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Where I think microtransactions are acceptable

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Razzer3084d ago

I have no problem with MT in single player games or cosmetic purchases. I had no problem with the MT in Shadow of War. I finished the game and paid nothing more than the initial purchase price. And if MT helps keep that initial purchase price down then I am better off.

But pay to win in MP is not cool. No way around that.

maybelovehate3084d ago

Agree for the most part. But would also add that the game should not be limiting in any way as a means to try to sell MT's.

Although so far for me this hasn't been an issue outside of free to play games like Warframe. Never felt the urge to buy MT's outside of that game and also trying to beat my cousin in Jetpack Joyride haha

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TheVetOfGaming3084d ago

I remember when cosmetics could be unlocked, in game, for zero currency. There is no need for paid crap in any full priced game, and if you think there is, then you are part of the problem. Why are so many people agreeing that we should pay more and more for basic crap. Or why are articles like this one pushing the garbage. Some people need a severe reality check and not a paycheck.

Razzer3084d ago

Oh please. Paid cosmetic items in games have been around a long time. This isn’t new. You have the option to buy or NOT buy those items and it does NOT affect gameplay whatsoever. So you are saying you do not think anyone should have that option to buy items in-game, no matter how trivial. Uh yeah....keep living that fantasy and buy yourself a retro-console.

maybelovehate3084d ago

They still can. The cosmetics in Destiny for example can be obtained either way. In game or through MT's.

_-EDMIX-_3084d ago (Edited 3084d ago )

"I remember when cosmetics could be unlocked"

Like which titles? Be specific on what you're talking about.

For example Resident Evil Revelations 1 2 and Resident Evil 7 all still have unlockables within the game.

Please enough with the vague generalizations and specifically prove your point by giving an example of a game that used to have free unlockables that switched to having Micro transactions instead with no unlockables within the main game.

DragonKnight3084d ago

Every single one of you making excuses for MTs, demanding "evidence" for systems that were better before MTs, saying "cosmetic MTs" are okay, are the very reason EA did what they did, why they are doing it worse in UFC (for goodness sake you can pay for a more powerful punch), why Take Two is going to ramp up their own use of MTs and why every B.S. practice persists in gaming. Because you people APOLOGIZE for this crap, say it's perfectly fine, and allow publishers to push the limits every single damn time.

"No one is forcing you to buy it"

You're damned right they are when they continue to segment content and frickin' PROGRESSION behind increasingly numerous, and increasingly insurmountable frickin' paywalls which, btw, are seething in price gouging in addition to being the scummy practice of merely existing at all.

You are the reason quality dies, you are the reason content is lacking, you are the reason the only thing frickin' improving in games is visual fidelity, and you are the reason why the price of games will soon only reflect said visuals and not any aspect of entertainment value for the price.\

Kindly take your arched, presenting, apologetic posteriors OUT of the medium the rest of us are actually trying to enjoy whilst understanding the value of a buck and wanting more out of these games than a shiny coat of paint and a marketplace.

Razzer3084d ago

@DragonKnight

"Because you people APOLOGIZE for this crap, say it's perfectly fine, and allow publishers to push the limits every single damn time. "

Oh bullshit. EA and others do this stuff because people actually buy the shit. You think posting my opinion about this on n4g results in the reason "quality dies" is just nonsensical hyperbole. Just a shitty argument entirely.

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Ittoittosai3084d ago

No you didnt you cant finish shadow of War with out grinding out rediculous amounts of Orcs, the damn MT in Shadow of War are pay to win too as the contain Orcs and before someone replys "there is no competive online for Shadow of war" really so you cant attack another players base or tower like in Metal Gear online? Oh you can. Then it has a pay to win schemed MT setup.

Razzer3084d ago

That is hardly competitive. There is no interaction with the other players. If someone attacks my base and wins I don’t even know about it. Apples and oranges.

And no, I didn’t have to grind a lot of orcs. I spent my mirian on upgrades and played through the end sieges just fine. Did you finish the game?

_-EDMIX-_3084d ago

Shadow of wars in RPG that is no different than the grinding that I was doing in Shadow of Mordor.

The_Kills3084d ago

Nope friend, you accept that because yo've slowly been conditioned to accept it. Keep up the trend, and SWBF2's MTX's. will seem tame.

