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How Does Xbox 360 Back-Compat Actually Work?

Digital Foundry:

Rich spoke to Microsoft about how Xbox 360 back-compat and XBox One X enhanced 360 support actually work. We'll have more on this soon, but in the meantime, here are the top-line facts. Emulation, you say? It's actually a bit more complex than that.

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ARESWARLORD3091d ago (Edited 3091d ago )

It's a fantastic feature. I used to own an Xbox One but I got rid of it shortly after lunch for a PS4 and now I own the PS4 Pro.

I have to say that I have a huge digital Xbox 360 library and this has made picking up an Xbox One when it's on sale on boxing day quite tempting.

I also own a huge PS3 Digital Library and I really wish they never used the cell processor and I can play my PS3 games on my PS4.

However Sony now has it right going forward there's no reason we won't be carrying our games library with us

UltraNova3090d ago

I agree with everything you said but i wish the CELL was embraced by the industry as it was a really innovative and powerfull piece of silicone full of potential( should it had been allowed to see further iterations). That way console tech would still be exotic and exciting while making PC gamers sweat in their uncertainty, like in the old days. No we have clearance bin off the shelf parts that are obselete a year before they were picked for a new console with some added bells and whistles (like adding pepper on a piece of meat cooked 2 days ago would make a huge difference).

Rant - fin.

zb1ftw7773090d ago (Edited 3090d ago )

That's not even remotely true.

Console hardware is custom built so that it can literally be manipulated in the most efficient way possible by the OS.

They are far more optimised than PC's which is why the XB1X see's results close to a 1080ti on your TV even though it only has half the physical power.

kevnb3090d ago (Edited 3090d ago )

An Xbox one x isn’t close to 1080ti... it’s close to a 1070 (which is still pretty good). The Xbox one x has a better version of a rx 580, so close to a 1070 makes perfect sense and it’s right in line with where I would expect to be performance wise on a pc. The big boost consoles get is the reduced overhead, this allowed them to use a weak cpu.
I feel like I keep explaining this over and over again, digital foundry has even done comparisons multiple times that show to get console performance all you have to do is boost the cpu to make up for the overhead.

UltraNova3090d ago

@zb1ftw777
On let me refraise that, they are semi-custom obselete shelf parts.

darthv723090d ago

Interestingly, if sony is able to recode (or patch) PS2 games and make them playable on the PS4 as PS2 classics then why cant they enable such a feature for people who have the real discs (like xbo does)?

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freshslicepizza3091d ago

Microsoft put in quite an effort to get older games to run, and it's a fan service.

Godmars2903090d ago

Still say they always planned to introduce BC, only it was going to be a - additional - paid service. Part of what they wanted to do with used games. Then the always online backlash caused them to rethink it as a free - if you own original copies - gesture.

andydalum3090d ago

What information do you have to come to that conclusion?

Liqu1d3090d ago

It was planned for launch but the backlash to their DRM policies delayed it.

http://uk.ign.com/articles/...

XMarkstheSpot3090d ago

He's just taking his frustration out with Sony on MS seeing he'd never discredit them. His whole rant basically describes what PS is doing atm with NOW

andydalum3090d ago

@Liqu1d that means pushed back not that it was suspose to be a payed service.

Godmars2903090d ago

@Liqu1d:
Sounds like it was no where near ready for launch. And at the time they had other things to worry about like the meltdown.

But when I say "service" I mean the very same thing they planned on doing with used XB1 games which was to charge for selling as well as buying, when what they're doing now is not charging you for old games if you have the physical copies.

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darthv723090d ago

For the record, they were never going to block used games. They just said you had to trade your games into a retailer like what many people already do with games they no longer play.

It would have cut out the free market of you giving them to somebody or selling them on CL / Ebay but it was NEVER going to be blocked like so many people actually believed.

Godmars2903089d ago

That was the exact issue: they were inserting a tollbooth into used games to the point games couldn't even be lent without their approval.

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Final Fantasy X 25th Anniversary Website Launches With New Nomura Artwork and Merchandise

Square Enix launches Final Fantasy X 25th anniversary site, revealing new Nomura art, books, music releases, and merchandise.

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-Foxtrot25d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle24d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7724d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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Star Wars: Bounty Hunter Let Jango Fett Loose

LucasArts gave Jango Fett his own game in 2002, and it pulled Star Wars into a much dirtier, rougher, and more interesting corner of the galaxy.

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Relientk7729d ago

I remember playing this back in the day on PS2. What a sick game!

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We Are Xbox

Dear team,

Xbox has always been different.

We started with a simple idea. Games should bring people together through shared experiences. That led to the first Xbox in 2001, Xbox Live in 2002, and new ways to connect, from friends lists and achievements to parties and play across devices. Today, Xbox reaches over 500 million players around the world, with some of the most important franchises in entertainment.

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Outside_ofthe_Box30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster300030d ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv7229d ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

S2Killinit29d ago

The fans didn’t tell them to go multilat. MS was forced to after the 82 billion they spent to destroy gaming. Then, while xbox fans cheered, MS realized they can’t justify the price tag by selling through xbox only, so they went multiplat and in the process began to downplay console gaming.

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CrashMania30d ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

S2Killinit29d ago

They will do what they always do, they will promise the world at the beginning of next GEN and then failed to deliver all generation long. But there will always be some gamers who will buy into their promises.

ocelot0729d ago

Absolutely agree, Do people genuinely believe Microsoft are now going to go. Hang on how's about we go back to 2020. Then GP was stagnating, Games sold where awful because of GP. Outsold by Playstation by a landslide.

