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Xbox is preparing for a post-console future

The latest Game Pass subscription offering is the next step in Microsoft's hardwareless future.

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AizenSosuke3079d ago

Xbox is preparing for a service future.

DillyDilly3078d ago

Sony beat them there with Playstation Now Im sure Sony could do this before Microsoft could if they felt like it

SpaceRanger3078d ago

Why would Sony do that when their console is actually profitable and they have a fanbase that actually supports its games?

Father__Merrin3078d ago

As a playstation supporter I have to say gamepass is leaps better than ps now

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Gazondaily3078d ago (Edited 3078d ago )

Throw in a few actuallys in there and then the plankton will believe the narrative.

zackeroniii3078d ago

microsoft in the early steps of throwing in the towel...at least they are saving themselves energy from the dookie that is the xbox brand and everything surrounding it.

Eonjay3078d ago

You are right. This started with Sony and PlayStation Now. Sony's is even more to the point because there is no downloading. Just click and go. You could make an argument that OnLive (former name of PSNow) is the real catalyst for the whole games as a service thing.

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Kiknyonutz3078d ago (Edited 3078d ago )

Sony s*** the bed with PlayStation Now. It's a horrible, laggy, mess that's not worth the price.

letsa_go3078d ago

Sega tried this in the 90's with the Sega Channel on the Genesis. They were way ahead of their time! It was 50 games a month for $14.95. They were doing broadband through cable before it was a thing.

IamTylerDurden13078d ago

Honestly, Microsoft has a very poor 1st party infrastructure so the value a deal like this offers is far less than if Sony or Nintendo did it.

_-EDMIX-_3078d ago (Edited 3078d ago )

I'm sure Sony could probably feasibly do it before Microsoft but technically speaking Microsoft has the advantage because they own the operating system in the first place.

In order for Sony to even do it first with PlayStation now it actually needs to be successful in the first place. As much as I think the idea is pretty amazing for casual gamers and families who may not have the funds to buy numerous games for their children I believe that it's just not taking off and not catching on the way Sony probably thought it would.

The fact that the removing devices from the service kind of shows that it's not as successful as they believed it could be.

I think Microsoft personally can do better going multiplatform because they're the ones that are technically selling less Hardware

not Sony...

As of right now Sony has sold more dedicated home consoles than Microsoft and Nintendo combined..

That doesn't sound like a company looking to go software-only...

I feel every single generation Microsoft just has one costly mishap after the other and I think the higher-ups maybe had enough and can no longer justify putting content only on one device while also catering to another operating system I think you might simply be seeing the beginning of the end and them simply becoming a multi-platform publisher.

@father- I completely agree I believe Game Pass just makes so much more sense than PlayStation now because you're not dealing with latency issues I believe PlayStation now makes more sense theoretically but in regards to how many people will really use it perfectly without any issue remains to be seen

PlayStation Now for it to work basically needs to have a ridiculously strong latency.

Game Pass for it to work simply needs a damn internet connection regardless of quality because once the content is download it it can be played regardless of internet connectivity or latency.

BiggerBoss3078d ago

http://n4g.com/news/1773302...

Lmao, anybody remember this? How far we've come...😂

S2Killinit3078d ago (Edited 3078d ago )

Personally i think It really sucks that MS is pushing in this direction.

Firebird3603078d ago

Love playstation but ps now doesn't even compare to gamepass. Don't even try to argue it.

UnholyLight3078d ago

Alrighty there DillyDilly calm down. I have both systems and I even use my ps4 more overall but yeah......Playstation Now is definitely not as good as what Xbox Games Pass is about to be and already is.

DillyDilly3077d ago

@SpaceRanger Sony has PSN Now on certain TV's & Blu-Ray players so there you go they beat Microsoft to this

rousseau883077d ago

Dilly... Nope they can't sony entertainment barely make profit with 588M profit in 2017 it may seem alot but for the like of sony its alot of finnancial difficulties. Microsoft has the luxury to do this because they made profit of around 30 billions USD (21.2 EUR) its 60x more than sony.

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fiveby93078d ago

Ugh - I hope gaming doesn't devolve into a service subscription model only. That would be awful to have my game library at the mercy of me maintaining a subscription to a service which is likely to increase in price over time. I prefer the fixed cost model of buying a copy of the game.

secrettalkshowhost3078d ago (Edited 3078d ago )

It's not; people where saying this same exact thing 10 years ago. The article is literally just copy/pasted from the same exact vague spiel people where giving in 2008. I've heard this shit so many times worded in the same exact way that I can't even keep track of it.

