@MuddyWaters

Those who care more about content than presentation. After all, we don't play presentation. We play games and the games are what made Sony stand out.

Besides, the negative backlash over Sony's conference is so overblown. Yes the intermission after The Last of Us Part 2 was awkward and killed momentum. However after that, it was just like last year's presentation. Very little talking and game after game. At the end of the day that's all that matters. Style points for presentation carries absolutely no weight beyond the chatter while E3 is happening. Yes, Sony could've padded their presentation like MS did by showing a bunch of multi-console titles that everyone already knew about and Shawn Layden could've monologued a lot longer, talking about Sony's dedication to gaming, the way Phil Spencer did. However we as PS4 owners don't have to be told that. Sony has exemplified it for 4 straight generations.

@MuddyWaters *Who outside of MS's most inner circle actually thought MS won E3? Those who have supported the Xbox One this entire generation will be the main one's who say MS won this E3.

I mean, presentation is a great metric of success for non-gamers. For the rest of us, the important part was the games, or at least it should be. There were numerous moments during Sony's gameplay footage where any gamer would say: "Wow, that was epic.", there weren't really any moments like that in MS's conference.

WickedLester, as a show Sony was flat. I have a PS4 and while I look forward to all of those games to me Sony is coming across as very cocky. They just didn't put much effort into E3. There is more talk about the whole Fortnite controversy going on than their E3 show and their response to that is also showing tons of arrogance.

"Who outside of MS's most inner circle actually thought MS won E3?"

Nintendo fans are also more likely to see just how much better Microsoft's E3 was. You also have gaming sites who say the same thing about Sony's odd show. Remove the most loyal fans and it becomes a little clearer that Sony did not have a great E3.

PS4 has double the install base yet Microsoft had the most watched conference says Microsoft won. I watched them both and that was clearly the case, Sony had some good games but was lackluster overall, hardly anything new or hardware/feature news.

Let me make it very simple
Sony won the gamers heart with the flood of amazing ps4 exclusives
but lost the gaming press with their presentation.

While Microsoft won the gaming press with their presentation but lost to sony in what matters the most by showing multiplat games that will be playable on ps4 and the same old gears/halo/forza with nothing new

The flow of the presentation was wrong. I am starting to think Naughty Dog is to blame. Sony (or ND) gave TLUS P.2 special treatment above any other first party exclusive. They went as far as having a stage just for it and then people had to be moved to a new place for the rest of the presentation. It was stupid.

Nobody should care about unfortunately somewhere along the way its become just as much if not more about presentation then the games themselves. I have a feeling that if Microsoft would have had yet another bad presentation at this years E3 then presentation wouldn't have mattered.

@Aspiring "Sony is still delivering in this gen instead of talking about the PS5 or the future"

You seem to have a short memory, Shawn Layden started the chatter last year, that has kept going all year, that PS5 was coming... just not now.

That's exactly what Phil Spencer did. All other details for Scarlet was gleaned from a leaked document which didn't come from Phil.

So don't slap Phil for doing exactly what Shawn did last year.

As for the confs, Xbox was the best conference hands down and the best already known exclusives cam from Sony... well except for Cyberpunk 2077 which is the bollocks in my view.

I'll tell you though I have re-watched the Forza Horizon 4 footage countless times since last Sunday, I didn't think I'd be as excited about it for this year but I am now that I know it's set in Great Britain and has Seasons that affect gameplay.

So this year for me, it's Spiderman, Forza Horizon 4 and Assassins Creed Odyssey.

Edit: Oh and Just Cause 4!

"presentation was a fail though but nobody cares about that."

That's because these degenerates that make posts saying Microsoft won know the games are what really matters, and sony destroyed the competition with one or two games alone.

except they were not the most watched. They were third. Xbox had the most viewers. Then Ubisoft, then Sony.

New Monday said, "Sony won because the PS4 exclusives generated the most interest, they were the most watched and discussed positively." LOL. You guys really do live in the world of make.believe, don't you?

For those of us not indoctrinated by The Church of Sony, here's the truth: Xbox E3 2018 Presser Highest Watched Twitch Stream Ever
Source: https://gamerant.com/xbox-m...

