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Does Xbox One X really improve loading times? We did some testing to find out

Windows Central: "Microsoft boasts a “50 percent faster” hard drive on Xbox One X, over standard models. But what does this actually mean in real-world scenarios? We take a look."

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Bigpappy3100d ago (Edited 3100d ago )

Couple of things WC did not take into consideration here. In most cases, The X1X version is almost or exceeding double the size of the X1s version. GTA test is an example of a game that is the same sive on both (not enhanced).Next is that the biggest complaint isn't usually about how long it take a game to boot from the time you click the icon, albeit very important also, but the time it take to get back into a game should you die or have to load another area of the game. The X is very strong in all of these area's when compared to the S. It is so obvious when playing, you notice it rightaway.

TankCrossing3100d ago (Edited 3100d ago )

Coming from PC, the load times are sometimes jarringly bad.

I'd quite like to see a fresh breakdown of how internal and external drives compare on the X. I heard about a 50% increase in bandwidth from the HDD, and there was a Digital Foundry look at one game that recommended installing to the internal drive. I can't imagine an uplift in bandwidth really offsets the slow speed of the drive, but it'd be nice to know how they compare.

Of course I'm far too lazy to look into it myself :p

maybelovehate3099d ago

Depends on the PC and whether it is using a Solid State drive. The bandwidth on the X isn't the issue this time, it is just the slower hard drive compared to what is typically found in a gaming PC. If you wanted to swap out the Internal Drive with a Solid State Drive the performance will be better. However a PC still has an advantage since it can use much better compression techniques depending on how good your CPU is.

TankCrossing3099d ago

Well yeah I'm referring specifically to the PCs I use. That's implicit when I'm talking about my own experience...

ProjectVulcan3099d ago (Edited 3099d ago )

It's a fact that larger external drives are faster than the internal one used in most models of Xbox One. There are several tests around where external drives have been tested and shave lots of time off various games that can take advantage of it.

It's not much to do with anything other than the HDD performance, which varies wildly dependent on the drive itself.

Here are various drives versus the original 500GB model. https://www.youtube.com/wat... It's a long video (clearly to prove the tests are legit) but you can easily skip to the results.

Needless to say if you have a decent external drive already connected and launch most games off that it'll be faster than average.

TankCrossing3099d ago

@ProjectVulcan that's why it struck me as odd when digital foundry recommended installing to the internal drive for better performance/less hitching.

That claim from a reputable source warrants fresh benchmarks.

Captain_Tom3099d ago (Edited 3099d ago )

Bingo.

I have an SSHD in my LAUNCH PS4, and I have never seen load times as bad as the ones shown in this benchmark. Usually 15-30 seconds. Slower than my PC (With SSD raid lol), but definitely acceptable.

Then again you can't upgrade the XBOX's internal harddrive, and the XBX still uses Sata II!

mikeslemonade3099d ago (Edited 3099d ago )

50% makes it as fast as PS4. When I did have a Xbox one it was about 50% slower than PS4.

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VINNIEPAZ3099d ago

And your point Mike? Nobody is even talking about the PS4. You PS fan girls still get this sensitive if anything good is said about anything except the mighty Sony brand that loves you so Much? Wow

kevnb3100d ago (Edited 3100d ago )

i wish sony marketed the pro like microsoft, instead they sent out a mixed message that made people feel like it wasnt needed and only the most hardcore should even consider it. Cerny reminded me of scientists talking about global warming, just didnt appear confident or assertive while microsoft pr did a great job of telling us why we needed the x.

cfc833099d ago

People at xbox said it wasn't for everyone. However, it has been marked as if it is for everyone. I suspect many are waiting for a price drop, and/or a 4k tv.

kevnb3099d ago (Edited 3099d ago )

you have to admit they marketed the x a whole lot better than the pro. I mean some of the marketing for the x has been quite shady, but they are trying.