Microsoft is adding new games to their subscription for the same reason Sony started PS Plus in the first place: desperation. The PS3 was behind the 360 so Sony made a desperate gamble: give people games for "free" through a subscription. The Xbox One is woefully behind the PS4 and it's lifetime sales will likely be eclipsed by the Switch in a year or two so MS is making desperate gambles: Make all new exclusives available on PC, give people new games for "free" through a subscription, and release a more powerful version of the Xbox to pander to the pixel counter crowd.

It's business as usual. Corporations get desperate when there's completion. People make money or get attention by predicting the end of things. Been there done that, seen it all. Its the same crap over and over again.

Omnislashver363078d ago

It's WAY worst than that.

Lmao. So a person buys 5 games a year and now pays $120/yr. That's $180 lost per customer. Add in EA trying to make a killing off Pay-to-win games and lower quality per title and now they've given up on AAA gaming and moved to EEE gaming and PTW. XBL becomes Google Play Store in 10 years or less under this model, although with a subscription fee.

This is just the straw that broke the camel's back. XBL has given up.

IamTylerDurden13078d ago

Microsoft is terrible for the future of gaming. They are pushing a GaaS, all digital, no consoles, no singleplayer, service based, loot box, dlc future. They are helping to push the industry into a very unsavory direction. I don't understand how ppl can support this movement? I'll hold onto consoles, physical games, free dlc, and great singleplayer games as long as i can.

Omnislashver363078d ago (Edited 3078d ago )

Downvotes, seriously explain how this isn't a giant desperation move by MS when they've got no AAA 1st party aside from Forza/Halo/Gears? They can't just give them all away and expect to turn profit without further bastardizing their other efforts. Look at Fable Legends being F2P and getting canceled because they didn't know if it would scam people enough.

It's long been discussed what Xbox could do to pull them out of this gaming slump- buy EA or Activision? Get acquired by Amazon?

No, they've just given up entirely. This is the beginning of the end for Xbox and I expect a replacement for the Xbox brand to enter the market as Xbox fades into oblivion. It's over guys, Xbox Done. Join Sega and Atari it's over Xbox.

DillyDilly3077d ago (Edited 3077d ago )

Or the ones that make games want digital only thus not needing to pay extra to make disc & covers & cases ? Things are going digital yes there will be subscription service options yes. But they would be stupid to force it & not let us own the games if we felt like it so that will always be there

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Kribwalker3078d ago

If anyone was it would be sony. While with gamepass you either need a strong PC or console to play games, PSnow doesn’t need a strong PC to play it’s streaming. Hell, sony was even using its PSNow service on TVs and Bluray players. If that’s not a console less future i don’t know what is

DiRtY3078d ago

You and your logic need to get out of n4g. This is not welcome here.

S2Killinit3078d ago

Hmm somehow kribs logic is so warped its turned 180 degrees.

Nyxus3078d ago

Maybe if the PS4 didn't exist.

gangsta_red3078d ago

@Krib

Agreed, with the current options available, Sony has the strongest lead with PSNow to potentially have a service where you don't need a console or certain hardware specs to play games.

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Kribwalker3078d ago

@S2kill

please explain to me how warped my logic is. Because everything i said is truth. One company used streaming to be able to play their games on TVs and Bluray players without needing a console, and one didn’t. Based off of that, which company would you think was gearing more towards a console less future?

rainslacker3077d ago

They're both new services designed with long term viability in mind. I find game pass a bit better for the immediate present and future, but streaming more viable for a Netflix style of service better for the long term.

I doubt either is meant as a replacement to traditional gaming anytime soon, and ms current services requires they maintain a hardware presence unless they're going back to pushing pc sales for gaming more.

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FITSniper3078d ago

Streaming games will lock entire segments of the world out of gaming. Not everyone has an internet connection capable of streaming. While it might get more viable in the future, it will not replace dedicated hardware any time soon.

JeffGUNZ3077d ago

MS game pass doesn't stream them though, right? You can download them to your hard drive and play offline.

WilliamSheridan3078d ago

Nowhere does this service have anything to do with streaming. If anything, Sony prepared for a console-less future. Not Microsoft

rainslacker3077d ago

I don't think that having the option available means that consoles aren't needed at all. It's one of those situations where one thing doesn't mean the termination of other things.....like MP gaming hasn't killed SP gaming, mobile gaming hasn't killed console or handheld gaming, or any other such nonsense which is apparently going to kill off everything as we know it because it's so easy to kill off a growing technology that's been around for 40+ years because people suddenly change like that.

sinspirit3078d ago

They're preparing for XBox's potential doom, if the current situation isn't already bad enough.