So Xbox generated the most interest and was most watched, and the only reason Sony games are discussed more positively is because people like you $#!+ in every Xbox-related article you come across. The delusion is real... but that's about it.

@TheCommentator

I watched the MS conference and I would never buy an XBOX. I knew lots of multiplats that I can play on my PS4 were gonna be shown and it was the first big E3 conference.

Sure they won with most views but that says nothing really. It's the content that counts.

BTW you seem really upset talking about indoctrination and shit like that. Most gamers prefer PlayStation and it shows you have a hard time accepting that.

@TheCommentator

PlayStation official E3 YT views over 2 million
Xbox official E3 YT views around just 800K

also the YT views of exclusives:

Last of Us 2 : 6.6m
Ghost of Tsushima : 3.5m
Death Stranding : 3m
Halo Infinite : 2.9m

hold the L

@TheCommentator Yes MS won twitch 1.7million to 1.5 but Sony won facebook 2.2 million to 821k on their official channels. Sony also had 80 or so theaters sell out with hundreds of people waiting to get in. Also pretty much all 3rd party streams have Sony ahead.

I thought the whole point to E3 is to show what you got coming up.
Sony showed exclusive games while MS showed multiplatform games.
Just that alone should have easily made Sony the winner.

What the hell does presentation matter if you're showing off multiplats?
Easy win.

Sony showed off 4 games we already knew about and that was their conference. It was bad, almost 2006 bad.
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Technically it was the tournaments that were the most watched, and that generated the most long-term interest.
By that logic, it was Nintendo that won.

But if we're going solely by conference, then I'd give it to Microsoft over Sony and Nintendo, Smash aside.

Let me settle this once and for all for everyone concerned......Microsoft won, and they won big, so let's just all calm down and go play some games.

Presentation does matter to some. If it were content only Microsoft wouldn't even be in the conversation.

Personally I forgive the presentation missteps when your bringing the games so comprehensively. And frankly I'm a little disgusted in the gaming media that they can be so easily distracted by style and pizzazz with little substance to back it up from one company and so easily downgrade another's conference because the stage show wasn't up to its usual standard but the games were on point.

Don't believe me? After the dust settled on the conference themselves what games are being discussed the most? Not Halo, Gears or Forza I can tell you that.

Well, if you consider Sony have actually delivered the majority of titles they have announced at every E3, along with a few other promises, while MS have promised and promised and under delivered each year...

Sony won by a mile.

MS, third party games coming to other platforms, the usual suspects and thin air on exclusives that may or may not be cancelled/barebones/lies.

Presentation = nothing, until something is actually produced.

The most generated interest? Google Trends begs to differ:

UK https://twitter.com/GoogleT...
US https://twitter.com/GoogleT...

This, when some people say Microsoft "won" because of the better format i give them that.
But they forget that not the format, but the GAMES are 100% more important than the format.
The format from Sony was not good, but they killed it by showing gameplay of games. So Sony "won" this E3.

According to twitch though... MS had the most watched E3 conference that topped out at 1.7 million viewers... Who "wins" E3 is purely subjective... That is why "who wins" E3 articles are always opinion based articles... True winners of E3 are Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo fans that see what games/hardware/features are on the horizon.

"Shawn Layden pretty much leaked everything himself. He left people wondering wether we would see or hear about new exclusive games for PS4 and turn out that there was no suprises or whatsoever.

I personally think that Sony played their cards too soon and now they´re running out of exclusives. They still have three conferences this year, and aside from PS5 and PS5 games, i don´t know what is there to talk about regarding exclusive games for the PS4."

Well Well what leaks are you talking about? Every PS4 gamers , gaming journalism knew PS4 will show the exclusives which were announced earlier... and Sony didn't play their exclusive cards to soon. Sony played it perfectly which MS failed at Every level. Hence the large user base and hence PS4 is successful then Xbox.. PS4 still have unannounced games.
MS has a wonderful E3 for the first time. But Sony had the games..

