading post from ps3 fanboys acting like sony was the first to do anything.Every thing that i mentioned above about sony not being the first one to have it is fact.The only people that will disagree is ps3 fanboys because they want look anything up.They will just say that sony invented it when it's not true.I'm not saying that nintendo or microsoft invented every thing to because i'm not a childish and bias fanboy.What i'm sayig is just the facts not some lie to make my system look better then the other.

IdleLeeSiuLung6296d ago

I know plenty of people that has done just that. They bought a PS3 to watch Blu-Ray movies. If you are out to get a hi-def experience at the moment you are likely to be a entertainment buff that does your research before buying.

Who in their right mind buys an Olevia Blu-Ray player? You are going for HD with high quality and buy a crappy Olevia player....

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lastdestiny6298d ago

Wow your just really dumb, this is not confirmed lols.

I justb think your screwed up and a loser go play games!, and dont be mean to anyone, this site is to talk about news not to make a flamewar

deathray6298d ago

No, you are wrong. It is confirmed. You can't ignore the facts.

BLuKhaos6298d ago

I hear crying....I hear the cries of babies...

Lolliflop Lolliflop 6298d ago

It's so great knowing the failbox has no 3rd party exclusives worthy of my time

TheNewerGuy6298d ago

buhhh bu buu but bioshocks will nevers come to ps3 :)

lastdestiny6298d ago

Failbox. Come on be serious.

There are many 3rd party games that people can only hope will come to PS3, such as SO4 or Last remnant. square has basically flipped on Sony and all that 3rd party support could only be wished on sony.

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An Update to Our Shared Commitment to Safer Gaming

Discover how Sony Interactive Entertainment, Nintendo, and Microsoft continue to collaborate to improve player safety across our platforms.

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Ecco the Dolphin Returns With Multiple New Games in Development

Ecco the Dolphin is returning, with original creators confirming multiple new games and related projects now in development.

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Yi-Long1d 20h ago

Loved Ecco on Megadrive/Genesis. Diving out of the water was always a fun feeling, and the whole 'vibe' while playing/exploring was pretty chill and special.

Always hoped we'd get a proper 3D sequel with modern-tech water-graphics and physics. (Same wish for Wave Racer btw).

Rebel_Scum1d 15h ago

It was pretty chill until you get to the last 2 or 3 levels. My god Welcome to the Machine was brutal.

killagram1d 9h ago

You can always play an emulated Ecco: Defender of the Future on Flycast, or if you have a real Dreamcast play it there.

fr0sty1d 4h ago

This makes me smile. I hope that the game and especially the soundtrack keep the same relaxed vibe.

Rebel_Scum1d 15h ago

That is amazing news. Keep it level based or metroidvania but dont go the roguelike route and it should be good.

Pergele1d 13h ago

Now do Shining Force, the small but passionate fanbase wants a new game so badly.

jznrpg1d 4h ago (Edited 1d 4h ago )

That brings me back. I know I have a couple copies on Sega consoles but they’re in a box somewhere.
I may check out a new game if done well

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There's an Underrepresented Majority That Wants Entertainment Without Agendas, Says Ex Tripwire CEO

Ex-Tripwire CEO John Gibson shares his 'Entertainment First' vision to capture the agenda-free magic of classics like Star Wars, Zelda, and Metroid.

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Goodguy012d ago

Yes. Just make a good game instead of worrying it should make some kind of stupid social/political differences in the world... we've got enough of that in the real world. Games are places we can escape to and just have fun.

z2g2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

How about you make a game that’s important to you and the people who are interested in that buy it and the ones that don’t like it don’t have to buy it. Just because something bugs some people doesn’t mean there aren’t other people who it doesn’t bug. Someone’s hangups shouldn’t be other people’s problems.

Don’t want a game that features a political or cultural statement or an underrepresented group of people? Don’t buy it.

Not all of us just want vapid, mindless fantasy all the time. Sometimes we want something that represents us or means something. There’s nothing wrong with that. Look how many movies in the world have covered so many types of stories, people or historical controversies to huge successes. Games are no different.

Eonjay2d ago

The plot to remove representation or ideas and content that you dont approve of is an agenda within itself. Its also censorship. People need are trapped in this main- character syndrome where they believe that the world and all of its happens are fashioned for them alone.

crazyCoconuts2d ago

"Don't buy it"
Exactly what people do.
And then big companies are reminded why if you want to make money you may not want to do things like villainize half your market. If you want to preach one side of an argument you're gonna lose people. At least do the Deus Ex/GTA thing and show the warts on both sides so everyone has something to agree with

senorfartcushion2d ago

We’re still waiting on that Splinter Cell remake…

raWfodog2d ago

On the flip side of that, good games can have characters of different ethnic and social backgrounds without thinking that some agendas are trying to be pushed. I've played many, many great games throughout my life with many different characters (male, female, white, people of color, even some animal characters) and loved them all simply for the story and entertainment they provided me while I escaped into those worlds.

senorfartcushion2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

That’s not possible.

Being a child doesn’t remove the political points of OLD GAMES, we were just kids. In fact, older media was decidedly more political than some of the cowardly, childish efforts we have today.

This is precisely why we are still to get that Splinter Cell remake. We can’t have a fun Splinter Cell game with AAA graphics because a few virgins don’t want “politics in their games.”

neutralgamer19922d ago

Keep gaming free of nonsense. Agenda pushing in social media age has gotten worst

senorfartcushion1d 7h ago

Name a game and I’ll tell you what the agenda was

Notellin1d 21h ago

"While our first game is faith-based"

Yeah you guys want to get rid of all the politics and play a nice Southern Baptist game. We get it.