Tazzy3099d ago

I think they expected people to just make the 4k jump to the Xbox One X but now that it does checkerboarding I don't see many people jumping on the option to have one especially with nothing but enhanced games for it. I see a price drop at e3 2018 and the 4k thing really hasn't taken off yet I mean 1080p was great games looked awesome Uncharted for PS4 look awesome. I'll give you an agree because they are making it seem like everyone has to own the Xbox One X.

darthv723099d ago

"the 4k thing really hasn't taken off yet"... did you not see the crap load of deals for 4k tv's this past week??? It would be amazing if there was not a full shift to 4k after this xmas. So many people snatching up tv's left, right and center and NONE of the ones on sale were your 1080p ones either. They were ALL 4k.

4k movies were on sale as well as players. 2018 will be the year of 4k and the X will be ready to play. I feel Sony may have to reveal their PS5 sooner than expected as a result of 4k adoption rate increases.

LateNightThirst3099d ago (Edited 3099d ago )

4K TVs are at the $200 range, its not nearly as impossible for the general mass to buy them as the Harvard Business analysts on N4G want you to believe. 4K media/gaming is the thing and Microsoft has the far more appealing 4K product on the market.

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DillyDilly3099d ago

I wonder how many people picked the PS4 Slim over the PS4 Pro on Black Friday because the PS4 Slim was cheaper & gotta factor in those that do not have a 4K TV to take advantage of the Pro / One X

DJStotty3099d ago

You can take advantage of the X without the need for a 4k tv. I dont have a 4k tv but still get games with enhanced assets and 60 fps. Native 4k mode downsamples to 1080p tv's and the image is clearer/sharper than native 1080p/900p

Tazzy3099d ago

I personally think all the consoles that came out should have stuck with 1080p like I said above people aren't going to run out and buy a console thats $500 plus a 4k tv just to play games that look better. I'm sure the PS4 Slim sold millions for $199 and amazing games coming to it thats a great deal and dropping the Xbox One S to I think $189 was a mistake people will choose PS4 over that because of the games they have out and that are incoming.

darthv723099d ago

4k tv's were a huge hit this holiday. 2018 will be big for 4k adoption. 55" 4k at wal-mart for under $400... damn i want one.

Immorals3099d ago

I bought a pro over a slim as it wasn't much more. Don't even own a 4k TV.

spreadlove3099d ago

So far it is a 4:1 ratio of PS4 Slim and seeing price drops on PS4 Pro, while Xbox One X is out, I suspect that ratio might take a bigger hit in favor of PS4 Slim.

KillBill3099d ago

@Immorals - How do you consider the Pro not that much more than the Slim when they were $200 difference in the prices this last weekend? You could have bought 2 Slims for the price of a Pro.

@spreadlove - the ratio was actually closer to 5:1 and that was only since Pro started selling.

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thisismyaccount3099d ago

Mixed messages like

- PS4 Pro is not a competitor to the X ... the only "True 4K Machine"
- the "it will have VR, da bestest of VR" to ... "we won´t have VR for now or never" .. maybe with the cloud the X will get that VR support. Something a 2TF PS4 has no issue with at all ...

"And MS did a great job at ...." .. they actaully didnt. The best they did, was that e3 teaser about "highest quality pixels never seen before" and that Phil himself admitted it was not meant for everyone. That´s about it ... and that paid Digital Foundry video about HDR /shrug,.

maybelovehate3099d ago (Edited 3099d ago )

I just wish Sony made the Pro actually play games at 4k.

@dreue: what choice do you have. Sony doesn't have an option to play games at 4k. All you can do is suck it up and be happy. Money was already spent. Personally I didn't buy the Pro because when the specs came out I knew right away it wouldn't be able to actually handle 4k gaming. It just isn't built well.

dreue3099d ago

this is the thing,im happy with what i have,i have the pro and 4k tv,but lets be honesty 4k will be a thing in the next gen of consoles,im still very happy with the games that sony show(all of them looks great and hope to play great) so again i dont see this as a problem....

DrumBeat3099d ago

Agreed, but I want to play PlayStation games at the best res possible. I'm a videophile like that. Bring on dat image quality. That said, Sony dropped the ball with Pro. Not powerful enough. Not near.

