@madforaday
You're honestly comparing Vanila destiny to Destiny 2? Let me break it to you. Destiny 2 should have been better than the end of destiny 1. Bungie had 3 years of feedback, experience, and knowledge to make Destiny 2 a lot better than what it is now. There should be no excuse to why Destiny 2 is only a little better than Vanilla destiny.

The problem with destiny 2 and its "Added content", its just an illusion. Let me explain. Things like 6vs6, private matches, selecting what PVP mode you want to play, heroic versions of strikes and raid, etc all exist in destiny 1. But when destiny 2 was released, all of that were stripped from it. Now bungie decided to add it back in so that they can call it "Extra Content". this is not extra content, its content that bungie stripped away and should have been there in the first place.

Ughhh, I know what you are saying and I know what Bungie is trying to do. Long story short, D1 catered to one particular group of people in D1. They had to make big foundation changes and cater to the other side. The future of Destiny has a series is much better to what it was. I wasn't even going to touch D2 because of how they handled D1. Bungie is in a very awkward state where the people who are upset are the Hardcore players from D1. They still have 800,000+ people on their game each day. The people are there. I am much happier with the direction they are going in now, it sucks I get, I am looking more of the future of Destiny. They catered to the casuals in D2 an catered to the hardcore in D1. They are NOW at the point where they can add more advance features in the game which in theory carry to the next game. For an example to give you an idea, the God Rolls, the God Rolls were an unabalnce feature in D1 that catered to the hardcore players. If you have PvP in your game, that stuff like that DOES NOT help the game and caters to only certain amount of people. Remember those are the people who are in the minority.

The PvP is hands down better in D2 compared to D1. Of course, they brought the skill ceiling down in D2, but with that it gave us a more balance game and competitive. I have to say as well, it also made the PvP boring. I will take a PvP that encourages team play and that is balanced. With the community update, MW 2.0 and Armor MW will make way for new builds in PvP and PvE. They also mentioned they are going to have abilities recharge quicker to make the PvP a little bit more faster pace which I do like. The game isn't close to be perfect but the foundation of D2 is much better than D1. It sucks that we (hardcore players have to wait) but patience is a virtue. I have plenty of games to play. From the community update to the tweet that talks about hidden quests, I have faith in this series. If it doesn't I can walk away easily.

Yes "all manner" not just exclusively live service like Jim was doing, but you also shouldn't be forcing devs to make games they not only have no experience making, but also flatout dont want to do.

Assuming that anything like that is actually the case and not just a perception of n4g commenters of course.

@isarai_lee
Yes "all manner" not just exclusively live service like Jim was doing.

I don't understand why you people have to keep making up lies. You can say you don't like some or most of their focus being on live service games, but to say they were exclusively focusing on live service games is pure copium. At most half of their games were live service and the rest were single player games. Seriously why lie about something so obvious?