You said Sony played their cards too early yet MS struggles to release a fair amount of exclusives this gen and are talking about next gen

Haha you xbox fans are funny

"I personally think that Sony played their cards too soon and now they´re running out of exclusives."

lol....you act like once Sony delivers what has been announced then that is it. No more exclusives! Sony "ran out". You think all Sony's studios are sitting idle? Nope. Sony didn't need to buy studios to deliver games years down the road like Microsoft. They were never in that situation to begin with. The exclusives will continue. Rest assured, Sony did not "run out". Fact is Sony has been delivering while MS has been stagnant. Sony fans can look to the last two years or so and the coming years and see quality exclusives in either direction. MS fans.....not so much. So Sony could have put on a better show, but MS has a long way to go in actually delivering games in a pipeline like Sony.

MS did what they have always done: try to sell the Xbox on potential rather than actual results. Hogging and Bogarting every 3rd party trailer they can, suggesting they're exclusive, as much as they can.

Show gameplay! Show gameplay! Show gameplay!

"Sony only show gameplay videos"

LOL! Man the xbox fanboys are moving those goal posts fast.

And please dont talk about buzzwords, Microsoft invented buzzwords, "Console Launch Exclusive", "Engagement".

I personally think you're salty and jealous AF.

Dude trailers don't win nothing game play does sony delivered on that front, and multiplats don't count as exclusives lol

“I personally think that Sony played their hand too soon and now they’re running out of exclusives”

Yo... Microsoft literally announced studio acquisitions and the creation of a new studio without even showing games. That's the epitome of playing your cards too early.

The Intitiative was apparently just formed not too long ago and it hasn't even assembled a dev team yet. I've never seen something like that done at a trade show. People complained that Sony showed games too early, atleast they're games and we know there's something concrete that will release at some point. There's no telling how long we'll be waiting for these new Xbox exclusives.

Obscure_Observer

I don't have the time or patience to go over every wrong statement you made, but ill point out a few.
dios right after Mattrick? Wasn't he in a prominent enough position years ago to make it happen? I understand he received some special promotion in 2017, but why did it take so long under his leadership? The generation will be over before the actual new studios produce exclusives. Playground and Undead had deals with Microsoft anyway, some people actually thought Undead was already first party. They were already making exclusives for Microsoft, and one of the new studios is newly formed of spare parts and we have no clue what they are. There were really only 2 studios of significance that were signed. Ninja Theory and Compulsion and the signing didn't even make We Happy Few exclusive.

"no news for PS Plus subscribers"

Actually they announced that Black Ops 3 PS4 would be given immediately as a bonus free game. So, now PS Plus subscribers get XCOM 2, Black Ops 3, and Trials Fusion this month on PS4. Not too shabby.

"one can only imagine if deep dive is the new buzz word for gameplay videos. I was expecting actual devs talking about the games in detail but that didn't happen"

These were extended gameplay demos, not just a few minutes but rather 15 minutes. Besides, you should be used to buzz words and phrases. " Play the game not the resolution", " true 4K", "the cloud", "dx12", "games as a service", "plays best on Xbox", "play anywhere", "jump in", "beast". If you actually watched the entire broadcast devs like Insomniac and Sucker Punch did sit down and talk extensively. Insomniac even played a lengthy live demo apart from what was shown on stage and answered questions.

"Shawn Layden leaked everything. He left ppl wondering if we would hear about new exclusives but turns out there was no surprises whatsoever"

So he leaked everything but made people think there would be new exclusives? Huh? Which is it? Sony told people it was a focus on 4 main games with a few 3rd party announcements and that's what it was. They were straightforward. There was a big surprise actually, it was NIOH 2.

Obscure_Observer

I don't have the time or patience to go over every wrong statement you made, but ill point out a few.
dios right after Mattrick? Wasn't he in a prominent enough position years ago to make it happen? I understand he received some special promotion in 2017, but why did it take so long under his leadership? The generation will be over before the actual new studios produce exclusives. Playground and Undead had deals with Microsoft anyway, some people actually thought Undead was already first party. They were already making exclusives for Microsoft, and one of the new studios is newly formed of spare parts and we have no clue what they are. There were really only 2 studios of significance that were signed. Ninja Theory and Compulsion and the signing didn't even make We Happy Few exclusive.

