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Xbox One X Performs Like High-End PC, Dev Says

"I'm gonna wanna play all my console games on an Xbox One X for the foreseeable future," says Super Lucky's Tale developer Paul Bettner.

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AspiringProGenji3043d ago

I’ll believe when I see it running Overwatch at stable 144FPS with epic settings

TankCrossing3043d ago

Overwatch? Really? Of all the games to choose as a graphical showcase, you're going with Overwatch?

Skull5213042d ago

I think my iPhone 7 plays Overwatch at 600 FPS on ludicrous settings....

4Sh0w3042d ago

Yeah I was like Overwatch? I mean we don't need 144fps, but while Overwatch looks pretty with its art style it ain't no graphics show case. lol

Timesplitter143042d ago (Edited 3042d ago )

@4Sh0w
"I mean we don't need 144fps"

Oh my. Wait until you start playing games at 144 fps on a regular basis... Since I started doing that, I can't even go back to 60 fps anymore. 144 fps feels like an avalanche of fluidity and responsiveness assaulting your brain. It instantly makes games 2x more fun to play. It makes games so tight and responsive that playing at 60 fps feels like your CPU is submerged in molasses in comparison.

The funny thing is I'm sure when 300 fps monitors come out, 144 fps will feel just as bad as 60 fps feels to me now, and just as bad as 30 fps feels to any reasonable person now. But at 300 fps I think we'll be starting to reach the point where human eyes can't really tell the difference anymore

bluefox7553042d ago

@Time We already have. I've seen tests on Linus Tech Tips that show that most pro gamers can't tell the difference between 60fps and 120fps. There is a huge diminishing return after 60, which really seems to be the magic number as far as cost/performance ratio goes. Obviously 60 is a huge leap over 30, but 120 isn't such a big leap from 60. https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Timesplitter143042d ago (Edited 3042d ago )

"I've seen tests on Linus Tech Tips that show that most pro gamers can't tell the difference between 60fps and 120fps"

well then Clickbait Tech Tips (and most pro gamers) must get their eyes checked because the difference is like night and day. I've seen it with my own eyes on my 144hz monitor. I've made test games that had a key to switch the framerate cap from 30 to 60 to 144 and it makes all the difference in the world.

You also have to keep in mind that the difference is way more flagrant when you're actually playing, than when you're just looking at a video

bluefox7553042d ago (Edited 3042d ago )

@Time Edit- Supposed to be "average gamer", not Pro. I have not seen any tests with Pro gamers. That being said, it's not clickbait at all, it's a very large and well respected tech publication. Also, I'm not talking about watching videos. They test by having them play a game at 60 and 120, and seeing if they can guess which one the game is actually running at. You don't really think the jump from 60 to 120 is anywhere near as drastic as the jump from 30 to 60, right?

TheOptimist3042d ago

And Super Lucky's Tale is a graphical powerhouse? AHAHAHAHA

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Lennoxb633043d ago

It's been 3 or 4 gens since devs stopped prioritizing frame rate. Continuing to bring it up console articles is stupid.

MadLad3042d ago

Said "console article" is comparing the console to a high-end PC.
High-end PC is able to handle insane resolutions AND framerate, simultaneously.

So when a developer makes such claims as the One X operates to that of a high-end PC, we are allowed to call the statement into question as to why it doesn't hold up to a PC even around the $1000 or less mark. Let alone an actually "high-end" PC. Sorry to take a stab at your ideals.

Think before you speak.

OoglyBoogly3042d ago (Edited 3042d ago )

@SlapHappyJesus

I don't get the disagree's you're getting. If they say "high-end" then it needs to be high-end. If they mean the Xbox One X compares more to a higher end mid tier PC that would be correct.

ESPECIALLY considering the CPU...the GPU is ~GTX 1070 level or so (again, not high-end but damn good) but the CPU is on the level of a super low clocked Intel i5...if that.

fathertime44643042d ago

Devs only go 60fps for concols because of the refresh rate of today's tv's.