jojo3193077d ago

Since when is selling 30+ million of something "bad"? Let me explain something to you. The PS4 and Xbox do not exist in a vacuum. What if the numbers for both were doubled and the Xbox sold 60+ and the PS4 sold 140? Would it still be a failure? Please explain to me what would be an acceptable number for it not to be a failure. Or is it all relative to what the PS4 has sold? Apple has 12% of the cellphone marketshare worldwide. Samsung is double that at around 23%. So has the iPhone failed? Is it doomed? Not by a long shot.

sinspirit3077d ago (Edited 3077d ago )

@jojo319

Doom doesn't mean it hadn't made profit. But, it's clear their business model is only short-lived. They made little on each console and don't make nearly as much money off software as competitors. XBox One got what it could from 360 fans. They stopped reporting sales; they've always reported sales to retailers rather than consumers to inflate it a bit more. They still can't decide on a final interface. I've been to over a dozen stores and seen a near full pallet of the One X. It's not selling that well. Great hardware, yes. Poor first party incentives to get it though. Watching the movie "The Founder" will let you start thinking about it realistically. The current XBox isn't memorable. It doesn't have "it". It's just the "other guy": at the moment. When they spend as much money on games as they do advertisement budgets then maybe they could turn it around. But, every time they say they've moved more money towards development it's for the games ad campaign, extras not included, over-spending on average results, or poor investments raising the price like with Quantum Break's live action. You think it's positive for them to invest in more ways to make a buck rather than more first party games and software support? Do you think that it would have sold 30 million units(again, only retailer stock) if Nintendo hadn't bombed with the Wii U? How do you think it will be now that Nintendo is a direct competitor again?

IamTylerDurden13078d ago

Xbox has been transitioning towards this for a while. I want traditional console cycles and a plethora of great exclusives but by all means if u prefer a GaaS future go with Xbox.

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JeffGUNZ3077d ago

What ImGumbyDammit said plus how is MS transitioning away consoles when they just invested in and released the most powerful gaming console in November lol? This site is unreal. Gumby just answered your comment so perfectly. Only Sony fanboys can turn this gamepass into something bad. It's laughable. Everyone on N4G have no become top tiered economists lol.

jon3sy93078d ago

for a gamer who is joining the xbox programme for the first time, it becomes a very simple situation. For $10 he has access to games which previously would have been prohibitive. plus the second hand market for physical first party games is going to be seriously reduced as there won't be as many copies of these games around which in turn is going to attract more people to the service. As MS get no money from second hand games they are essentially increasing their revenue by attracting people who would usually just buy second hand.

thexmanone3077d ago (Edited 3077d ago )

What do you call PSNOW? Please explain how Game pass is a streaming service, you need to download the game to play it.

subtenko3077d ago

While Sony does it all and keeps the games rolling in. Microsoft has no choice but to transition xbox as a service, but sony has PSNow and PS+, so that means GamesWithGold will eventually not be a thing when theres just gamepass left...

SierraGuy3077d ago (Edited 3077d ago )

Has anyone actually played a streaming title? Talk about killing multiplayer...lag is incredible. And the graphics suffer. We're not there yet...not even close MS.

"Microsoft - as a software and services business at its heart - wants to have a large audience of people using its software and services."

...kinda hard to do that without new original games.

"Netflix is full of new, original content that you can only get via the service"

....lmao...I hate being controlled as to what I can/can't play/watch at any given moment.

rainslacker3077d ago

I've played streamed games before. I use remote play quite a bit, and that's streaming....often not even from a server, but from a crappy home upstream. I've used PSNow during the free trial with no issue. Gameshare uses both remote play and PSNow servers and I don't really hear complaints about it.

So, I actually question if the people who drone on about how bad streaming games are actually have tried it, or if they had the recommended internet connections when they say it doesn't work, because my experience is that it most definitely does. If it didn't work, Sony wouldn't have maintained PSNow support for half a decade now, and the complaints about how bad the service was would actually be present in reviews of the service from the general press, or even the gaming media itself....but that doesn't exist, and for the most part, most of those saying it doesn't work seem to be forum goers trying to bring the service down. All technical issues about the service seem to be resolvable on the PS Forums, outside of crappy internet connections which isn't a SOny thing that they can inherently fix.

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SegaGamer3079d ago

If they were preparing for a consoleless future, then i don't think they would have gone all out with the Xbox One X.

christocolus3079d ago (Edited 3079d ago )

Yup, also Windows central has already confirmed that work on a successor to the Xbox one is already underway.