Goldby3099d ago

It does 4k tho on multiple games

Goldby3099d ago

http://www.eurogamer.net/am...

So you are saying digital foundry lied? The same company that praises the one x for its acheivements.

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dreue3099d ago

well sony does not lie,and again ps4 pro is just a mid gen,to be honesty if you dont have a 4k tv,dont even bother,also all runs quite fine on the normal ps4....so i dont see it a problem,because they show us games( and we gamers want that) while MS is doing the best to say that Xbox x is a must if you want to enjoy gaming,wich i think it is a lie as well....but ya that is just me....dont get me wrong please.

badz1493099d ago

"i wish sony marketed the pro like microsoft, instead they sent out a mixed message that made people feel like it wasnt needed and only the most hardcore should even consider it."

and sound like they are trying their best to alienate their current userbase or future slim buyers (their bread and butter) like what MS is doing? I don't think that's a good idea moving forward with the PS4.

MS now seems like they can't breath without mentioning the X. they keep sending messages on how they have the most powerful console on the market, true 4K and so on...but it seems like they are trying their best to make people forget that they also still have the worst version of multiplats around with the original xbone and the S. those people are left out while MS is the one claiming this is not a new gen!

whereas Sony is sending a message that says "your old PS4 and cheaper PS4 Slim will be able to play these games at 1080p but if you're looking to play them best on you shiny UHD TV with HDR, there's the Pro"

Sony is not in the rush to sell the Pro IMO unlike MS who desperately needs the X to spark a light on their unspectacular showing this gen. although I think they messed it up still by not having any exclusive

rainslacker3099d ago

It's not even the potential future customers of the X1S. It's the current user base I feel they are neglecting, and seem more than willing to not even address the concerns that group has....at least with anything more substantial than, "we'll have something to show in a few years".

MS marketing of the X1X is kind of insulting to me as an X1X owner. While I've never been overly fond of MS, I've never had a problem with Xbox, and right now, I just don't like seeing MS neglect it's current user base, because I've watched MS do this so many times in the past right before they prematurely cut support for things they didn't want to support anymore.

It's great that the X1X is the most powerful console, and that it can play the best version of multi-plats. Now I want to know what MS is going to bring to me as an OGX1 owner. I spent $350 on the system. I want more compelling content. I want MS to get it's head out of it's ass and stop deflecting a lot of people's concerns. I want to give MS more money by buying software.....they just aren't giving me much reason to, so I certainly don't see the appeal of giving them more money on hardware when they haven't proven they can handle support for a single console since QB released.

cfc833099d ago

I think it has been marketed alot better. I think the internet helped aswell. The most vocal of people seem obsessed with power, and it catches on. Great, now the xbox X needs games to eat. Read dead redemption 2 and Sea of thieves will be a great starting point. Needs more exclusives though.

Pantz3099d ago

Agreed so much. Sony doesn't even have an official list of enhanced Pro games and what their features are. I love my Pro but I'm not sure if Sony does.

Skankinruby3099d ago

Sony was honest, Microsoft was desperate, huge difference. These mid gen upgrades have made little to no difference in the big picture. Just a little fine tuning to tickle the ears of tech enthusiasts but Microsoft are trying to treat the X as if it's a next gen console and it's not even close. I bought the pro because it runs the VR better, but sony is smart to not put too much stock in the pro and just have it there as an option so people don't get carried away with a false notion that the X is now demolishing playstation in performance like some of the idiots on these posts would so desperately like you to believe.

2pacalypsenow3099d ago (Edited 3099d ago )

Sony doesn't want to alienate the original PS4 crowd by just focusing on the Pro.

Which is why I think mid gen upgrade are retarded, just go all out and start a new generation and only focus on the new hardware.