"no news for PS Plus subscribers"

Actually they announced that Black Ops 3 PS4 would be given immediately as a bonus free game. So, now PS Plus subscribers get XCOM 2, Black Ops 3, and Trials Fusion this month on PS4. Not too shabby.

"one can only imagine if deep dive is the new buzz word for gameplay videos. I was expecting actual devs talking about the games in detail but that didn't happen"

These were extended gameplay demos, not just a few minutes but rather 15 minutes. Besides, you should be used to buzz words and phrases. " Play the game not the resolution", " true 4K", "the cloud", "dx12", "games as a service", "plays best on Xbox", "play anywhere", "jump in", "beast". If you actually watched the entire broadcast devs like Insomniac and Sucker Punch did sit down and talk extensively. Insomniac even played a live lengthy demo apart from what was shown on stage and answered questions.

Obscure_Observer

"Sony is running out of exclusives"

Seriously?

TLoU 2
Spiderman
D Stranding
Tsushima
Days Gone
Dreams
WiLD
Concrete Genie
The Forest
Death's Gambit
Medievil
Left Alive
Quiet Man
Babylon Falls
Vane
Eitr
FFVII

That was off the top of my head..

"Sony has abandoned VR"

Sony is leading the VR HMD market. Skyrim, DOOM, The Inpatient, Megaton, ArchAngel, MOSS, Wipeout VR and numerous others all recently released on PSVR. There are a ton of big PSVR games on the way as well.

Dreams
Blood & Truth
Golem
Ace Combat 7
The Persistence
Star child
Firewall Zero Hour
Zone of the Enders
Vacation Simulator
Transference

“5 New first party studios. FIVE! Everybody was complaining about Microsoft´s lack of investment in that area. Phil Spencer promissed new studio acquisitions short after he got promoted and he delivered despite haters saying that he was lying.”

Should we be clapping? Should we be applauding MS for trying to play catch up for something Sony had already done for more than a decade? Ok🤣

Vr is abandoned? How so? There's plenty of vr stuff right now. Vr just isnt for everyone. Some people like it, some don't. Some get motion sick. I don't think it's going away soon though.

Was that supposed to be sarcastic humor?

Ahh this thread has given me a good laugh thanks guys

You are giving white people a bad name. SMH

Hahahahaha

I can't believe how bad my comment hurt your wittle feelers.

"IT WASN'T FUNNY! YOU'RE HUMOR IS GARBAGE!"

Trust me, I'm not the triggered one as you failed to attempt reversing onto me. Your hurt feelings are pathetic and evident based on the comments.

Hahaha this is awesome

@rainbowBrite, this is what I said

@zeuanimals
"And the 3rd party commitment doesn't need to be stated, nor does the extra power of the Xbox One X. I don't remember Sony saying any of that any chance they got"

You kidding right???
That's all Sony and it's fans on this site talked about for the first couple years after it came out lol, same with indies. Sony was all about having the most power, showcasing independent games, and touting their best 3rd party support, until they got some big exclusives out. Like @ShottyatLaw said the goalposts for "what's the best" or what "wins" moves to whatever Sony is doing best at the time, and it makes since Sony is killing it this gen, but let's not pretend it doesn't happen.

Look, this whole "who won E3" is nonsense I liked Microsofts the best because I own an Xbox and all 50 games they showed I can play on my Xbox and most of them I will, many of them exclusives. But if you loved Sony's big four you may have liked theirs the best and that's fine neither one of us is "wrong" period.

"The point muddy, is that ninja theory has not created anything better than what they created for Sony."

Heavenly Sword has a Metacritic rating of 79 and they have already bested it, so yes you're whole point is cringeworthy and comes across as salty over the whole situation. You have no respect for Ninja Theory and certainly no respect for Microsoft. You're crude views are nothing but shortsighted and everything you post comes across as a console warrior. It's embarrassing since I am also a PS4 owner and this toxicity needs to stop. You're crude views are nothing but shortsighted.

So if SONY showed the same multiplats as ms, would they have had a better conference? Because those games will be available on ps4 also. What games besides forza and crackdown are coming out soon? What happened to microsoft not showing games far from release?

"What games besides forza and crackdown are coming out soon?"

What games besides Spiderman is coming out soon?

"So if SONY showed the same multiplats as ms, would they have had a better conference?"