Rimeskeem3079d ago

That doesn’t necessarily mean a console.... could be a service that is a successor to the Xbox

morganfell3078d ago (Edited 3078d ago )

"...a successor to the Xbox one is already underway"

And Scalebound was in development. The X1X was in development for a while and likely serves two purposes. First it was a Hail Mary pass. If it succeeded grandly they may have thought about sticking around. Second, the hardware is capable enough to last for what will take more than a few months to phase over to a hardwareless implementation. And I actually think this has been the MS plan for some time and said as much here years ago. If they did not have the hardware to cover that time gap it would be far more difficult to implement such a move.

DillyDilly3078d ago

& we know work on a PS4 successor is on the way

Eonjay3078d ago

I think they are because they already said it. Don't trust Windows Central. They are know to blatantly lie for the sake of lying. I am pretty sure someone at Microsoft is quoted as mentioning a successor and it is way better proof than WC.

agent45323078d ago

I don't see it, the Xbox One X is Microsoft last console. Xbox game pass on the other hand will become the gaming service Microsoft needs

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christocolus3078d ago

It seems a lot of people don't want MS making another console. Panos Panay/ the surface team are now in charge of Xbox hardware development, also Windows central isn't the only one who hinted at a new Xbox being made but Phil himself made reference to it late las year.

@Morgan

Lol

@Dilly

How is that even any of my business or related to the topic? Lmao. Such insecurity.

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Godmars2903078d ago

With others actually knowing what they're doing with consoles, MS will always need a physical presence. A box for the living room.

PlayStation_53078d ago

#1 - Somehow I always knew that Microsoft would eventually "X" their "Box" and have a "hardwareless future". : P'

#2 - Microsoft has always been about "Servicing" their customers... From behind! : P'

#3 - Of course Xbox fans don't care about owning their games. Most of them don't even own their brains. : P'

#4 - Since Xbox 2 is "360" and Xbox 3 is "One", I can only presume Xbox 4 will be "33 1/3: The Final Insult". : P'

Fist4achin3078d ago

Maybe to go out with a bang?! I don't know, just speculating.

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Markusb333078d ago

But it hasn't changed the market at all. Was it ever supposed to ?
Or just extend the life of xbox this gen?

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-Foxtrot3078d ago (Edited 3078d ago )

You never know...give it a gen or two and you might see Xbox Games Pass as an app on PC and even a future, future Playstation

Try and take down EA Access, get them to join along with Square Enix, Ubisoft and Activision and be the Netflix of Games.

Cohagen4203078d ago

I don't think ppl realize how many billions of dollars in debt Netflix is, Microsoft is all about profit and staying in the black.

Goldby3078d ago

except that debt you are talking about is investing in their own original content to make Netflix a necessary subscription for the homes of million upon millions of people.

343_Guilty_Spark3078d ago

http://www.polygon.com/plat...

All that money is being invested in exclusive content. They rightly predicted Disney and Fox would pull out.

Imagine if MS spent $5 billion per year in exclusives and gaming for the next 5 years

xX-oldboy-Xx3078d ago

@343_ - that's a lot of 3rd parties deal right there! You know the last thing MS wants to do is invest in new content for its own hardware.

Eonjay3078d ago

@343

How is Microsoft going to make itself whole? Companies don't spend money to lose it.

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Markusb333078d ago

While I'm sure that's true the xbox division is the least profitable section within MS. The shareholders have been asking for its closure or chang of direction for years now. You can't compare gaming to being on almost every pc in the world as an operating system.

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optimus3078d ago

More like the Hulu of games since hulu is the one that's owned by several networks. I doubt game pass will ever become a PC app simply because not everyone has a capable PC to run it. (I still have a Pentium 3 PC that I haven't turned on in 7 yrs). With cord cutting on the rise, consoles will flourish as long as they can do more than just play games.

agent45323078d ago

Console hardware is done and buried and has made game developers/publishers greedy and lazy. Game services like PS Now and Xbox Game Pass will replace console hardware for good

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343_Guilty_Spark3078d ago (Edited 3078d ago )

@eonjay

The most successful companies spend money and take risks.

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Aceman183077d ago

Personally I love buying and collecting my games. I will be staying this route for the foreseeable future.

It's cool for those who wanna go this route, I just won't be.

rainslacker3077d ago

I'd see all the big publishers making their own service before ms becomes the main go to service like this.

It's be more logical to have an independent 3rd party to do it, similar to Netflix, but with consoles being locked down, the console makers would have too much control to prevent competition.

I remember a lot of people saying that this glut of extra services would likely come to pass if ea access was successful.

Otoh, people are acting like these are replacement services, rather than the supplemental or optional services they actually are. It'll be a long while before services like this are considered appropriate replacements for actual hardware, and there is no reason ms having game pass means that they are now ready to bow out of the market anytime soon. There would have to be some changes to game pass to make that even a possibility.