MadLad3042d ago

@Oogly

It's N4G.
Where the PS4 is a high-end PC.
But then the Pro was a high-end PC.
Now the Xbox X is a high-end PC, but screw Microsoft, also PC gaming isn't a thing and is overrated because we are a console-centric site.

bluefox7553042d ago

@Slap None of the consoles ever were, nor are they now, a "high end PC". It's laughable that anyone could say that with a straight face. Most console games are limited to the bare minimum 30fps. There is nothing "high end" about that.

SierraGuy3042d ago (Edited 3042d ago )

What are you talking about. It's been 3 or 4 generations we've had 60fps. Time for an increase. Imo the higher the frame rate the more responsive the game. Less frames increase death rate especially in multiplayer.

starchild3042d ago

@SlapHappyJesus

"Where the PS4 is a high-end PC.
But then the Pro was a high-end PC.
Now the Xbox X is a high-end PC, but screw Microsoft, also PC gaming isn't a thing and is overrated because we are a console-centric site."

Well said. You summed up the attitudes of the majority of users on N4G very accurately.

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mark_parch3042d ago

but xbox one x does hold up to a $1000 pc and I would class a $1000 pc as high end

morganfell3042d ago

With that statement you have shown you know nothing about true high end PCs.

mark_parch3042d ago

@morganfell obviously some people can spend more than $1000, wasn't there an article about a year ago saying only 3% of pc gamers game in 4k. while that doesn't tell the full story about what peoples rigs cost I would argue 95% of pc gamers have a rig less than $1000 so I would say a $1000 pc can be classed as a high end pc. either way it's pretty obvious the xbox one x is amazing value money and games will look great

ProjectVulcan3042d ago (Edited 3042d ago )

It's a mid range PC. Performance with comparable quality settings about the same as an AIB Radeon RX580 or Geforce GTX1060 in the games and examples I have seen so far, mid range graphics cards.

Forza 7: 4K 60FPS. Gears of War 4: 1080p 60FPS or 4K 30. Killer instinct: 4K 60FPS. Tomb Raider: 4K unstable 30FPS or 1080 unstable 60FPS. None of these demonstrate performance or settings significantly better than what those mid range video cards have proven capable of delivering on these games the past 18 months. What would be classed as 'high end' at this present time.

GTX1060 is an 18 month old mid range video card. 6 months it'll be replaced in the mid range lineup with something a lot faster. Nvidia Volta is coming.

MadLad3042d ago

Do I need to put a build together right now to disprove that you're doing nothing but speaking out of your back end?

mark_parch3041d ago

@SlapHappyJesus I would be interested to see a full build including case, controller, cooling system, cpu, gpu, motherboard, ram, 3d 4k blu ray player, hard drive, mouse, keyboard and power supply that can run gears 4 and tomb raider native 4k 30fps with high/ultra settings

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butchertroll3042d ago

Jaguar CPU is a high-end, isn't?

Gh05t3042d ago

If the performance and benchmarks of the chip are similar to that of other CPUs then why does it matter what architecture it is based from?

"High end" is a scale based on performance measurements not a date or model measurement.

AAWELLS093042d ago (Edited 3042d ago )

Performs LIKE a "high end" PC and all at $500. I think its plenty fine to call it that and this isn't some random occurrence as its been said repeatedly over the last few months. Sure its not the tip top of high end but they aren't claiming this either. You're just splitting hairs for no reason. It seems like you take this stuff too personally and literally.

itsmebryan3042d ago

For all the haters. Would you prefer every article to say" It's much more powerful than the Pro!". That would get boring. Plus, none of you are devs so you have no idea what a Dev or this Dev considers a high end PC. So, if it makes you feel better. The X1X is much more powerful than the Pro. Does that make you feel better.

MadLad3042d ago

Then the developer would say "It's largely the strongest console on the market", or "offers far more than what Sony is at the moment". What they chose to do was word it was to say it's on par with a high-end PC, though that's not true. It's on level with today's mid-range PC's, in the sub-$1000 range. Nobody in the gaming community would consider what they see from the X was "high-end".

It's about on the level with my 3 year old PC.

masterfox3042d ago

lol overwatch, why not add Team Fortress 2 then to the challenge :D

zb1ftw7773042d ago

You've just highlighted the problem with PC gaming.

It has no decent games to show off on.