Accept nothing, if they want to push the envelope on one extreme end of the spectrum, you gotta fight back with the opposite extreme.

Razzer3084d ago (Edited 3084d ago )

I guess we were all slowly conditioned to pay $60 for games instead of $40. Prices are going to go up. Push all you want, but it will happen. The question is do you want to pay more upfront or optionally pay later. I’ll take the option that is optional.

Having said that, the sort of shenanigans BF2 implements is absurd and not what I am talking about at all.

DragonKnight3084d ago

"The question is do you want to pay more upfront or optionally pay later. I’ll take the option that is optional."

Present us please with the information that has led you to believe they won't just do both, because they know you'll be ready to apologize for them later.

Razzer3084d ago

Whatever it takes to get to the target profit margin, yeah. But it is a sliding scale. Obviously publishers don't want to move past that $60 threshold or they would have done so before now. Their data is probably telling them that on the front end, $60 is the price *most* are willing to pay. But this is why they have introduced tiered standard, silver, and gold type scenarios to entice higher front end purchases while still maintaining a base price. The bottom line $60 price of games has not changed in 10 years. Somewhere along the line people need to get it out of their head that this price is going to hold.

But no, I have no crystal ball. Neither do you. Just speculation and reading the tea leaves. And some common sense.

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Nyxus3084d ago

Only in free-to-play games.

Ittoittosai3084d ago (Edited 3084d ago )

Exactly. I had no problem buying some in game currency in Paladins but I will never do it in overwatch.

fiveby93084d ago

No MTs in single player full priced (retail) games. I don't like them in MP either as they either mess up game balance or become a constant annoyance. They can be immersion breaking as they always try to take every opportunity to present you with the storefront.

Mikelarry3084d ago

I will keep saying this MTx in full retail game shouldn't be a thing, if you want MTx in your game or the company cant survive without MTx then make it free to play

maybelovehate3084d ago (Edited 3084d ago )

Unless they are games that require servers that need to be maintain over long periods, that sounds fair. For games that have active servers for years though, they need a way to monetize or we won't have games like that.

Kyosuke_Sanada3084d ago (Edited 3084d ago )

You are right, I remember games like Demon Souls, Counter Strike: Source and Days Of Defeat needing tons of microtransactions to be online for this long..........

MunchMiller003084d ago

It's call overhead. If you can't support your game's servers, stay away from online game design. Quite simple.

What's next? We gonna be expected to pick up the tab for their janitorial services directly too? Someone has to pay for it, may as well be the customer directly, right? Get a clue.

maybelovehate3084d ago

@Ky: Demon Souls servers are closing. Counter Strike has MT Passes... So yeah.

@Munch. They are supporting them. Through MT's. And yes, the people using the services should pay for them. Duh.

TheVetOfGaming3084d ago

Because the big companies that sell millions of games and get billions in revenue really need even more, right? Hahaha what a joke of a thing to say. It's the biggest publishers that are pushing this garbage.

DragonKnight3084d ago

"Demon Souls servers are closing."

After 9 years and interest waned, not because of expenses. And there are rumours that it's due to a remaster. So your point is not served. Demon's Souls, a 9 year old game that most people stopped playing with each successive Souls release, was able to maintain servers for those numbers of years WITHOUT predatory cash grabs. Please explain how they did so if the gaming industry is ever on the verge of imminent collapse due to bankruptcy.

SegaGamer3084d ago

@maybelovehate. What the hell are you talking about ? Online servers have stayed open for years without the need for microtransactions, and like others have said, if they can't keep an online server open without nickel-and-diming people, then maybe they shouldn't get into that business. I wonder what your excuse will be when games with microtransactions have their server's closed.....which is something EA do with their EA sports titles quite often. Server's don't stay open or close because of microtransactions, it's all about how many people are playing the game.

maybelovehate3083d ago

@SegaGamer: True, some of them have monthly subs or some other form to make money instead of MT's. But they all charge. It is a business. They aren't going to make a game that cost the same as other and continues support without getting more money. It would be financially irresponsible.

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Summons753084d ago

Nowhere, they belong nowhere. You want microtransactions stick to candy crush and let the real gamers play their real games.

TheVetOfGaming3084d ago

I'd love to hear a response from the two people who think Candy Crush is a gamers game.

Tru_Blu3084d ago

Maybe my mom got on N4G, last I saw she was pretty into candy crush.

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