If ms leaves the hardware market, it's not because they're ready to go to gaas
It's because they just want to leave the hardware market, which I don't see them doing yet

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bluefox7553078d ago

If MS is planning to bail on consoles, that's their prerogative, but it doesn't mean we're heading towards a "post-console future", certainly not any time soon. Sony and Nintendo are doing great.

mcstorm3078d ago

The thing is so are Microsoft their revinue is higher than sonys and in general games on the xbox buy more games than playstation owners. Microsoft said a bit back they don't want to do new gen consoles any more but want to have upgrades that play all old games and the console that was released 3 years before would also play the new games like on the one and x now. Going forward like this could be a great move by Microsoft and also combining pc in there to is another good move by them.

AmUnRa3078d ago

No. Playstationgamers are buying more games than Xboxplayers, just google it.

manabyte773078d ago (Edited 3078d ago )

Sure, Windows and their Office Suite are doing fantastic. That’s what makes Microsoft. It has nothing to do with games or Xbox. Comparing revenue apples to apples, which is Playstation to Xbox, Playstation revenue utterly annhiliates their competition. This is a gaming site. Windows and MS Office are completely irrelevant to this conversation.

mcstorm3078d ago

Sorry @all above a was referring to this which was posted not to long ago on n4g November 2017 NPD: Xbox One brings in more spending, but Sony sells more PlayStation 4s but anyway I'm not bothered who sells more I'm a gamer and buy games I want and that's about it.

Jinger3078d ago

Why are you trying to lie?

_-EDMIX-_3078d ago

That doesn't mean that Microsoft is going to be in support of continuing to lose money from people not buying Hardware when they potentially could be making more money actually selling software to all platforms.

nitus103078d ago

You are quite right Microsoft's overall revenue is higher than Sonys, however, the XBox gaming division has access to a small portion of that revenue and like it or not Microsoft is still beholden to their investors.

At the moment Microsoft does not make a royalty on PC computer games unless those games were financed and/or developed and/or sold by Microsoft.

dreue3078d ago

what? more games are sold on xbox are you real? because i recall more sales on ps4 than xbox one so

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Metroider3078d ago

The only way MS would not produce consoles is if very long term deals were in place with existing and new console manufacturers. Especially since they are pumping money into this new subscription model etc. And I wonder how they would do if they went all pc. Would Sony and Nintendo ever let Xbox games be on their platform? Maybe they can team up with a new Sega or atari.

fathertime44643078d ago

Microsoft isn't pulling out. You need the Xbox to play the games. Only play anywhere works on both.
Sony is the one that has invested and implemented a consolless ecosystem with psnow

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fathertime44643078d ago

@major
If ms is a service than so too is Sony.
Well most if not all Sony fans thinks singularly like you do, but let me tell ya something. Sony already has games as a service! You may own, butf not really because all you can do is stream. Sony will be first to an all digital system that only streams games and you will applaud them for it

OffRoadKing3078d ago

You contradicted yourself, Play Anywhere means you dont need the xbox at all.

Godmars2903078d ago

I double down: MS has never had much - if any - confidence in console gaming. Only saw it as transitional platform for PC.

DillyDilly3077d ago

PS Now has been on TV's & Blu-Ray players so Sony has technically beat Microsoft to the punch with this

DillyDilly3077d ago

!!!!! PS Now has been on TV's & Blu-Ray players so Sony has technically beat Microsoft to the punch with this

Godmars2903077d ago

PS Now was - is? - an attempt to compliment the PS line. Offer older titles to non-console owners in order to temp them into buying one for new games. It was suppose to be an option which - given that non console support was pulled - failed. Which is probably why - though it seems to happen too often - MS's effort which only reinforces the interest they've had for PC is treated as if no one has thought of anything remotely similar. Is an original innovation and "game-changer" instead of the obvious copy it is.

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lodossrage73d ago

I don't agree with that. I WISH I could agree with that. But buying habits and customer opinions prove otherwise

We've seen developers in the AAA space try new things and ideas. More often than not, the customers aren't willing to give things a chance, or not enough people buy into the project for it to grow.

Creativity works better in the indie space because the budgets, pressures, and expectations aren't the same.

Scissorman72d ago

it's a nice idea and it worked during the PS2/PS3-era when AAA didn't cost hundreds of millions of dollars. smaller budgets and shorter development time left room for more creativity and more risk. a game didn't need to sell 4 million+ copies to break even. things are different now.

__y2jb72d ago

This is the guy who bragged about crunching his staff and having them work through the night. Crunch culture has lost more talent and done more damage to the industry than any other factor. Screw him.