MadLad3042d ago

The only people who claim PC has no games are the ones who have no idea what the indie climate looks like on PC.
Some of the biggest names in console gaming are hip-high walled 3rd person shooters, which the majority of console gamers gave up on a decade ago due to boredom.

starchild3042d ago

How can you say that? The PC gets more games than any other platform and has plenty of great games to show off.

XStation4pio_Pro3042d ago (Edited 3042d ago )

I love how pc gamers always break in on articles about consoles to whip their d**k’s out. No console user cares about your rig. If they did, they’d be reading pc articles. It’s a conversation about developing on a specific console and how it compares to a pc (which everyone knows can be the most powerful - hence the pointlessness of your comment). Let’s talk about performance from a cost perspective. A relatively high powered machine for at least half or a third of the cost of a pc equivalent.

You wanna compare cars next since context doesn’t matter? Mines real fast.

Imalwaysright3042d ago (Edited 3042d ago )

"I love how pc gamers always break in on articles about console"

Scroll up and see what this article is about. Do you feel stupid now? I would.

MadLad3042d ago

Compares the X to a high-end PC, then claims it has nothing to do with PC gaming.
Then ends his statement talking about context.

Did some fail grade school level English?

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starchild3042d ago

@balancetotheforce

Great comment. A lot of the people pretending to be PC gamers and using its technical superiority to downplay certain consoles are really just console fanboys in disguise. They shouldn't be taken seriously and certainly don't represent PC gamers as a whole.

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trainsgofast3042d ago (Edited 3042d ago )

144FPS why? So it was XB1X can't do 60FPS now it's 144FPS, keep moving up that goal post.

Christopher3042d ago

I usually stay out of these things, but the fact is that graphics are reaching a plateau of advancement, it's not exponential growth anymore. There's also the fact that CPU use in games on PC require a lot more due to a huge lack of optimization that the optimized console environments are able to do similar enough to PC outside of the "best." There's also the fact that gaming concepts themselves are hitting a plateau, we're not advancing concepts like we used to. Partially due to the huge focus on consoles, sadly, which advance very slow compared to actual hardware.

So, I would agree that the X is pretty equivalent to a bottom end high end gaming PC. Even more is it gets there without the pricetag and with the smallest Xbox console.

I would paint the Pro as a top end middle end gaming PC.

freshslicepizza3042d ago

"So, I would agree that the X is pretty equivalent to a bottom end high end gaming PC.

I would paint the Pro as a top end middle end gaming PC."

That makes no sense.

Christopher3042d ago (Edited 3042d ago )

I question your knowledge of pc if that confuses you. You do realize there is a bottom and top to each range of PCs, right? It's not just all high end and equal from there.

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Low end

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Middle end

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High end

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Both are close to the dot between middle end and high end. XBO X has the RAM and GPU to push it over to high end comparable range, both are held back by CPU.

freshslicepizza3042d ago (Edited 3042d ago )

@Christopher
"I question your knowledge of pc if that confuses you. You do realize there is a bottom and top to each range of PCs, right? It's not just all high end and equal from there."

Then why is a PS4 Pro comparable from mid to high end while the XB1X is comparable to a high end all the way down to bottom end? I question your knowledge of what bottom end PC gaming is. A better argument would be the Xbox family which would cover a higher spectrum of users comparable to the PC since the original Xbox One is lower end than the PS4.

Yes the CPU is held back but again the XB1X eclipses the Pro in this area as well. You also have to factor in it comes with 12GB of ram at a much faster memory bandwidth speeds.

Christopher3041d ago

***Then why is a PS4 Pro comparable from mid to high end while the XB1X is comparable to a high end all the way down to bottom end?***

Because the differences in power between the pro and X aren't as vast as people make them out to be. The big difference is truly support and the extra RAM and that's it.

I guess if you think the X is somehow *way* more advanced than the pro you would be confused, but you would also be wrong.

freshslicepizza3039d ago

@Christopher
"Because the differences in power between the pro and X aren't as vast as people make them out to be. The big difference is truly support and the extra RAM and that's it."

It;s more powerful, that's really all that needs to be said on the subject so even if its marginal (according to you) that still doesn't explain why the XB1X now also represents the bottom end of PC while the Pro doesn't.

