Developers need to stop making online only games. You are giving your game an expiry date.

I would have bought the division if it had an offline mode. There really isnt any excuse nir to.

MGSV was awesome survive wont survive because they made it online only.

Thought the issue was that "everyone" was doing it? Flooding the market on online subscription based games dependent on community and traffic. How the bubble on such wont eventually burst, collapse the industry which will only try to restructure on that same model, as far as high-level game production is concerned, is pretty much obvious.

That’s not a problem lol. If nobody is playing it then it gets shut down, that’s any kind of game.

The only real problem I see with games as a service is that more developers will get stuck making content for the same game instead of working on new games. Longevity is good but the consoles don’t work like PC. People don’t play the same game for 10 years. You’re lucky if console players play your game for 6 months.

I prefer games like Prey, no dlc and no MTs. Arkane pushed it out, added a few patches and then started on the next game.

I can't deny good value and Gampass is actually awesome in terms of value so i want to support it. That being said it's great as an option but should NOT replace independent sales or physical media.

People need to stop using Netflix as an example.because video games don't work the same way as movies. First of all you need a powerful platform to run games, movies can be streamed on literally anything now days and most people watch things for free. You can't just stream games on anything, you have to download them on a capable device. Yes it's possible to stream games from a cloud but we're not at the level of streaming 4k games out of thin air efficiently.

Also people like to own games and keep them, or at least keep them for a long time, specially MP games that people play for years. No one cares about "owning" movies/TV series other than collectors.

simple problem is publishers won't stop at anything and will continue to find was to make more and more money. EA making over $500 Fifa ultimate team than talking about having the same feature in other games. R* cancelling all SP DLC to focus on GTA online and MT so we have evidence in front of our eyes. For those of you defending these things just wait it's gonna become so bad than you will be complaining

now is the time to let our voices be heard before it's too late

the day i can't buy physical versions of my games i will stop gaming. It's an expensive habit anyway and these publishers are making their greed make this industry look money hungry

No thanks. I still prefer to own my games.

There are reasons I generally avoid these games:

1) There is no definitive start and end to the game.
2) You end up playing the same game for a very long time wasting both a large portion of your life and not exposing yourself to the many other games that creative people are making
3) They can take them away from you without notice (This is true in subscriptions like game pass as well, but,at least if a game pass game disappears you can buy it in the store and still enjoy it).

so we would rather pay full cost for all games, 10 is cheap, now I no if PlayStation came up with this concept, the fans would be all in. wow

Better late than never.

It’s ok we have Horizon: Hunter’s Gathering. 😆

Sony needs to get back to making great single player games!

I'm not too sure a lot of the people who visit N4G know what Sony have said recently. They "Sony" want an increase of monetization of their user base and deepen sales on other platforms. So to mitigate the rise in hardware components cost. More expensive services, games, micro transactions and lastly more live service stuff. Who would have thought 🤷‍♂️

An expensive lesson but I think a lesson worth learning

You would have thought that the Concord disaster would have been enough.

Looks like they finally got the message.

Good for sure, but did TLOU Factions really need to die for this? It never needed to be live service, 39.99 and we'd play it forever as is.

I'll never understand why they bought Bungie in the first place (especially for that price), Sony got grifted hard.

Duh! I mean really though, how is it that us bum ass gamers figured that out before these high-paid executives?

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i mean i'm surprised they didn't see this sooner from the reaction to almost every live service game thats come out.

Do single player campaign games including some games that have sp & multiplayer modes with co-op basically like the components in Halo & Destiny but try something new that's not a typical shooter. An action or action adventure game would be nice.

Bungie have problems internally for sure but Sony shouldn’t get a free pass here. Sony have bungled their management of them big time with their live service mandate. Did they forget Bungie’s pedigree in making single player games?

No no guys come on
15th times the charm

Bungie was such a bad investment for Sony, especially considering what they paid for it. MS pushed them to do that after getting Bethesda and Activision. One MS exec said they wanted to spend Sony out of business in 2019.

The less live services they do the better. Their single player games will ALWAYS be their bread and butter.

It was a very bad move. They way overpaid for something many of us don’t care about, live service mp. If they paid maybe 1/10th or so it wouldn’t be so bad but billions for a super risky studio. Their gunplay in games is great but that only lasts so long. They should have them make some single player games and maybe they can recoup some of that $$