Rude-ro3099d ago

You do not need the pro for this gen.
That is the point. Sony released a cost effective console that enhances ps4 games for the current small 4K market of tv’s in the living rooms/gaming rooms of gamers.
The Xbox is struggling to survive in the gaming market period. That is a huge difference.
Microsoft is also not a gaming company and therefore their target is going after those consumers that only care about Microsoft products and third party games.
Ie Microsoft is spending more money on hardware and the sales pitch in hopes to revitalize their place in the current market.
The only thing they can do is go after “power” in their advertising.
You do have to realize that Microsoft’s biggest income is marketing and advertising mixed with their very own media partners.
The thing is, only partnerships and money controls advertising and what the majority of the gaming media will inform you on.
It is not Sony’s fault that gaming sites cover only a quarter of the games released on their console, or that the media sites that downplayed the power of the ps4 vs the Xbox One... that is a controlled atmosphere zingy through money and partnerships.

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Xx_Pistol_xX3099d ago

I think that they want to pro to be an option not like the X which is more like a new console.

spreadlove3099d ago

To be fair, that is because the PS4 Pro is a confused offering. It isn't really a true 4k device and it's messaging reflect this. Nor does it have UHD Blu-Ray drive as Sony cut corners. It's performance is just a notch above PS4 Slim, and it struggles to get great support from first party.

Older games aren't improved either unless you are willing to put up with wonky and on your own risk boost mode. The thing is super loud too and just overall oozes cheap for double the price.

MoonConquistador3099d ago

It's the one part of gaming that MS do trump Sony at is marketing.

Sony let's the system and it's games do the talking. MS will tell you anything to sell you a system, and yes as you alluded to yourself below, some of it is shady (eg untrue claims right through to shameful bare faced lying)

rainslacker3099d ago (Edited 3099d ago )

Don't think Sony needed to spend excessive marketing dollars on trying to convince the small market that would likely be most interested in the PS4P to buy the system. Sony know's where it's audience is, and made sure they knew about it. Everyone else can just ask at the store, or find the numerous articles online about it if they see the two different versions and wonder what the difference is. No doubt, this would be more than sufficient.

MS, OTOH, spend God knows how much on marketing the X1X in lieu of almost everything else. They are desperately trying to get as much attention as possible with the system, and the system is aimed at the same market as the PS4P.

I'm not really sure what more Sony could have accomplished by talking about it more, and I didn't really see a mixed message. They consistently said it was a more powerful PS4P, and explained what it was capable of. Their 4K talk is in the same vein as all other 4K marketing nowadays, which is convoluted and confusing for the average consumer....but that's the same with MS.

Overall, what I think Sony focused their message on was that they had all these games coming only to PS. They didn't want to separate the two systems, which is how I feel MS is marketing their system. MS has barely mentioned the OGX1/S since they announced the X1X. While they have the games for that system still, they seem more than happy to have people forget that it exists, even though they know it'll still sell the most. It defies logic, because MS still needs to sell as many systems as possible, so you'd think they'd be more into marketing the brand, and not the newest part of the brand.

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TheColbertinator3099d ago

The results are in and the X is a winner

Tazzy3099d ago

Winner by a few seconds compared to the Xbox One S??? If it was 25-30 seconds faster I'd say it was a winner but 7- 13 seconds isn't a big deal.

shiva13099d ago

By a milli second.... It's still a winner. Admit or get out of this topic

OC_MurphysLaw3099d ago

and yet...its still an improvement on all accounts so yes..its the winner.

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Tazzy3099d ago (Edited 3099d ago )

@shiva1 Its not a winner big deal a few seconds shorter than the Xbox One S the so called most powerful console should be a lot faster than that I won't get off this topic I have an opinion just like everyone else and its to bad if you don't like what I say.

@Dlacy13g Its not a huge improvement if it was games would load a hell of alot faster on Xbox One X being that its a few times more powerful than Xbox One S.

@XMessiah23x The only thing is if the Xbox One X is so powerful it should load games a hell of alot faster than what it does a few seconds isn't anything whats 12 more seconds to wait for a game to load??

spreadlove3099d ago

Actually 7-13 seconds is a lot over multiple times, or if the total load time is normally 30s, because that is what half the time?

Enjoigamin3099d ago

You sound upset....im sorry.