Sony did show a few games that are also coming to the Xbox One and other platforms. Having more games would have been more interesting yes and would have paced their conference better. I don't know about you but I'd rather see 5 multiplats than sit through a 15 minute intermission. Sony knows the importance of third party, that's where most of their game sales comes from and why they always seem to leave the busy holiday season for those titles. They decided to try something different this year and it failed.

"What happened to microsoft not showing games far from release?"

What rules are you playing by because you can't have a different set for everyone? Nintendo also says they will show games closer to release but showed a teaser for Metroid. We also have no idea if Gears 5 and Halo Infinite are coming out in 2019 because they could very well be.

Admit it, Sony's E3 was poorly conceived and came across as a company who feels like they don't have to do much just because they are selling so well.

Sony was on stage saying they have the most powerful console at every conference? Really? That's news to me.

@BeardedDrachen

Then don't buy one because Microsoft does not need anything. They came out at E3 will pure confidence and put the entire gaming world on notice.

If you own a PS4 then you need a PC and you will still be giving Microsoft money by buying their games and their OS which is Windows. This is why Microsoft is the king of kings.
Thats over $1000 while all Xbox gamers need is just 1 system and thats the Xbox One / Xbox One X and they are covered to play everything.

The time for downplay is over.

@Kribwalker

I guess you can't read between the lines.

@Vasto

So you completely missed my point.

There is no reason to buy an Xbox. Doesn't matter if some of the games are on Windows OS..... There's no reason to buy the console.

I'm probably buying 20-30 of the games that MS showed. Some will be bought on Xbox, PC, PS, and hopefully even Switch. That's more than any other show.

As a gamer, I guess we have a different definition of what matters (I'm assuming you're an investor based on how hard you've been working to sell your product).

@ Vasto

They showed like 44 games that are multiplatform and timed-exclusive - A.K.A. coming to PS4. They had more new game announcements which is why many people are saying they had the better conference. Ultimately though, it makes very little difference.

2 of the first-party studio acquisitions were already making Xbox exclusives, so.... inconsequential at best. The other 3 studios are far away from new game releases and Microsoft is still far and away behind Sony when it comes to AAA first-party studios and desired quality and new IP.

As happens every generation, the PS5 will already have started to be worked on since the PS4 released (so of course the Xbox successor is being developed too), Phil just stated the obvious and voracious fanboys like yourself came away thinking it was some brand new information. In other news though, AMD is said to be dedicating 2/3 of their total resources to create the Navi GPU for Sony, and supposedly EXCLUSIVELY for Sony. I'm not sure why folks like yourself think only Microsoft is capable of creating a console like the Xbox One X, it's hilarious. Sony released an upgrade in 2016 with 2016 tech. MS released an upgrade in 2017 with 2017 tech. Sony and MS will both release consoles in 2020 with 2020 tech. ;)
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@ Kribwalker

BeardedDrachen was talking about the overall message. Microsoft delivered the message that if you want any new games (let alone new IP) from these new studios you will have to wait until next-generation. That is why he was trying to drum up hype for the next-generation with all the buzzwords he used and the confirmation that a new Xbox is in development. And there is just over 2 years until the next generation.

To break it down, 2 of the studios they acquired were already making Xbox exclusives.

With Microsoft's support it took Undead Labs 2 years to "remaster" their first game, and it took them 3 years to develop and release its sequel to mixed reviews, which they've only just released and are still supporting.

Playground Games team #1 is finishing up Forza Horizon 4 and will be supporting that game through 2019, and Playground Games team #2 is building up their studio to begin creating what is rumored to be a reboot of Fable, which won't arrive until the next-gen.

Compulsion Games is finishing up their Early Access game that won't be out until August and took 5 years to develop. If they're going bigger for the next game that will take at least 3 years, and a new IP could take longer.

Ninja Theory will likely be creating something bigger than Hellblade for their next project. With big publisher support in the past, it's taken them 3 years between big AAA game releases. They've only very recently finished porting Hellblade to Xbox One, their new game (and new IP) is likely only in the very early stages, and a quality new IP (if they're getting the AAA support from MS), will take longer than 3 years to produce.