They have sold 5m of Forza I believe on PS5. Spite it being a old game. I think Starfield is going to sell well in the end. Halo is deffinetly going to sell well as is Fable and Forza Horizon 6.

I think at best (for Xbox fans). Single player titles like Clockwork will have a timed exclusivity. Multiplayer centric games like Forza, E Day will release day and date on all platforms.

Or all games will release on all platforms day and date. But maybe Xbox and Windows Store copies will have exclusive bonuses. Or may even get timed exclusive dlc like Fallout and Elder Scrolls and COD use to do.

I think they will treat Xbox players like the premium customers or at least act the way. But will serve just the Playstation and Switch 2 customers as well.

Neonridr30d ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box29d ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Neonridr29d ago

@Outside - possibly, but it might push people to want Xbox hardware so they can play with their buddies day one.

Who knows.

S2Killinit29d ago (Edited 29d ago )

it would but remember doing that can splinter the COD fan base and in the process damage the call of duty brand which is probably the only franchise in that $82 billion purchase that in anyway gets even close to delivering what Microsoft thought they bought. If Microsoft fudges around too much with the COD franchise, you might even see a competitor franchise show up on the scene and that would be a catastrophe after the huge debt that Microsoft put itself into with the ABK purchase.

But Its almost guaranteed that Microsoft will want to do something drastic at the beginning of the next generation as they always do. We will see.

Pyrofire9530d ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv7229d ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

S2Killinit29d ago (Edited 29d ago )

A lot of their base left for greener (bluer?) pastures.

--Onilink--29d ago

What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

Outside_ofthe_Box29d ago (Edited 29d ago )

I agree. I mean once they went multiplat, in theory there should be no going back especially when you have games that have sold really well on other platforms.

Microsoft are the ones that announced that they are reevaluating. So I'm just guessing on what their end goal is. Right now Xbox as a hardware is not a must buy for anyone but fans of the brand because their games can be played elsewhere. Going exclusive would solve this, but you lose out on a ton of money instantly which has always been what the company does not want to do so not really sure what their "reevaluating exclusives" means unless they are pulling a Phil Spencer and are just saying what people want to hear and will continue to do what they are currently doing.

darthv7229d ago

Their ports to PS5 are selling because Sony's output has been so dry... the fans are thirsty, and MS is the oasis.

SIdepocket29d ago

Unfortunately, the studios they buy wither under their leadership.

mcstorm29d ago

Microsoft still has a name with Xbox the issue is the casual games are not looking at the console because its not the same console their friends have. Look at that poll on how many users upgraded from xbox 365 to one and then the X. Part of Microsoft's downfall was thinking that the Wii was the market they had to be in when really it was the core market. If you get the core gamers you then get the market to. As I posted a few minuets ago on another post Microsoft putting exclusives on PS this gen could bold well if they hit next gen with all our games are staying exclusive from this new gen. They will then get gamers wanting Halo, Forza Gears but this is also where Microsoft fell over with the xbox one and X in terms of they did not have may quality 1st party games affter they fell into the Gears, Forza and Halo cycle. If they can get some old IPs back to bring back the old core gamers as well as fresh ips to bring in new gamers things could improve next gen. But as I said in my last post its all if buts and maybes at the moment. No one knows if the next home consoles will be to expensive that people move to pc as we are now seeing or look at the stem deck as a cheepier alternitive.

DarXyde29d ago

"Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box."

That's very optimistic. It's not the only issue, far from it. There is a serious rupture between Microsoft generally and the public caused by their weird Game Pass price fluctuations, taking down physical game space in stores, and being the first to go nuts on hardware price hikes that they themselves played a big part in.

They're also charging beyond a premium for Helix which is just vile at a time when the economy is in shambles.

The company itself is really not doing itself any favors with the approach they're taking Windows. Even France is looking to ditch Windows in favor of Linux.

But the most offensive thing is this AI push. They're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the very technology they're using to replace a considerable proportion of their workforce... And the slap in the face is how they bake copilot into everything when nobody likes it—they couldn't even make Bing stick, so why on earth are they trying so hard? You know it's bad when people would rather use ChatGPT than Copilot which is killing their OS. But aside from their snatching up of farmland to build data centers (and reduce the agriculture capacity of whichever country allows them to build them), they made an AI-generated gamer gurl that loves AI the head of Xbox.

Even if we grant them the full benefit of the doubt, it hardly matters what Xbox wants to do if Nadella says no, and that includes exclusive games. Microsoft's relationship with Xbox is the opposite of Sony's relationship with PlayStation—Microsoft pulls the reins of Xbox, but Sony damn near went under for the PS3.

Tanktopmaster9229d ago (Edited 29d ago )

“If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it.”

Great strategy, especially after Forza selling 5 million on PlayStation and sea of thieves selling at least another million (2 million) for example. In March 2026, Xbox consoles sales ratio vs PS was 10:1.

In addition to that, with Gamepass, which unequivocally cuts out chunks of sales (Cannibalizing revenue from 1st month sales especially).

I’m sure going exclusive again after releasing everything on Ps5 is going to work out great for business.

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maximusprime_30d ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted30d ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

S2Killinit29d ago

Sony PlayStation has deservedly dominated xbox. Facts

Tanktopmaster9229d ago (Edited 29d ago )

Ok tween.

Xbox series SX got outsold 10:1 last month. lol.

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shadowT30d ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers30d ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz14929d ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

ocelot0729d ago

Agreed and I think that's where they are going to focus on more. I think cheaper games on Windows/Xbox store (MS IP) compared to Steam and Epic and maybe even compared to PSN store as well.

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