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chris2353099d ago

really. i would be totally ready to leave the 4pro to get a xoxbox. i am digital only since ps3 times and the loading times from sony‘s hdd is excruciatingly painful. loading games and save files feel like years. something i find totally annoyong in 2017y

dreue3099d ago

do that man,you are free.but if just stop playing ps4 you will miss a lot of great games...

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spreadlove3099d ago

There are some great games indeed, but let's face it. There is a massive amount of great content right now so there is no lack of games in general. That's the great thing about mid cycle upgrade.

TankCrossing3099d ago

But on the PS4 you can change the internal drive for an SSD. Combine that with the fact that the X is likely to be loading a lot more (for games that actually utilise the extra RAM), and I'd expect the SSD-equipped Pro to come away with a decent load time advantage more often than not.

Cueil3099d ago

Much less than you would think since it's still using sata 2

TankCrossing3099d ago

I'm not sure the Pro is using Sata II, but even if it is it should see bandwidth of about 375MB/Sec. Not the full potential of the SSD, but a vast improvement over the <100MB/sec of the 5400RPM mechanical.

Gamist2dot03099d ago

Sata III is in the back of the Pro.

XStation4pio_Pro3099d ago (Edited 3099d ago )

The crazy thing is it’s doing this WHILE loading higher res assets than base harder... bigger files. The proof to how much faster this actually ends up being is in the non-patched GTA5 load times. Significant decrease as it’s not loading 4k textures and higher poly geometry. The average load increases are not as crazy but again loading double the amount in less time. Imagine that in reverse with the One S or PS4. It would triple load times.

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Final Fantasy X 25th Anniversary Website Launches With New Nomura Artwork and Merchandise

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-Foxtrot26d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle26d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7726d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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Relientk7730d ago

I remember playing this back in the day on PS2. What a sick game!

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Outside_ofthe_Box31d ago (Edited 31d ago )

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster300031d ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv7231d ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

S2Killinit30d ago

The fans didn’t tell them to go multilat. MS was forced to after the 82 billion they spent to destroy gaming. Then, while xbox fans cheered, MS realized they can’t justify the price tag by selling through xbox only, so they went multiplat and in the process began to downplay console gaming.

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CrashMania31d ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

S2Killinit30d ago

They will do what they always do, they will promise the world at the beginning of next GEN and then failed to deliver all generation long. But there will always be some gamers who will buy into their promises.

ocelot0730d ago

Absolutely agree, Do people genuinely believe Microsoft are now going to go. Hang on how's about we go back to 2020. Then GP was stagnating, Games sold where awful because of GP. Outsold by Playstation by a landslide.

They have sold 5m of Forza I believe on PS5. Spite it being a old game. I think Starfield is going to sell well in the end. Halo is deffinetly going to sell well as is Fable and Forza Horizon 6.

I think at best (for Xbox fans). Single player titles like Clockwork will have a timed exclusivity. Multiplayer centric games like Forza, E Day will release day and date on all platforms.

Or all games will release on all platforms day and date. But maybe Xbox and Windows Store copies will have exclusive bonuses. Or may even get timed exclusive dlc like Fallout and Elder Scrolls and COD use to do.

I think they will treat Xbox players like the premium customers or at least act the way. But will serve just the Playstation and Switch 2 customers as well.

Neonridr31d ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box31d ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Neonridr31d ago

@Outside - possibly, but it might push people to want Xbox hardware so they can play with their buddies day one.

Who knows.

S2Killinit30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

it would but remember doing that can splinter the COD fan base and in the process damage the call of duty brand which is probably the only franchise in that $82 billion purchase that in anyway gets even close to delivering what Microsoft thought they bought. If Microsoft fudges around too much with the COD franchise, you might even see a competitor franchise show up on the scene and that would be a catastrophe after the huge debt that Microsoft put itself into with the ABK purchase.

But Its almost guaranteed that Microsoft will want to do something drastic at the beginning of the next generation as they always do. We will see.

Pyrofire9531d ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv7231d ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

S2Killinit30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

A lot of their base left for greener (bluer?) pastures.