Christopher1d 19h ago

He should follow his own words, then.

*** That changed around two years ago, when he started consulting for Bible X, the studio behind the Christian-based game project Gate Zero. Last month, Gibson, through his recently established publisher Templar Media, acquired the developer.***

Not sure there's anything more political in history than religion.

S2Killinit1d 17h ago

But his statement is also an agenda. Hope people are intelligent enough to know that.

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z2g2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I fail to see how representing actual underrepresented or making them feel included is an “agenda”. This is an extremely self centered selfish viewpoint. Those actual underrepresented people just want to be recognized as valid. The privileged majority who are always represented take that for granted and can’t deal with the fact that “other” types of people or views exist. Inclusion or awareness isn’t an agenda. It’s representing reality and making those “other” people or stories be seen and align with actual reality.

There are literally thousands and thousands of games to choose from, and if you are annoyed that some have cultural or topical relevance, that’s your problem and you don’t have to buy them. Meanwhile other people who want that actually have games that speak to them. So sick of this “my way or the highway” attitude.

And there are plenty of games out there, if that privileged majority have an issue or don’t want a game based on cultural relevance. Pick up a Switch. Most games are g-rated, noncontroversial cartoons with stories fit for tweens. No reality to get mad at.

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KyRo2d ago

It's always me me me me me with you lot. There's a difference between representation and forcing it for the sake of forcing something to a very very loud but very small minority.

Christopher2d ago

You really are only proving their point with this sort of response to the idea of people feeling included in some games versus the plethora of games without it.

Outside_ofthe_Box2d ago

We need to define what "forcing" is because I've seen people say things like Aloy being female in Horizon is pushing an agenda or catering to a "very very loud but very small minority" before.

dveio2d ago

@z2g

I personally think you've nailed it here.

For decades, wether in film or music, there had been ONE primary target group.

And if you're looking further, even in economy, laws, courts or any other area there had been only one target group.

While others, let's be real, were surpressed.

It's "funny" though - why do we all think personalities like David Bowie, Mick Jagger, Freddy Mercury, etc., have had such a huuuge impact on cultures and society? Because they were 1:1 depicts of the Demon Slayer or the Duke?

No, because they were different. Because we all are different.

The only people time and time again that are complaining, whining and moaning about everything (while highly likely even been a fan of Queen or something) are prejudiced people.

Are people that "But it's never been any different, and I want it to stay that way!".

There's nothing highly hidden here. It's always been the same. After decades, even centuries of rules written by and for the "one primary target group", they are now the loudest that complain & moan.

Inverno2d ago

Y'all could also, ya know, just not buy games you feel have an agenda? This constant bitching coming from all these whiney men every time they see a game that isn't catering to them specifically is tiring. They latch themselves onto these games and throw endless amounts of harassment as if there aren't another thousand games releasing before/around/after. I'm usually outspoken when it comes to forced diversity in games, but the issue here is you're all bigoted as hell and need to learn to be a little less offended. Y'all become the snowflakes you mocked so much lol.

MrDead2d ago

This guy is one of the biggest most delicate snowflakes out there, I'm sure he'll be crying on Tucker Carlson or Fox "News" again soon.

Michiel19891d 21h ago

@christopher cater to and include are two very different things. Played most of the games you mentioned and had no issue with any of em because they just include it. I have no issue with inclusion of that, but if in the next god of war, Kratos would all of a sudden hyperfocus on being a strong independent man or a hypermasculine one, I would give them shit for it as well. It has nothing to do with the inclusion of x or y group, but about the integrity of the game.

@inverno stop putting words in my mouth . It's actually the opposite of what you say, I said there can be no conversation because as soon as you criticize them, a whole angry mob comes at you and tries to cancel you. Thankfully it's become less and less over time and people actually realize now they can voice their opinion without having the fear of losing their job.
You really can't see that a lot of companies are now backpeddalling about the woke bs? They finally realize making your product worse to cater to a group who doesn't buy your product anyway is terrible.

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PitbullMonster1d 15h ago

Who was crying about kingdom come deliverance, Stellar Blade and the first descendant? White Hetero men Or leftards?

Inverno1d 4h ago

Leftards but those games still went on to release and become financially and critically successful. This dood, who was a CEO, went on social media to voice an opinion that at the time was controversial. Just cause you have freedom of speech and expression doesn't mean you hafto always voice your opinions publicly. He had to step down because it was more about the company than just him. Now he's back talking bout "unrepresented majority", as if there aren't different audiences to cater to. Since people from both sides can't seem to escape getting fired for voicing opinions then I guess everyone's got to equally face the consequences of their inability to shut up.

MrBaskerville2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Star wars, anti agenda? Lol. I don't think Lucas would agree.

Inverno2d ago

One of the most politically charged movies in existence. They can pretend it's all about space wizards with swords but the space nazis are still in the movies and they're still the bad guys. It's ironic as hell.

JEECE2d ago

More evidence that if the agenda feels legitimate within the story's world, people don't even notice that it is an agenda and they don't complain.

Elit3Nick2d ago

This one gave me a chuckle, too.

JEECE2d ago

As ever, this is a misguided expression of the speaker's issue. While of course there are some games (pure puzzle games, etc) that have no agenda, any game with a narrative is conveying some type of message. What people who say they don't like "woke" or "politics in games" actually mean is that they don't like hamfisted, poorly written narratives/characters that are thin veneers for modern political messages that feel out of place in the game's universe. It's why all these people complain about the Veilguard and not Baldur's Gate 3. They both have "woke" characters but in BG3 they feel like they belong in the universe, while in the Veilguard they just feel like generic fantasy skins for modern American 20-somethings.

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