--Onilink--31d ago

What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

Outside_ofthe_Box31d ago (Edited 31d ago )

I agree. I mean once they went multiplat, in theory there should be no going back especially when you have games that have sold really well on other platforms.

Microsoft are the ones that announced that they are reevaluating. So I'm just guessing on what their end goal is. Right now Xbox as a hardware is not a must buy for anyone but fans of the brand because their games can be played elsewhere. Going exclusive would solve this, but you lose out on a ton of money instantly which has always been what the company does not want to do so not really sure what their "reevaluating exclusives" means unless they are pulling a Phil Spencer and are just saying what people want to hear and will continue to do what they are currently doing.

darthv7231d ago

Their ports to PS5 are selling because Sony's output has been so dry... the fans are thirsty, and MS is the oasis.

SIdepocket31d ago

Unfortunately, the studios they buy wither under their leadership.

mcstorm31d ago

Microsoft still has a name with Xbox the issue is the casual games are not looking at the console because its not the same console their friends have. Look at that poll on how many users upgraded from xbox 365 to one and then the X. Part of Microsoft's downfall was thinking that the Wii was the market they had to be in when really it was the core market. If you get the core gamers you then get the market to. As I posted a few minuets ago on another post Microsoft putting exclusives on PS this gen could bold well if they hit next gen with all our games are staying exclusive from this new gen. They will then get gamers wanting Halo, Forza Gears but this is also where Microsoft fell over with the xbox one and X in terms of they did not have may quality 1st party games affter they fell into the Gears, Forza and Halo cycle. If they can get some old IPs back to bring back the old core gamers as well as fresh ips to bring in new gamers things could improve next gen. But as I said in my last post its all if buts and maybes at the moment. No one knows if the next home consoles will be to expensive that people move to pc as we are now seeing or look at the stem deck as a cheepier alternitive.

DarXyde31d ago

"Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box."

That's very optimistic. It's not the only issue, far from it. There is a serious rupture between Microsoft generally and the public caused by their weird Game Pass price fluctuations, taking down physical game space in stores, and being the first to go nuts on hardware price hikes that they themselves played a big part in.

They're also charging beyond a premium for Helix which is just vile at a time when the economy is in shambles.

The company itself is really not doing itself any favors with the approach they're taking Windows. Even France is looking to ditch Windows in favor of Linux.

But the most offensive thing is this AI push. They're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the very technology they're using to replace a considerable proportion of their workforce... And the slap in the face is how they bake copilot into everything when nobody likes it—they couldn't even make Bing stick, so why on earth are they trying so hard? You know it's bad when people would rather use ChatGPT than Copilot which is killing their OS. But aside from their snatching up of farmland to build data centers (and reduce the agriculture capacity of whichever country allows them to build them), they made an AI-generated gamer gurl that loves AI the head of Xbox.

Even if we grant them the full benefit of the doubt, it hardly matters what Xbox wants to do if Nadella says no, and that includes exclusive games. Microsoft's relationship with Xbox is the opposite of Sony's relationship with PlayStation—Microsoft pulls the reins of Xbox, but Sony damn near went under for the PS3.

Tanktopmaster9230d ago (Edited 30d ago )

“If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it.”

Great strategy, especially after Forza selling 5 million on PlayStation and sea of thieves selling at least another million (2 million) for example. In March 2026, Xbox consoles sales ratio vs PS was 10:1.

In addition to that, with Gamepass, which unequivocally cuts out chunks of sales (Cannibalizing revenue from 1st month sales especially).

I’m sure going exclusive again after releasing everything on Ps5 is going to work out great for business.

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maximusprime_31d ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted31d ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania31d ago (Edited 31d ago )

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

S2Killinit30d ago

Sony PlayStation has deservedly dominated xbox. Facts

Tanktopmaster9230d ago (Edited 30d ago )

Ok tween.

Xbox series SX got outsold 10:1 last month. lol.

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shadowT31d ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers31d ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz14931d ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

ocelot0730d ago

Agreed and I think that's where they are going to focus on more. I think cheaper games on Windows/Xbox store (MS IP) compared to Steam and Epic and maybe even compared to PSN store as well.

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