"I guess if you think the X is somehow *way* more advanced than the pro you would be confused, but you would also be wrong."

Well we will soon see won't we? Digital Foundry seems rather impressed.

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OffRoadKing3042d ago

No its not but keep telling yourself that.

ClanPsi13042d ago

If it did everything a PC could do, it would be a killer deal. Unfortunately it only plays XBoner games, which all suck...

Robcha3042d ago

Its a better deal than the pro at 400

OoglyBoogly3042d ago

@Robcha

Depends on your definition of "better deal".

If ALL you care about is third party games then, sure, for an extra Benjamin it might be worth it for the graphics...but outside that I don't see how the X1X is worth it over the Pro.

MadLad3042d ago

As a PC gamer, it's a nice machine at $500.

LastCenturyRob3042d ago

explain why you think is not a good deal.

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NoPeace_Walker3043d ago (Edited 3043d ago )

"I'm gonna wanna play all my console games on an Xbox One X for the foreseeable future," 
Say developer.

I think many gamers will also be doing the same thing too. Why settle for lesser quality on your 4K TV or even 1080p TV for that matter.

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SpaceRanger3043d ago

“Why settle for lesser quality on your 4K TV or even 1080p TV for that matter.”

There’s a whole fanbase that you could ask that has been doing that for the last few years now with a console that was also $500.

Ausbo3042d ago

You’re right, but the gap between the vanilla PS4 and Xbox one is much smaller than that of the X v. Pro

DialgaMarine3042d ago (Edited 3042d ago )

@Ausbo It doesn’t matter; you spend the last 4 years talking about how 720p is just as good as 1080p, only to suddenly change face when you get the opportunity to spend $500 more on slightly better hardware, you’ve already exposed yourself for not being a gamer, but rather someone who’s simply infatuated with a brand name.

And on the note of “everyone only wants to play with the best hardware!”, please explain Switch, and why you all don’t simply move to PC? Fave it, consoles are, and always have been, about two things: exclusives and price of convenience. Multiplayer performance has always taken a backseat to which console people are more likely to buy the multiplats for. If that weren’t true, PS2 would’ve failed as a console, and millions of people wouldn’t have purchased multiplats on PS3.

hamburgerhill3042d ago

Yeah and when Xbox and Xbox 360 (in many cases) were more powerful visuals didnt matter either. Even at the launch of this generation Xone had the games it was ignored. Basically what I'm saying s if you're going to attack 1 group you should be attacking the others as well.

LastCenturyRob3042d ago

@ DialgaMarine... Seems you and Ausbo are not Bff's, so I won't go there... But, the differences between the X and he Pro go much further than just resolution where that was the primary difference between same versions of games on the Xbox One and PS4. The X is looking to not only deliver higher res overall but significantly better texture quality lighting and better frame rates in many games.To only bring up resolution leaves out far more of what the console offers. The difference this half gen when comparing the Pro and X are not slight. MS did a great job designing the X and delivering it an attractive price point is just another good move on their part. It's looking to be a very good console.

DialgaMarine3042d ago (Edited 3042d ago )

@LastCenturyRob I’m sure it is. I’m not arguing against X; I’m arguing against the insane level of hypocrisy and deflection it’s brought out of some people. This is just my opinion, but sharper textures and higher res is still only a slight advantage; if you play Shadow of War on X vs Pro, yes you’re going to see better textures and better frame rates, but you’re not going to be seeing a difference like say Uncharted 3 vs Uncharted 4. The versions still look relatively the same, and is not going to offer a different experience graphically. Case in point: if you have to actually look for the difference/ watch a direct comparison video, it’s not a significant difference.

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OffRoadKing3042d ago

I think many gamers will opt for the better quality of PC over an expensive console they can already play the same games for. You know sense were sharing opinions and stuff.

Robcha3042d ago

most console gamers don't want pc's you make seem like pc's are cheaper than they are

OoglyBoogly3042d ago

@Robcha

Considering sales, used hardware (if you trust it), the over all cost of games per year (I get all AAA new releases for ~$30 AT LAUNCH on PC)...no...PC can actually be cheaper.

timotim3042d ago

We kniw this isnt true just by lookimg at the Steam surveys. Most PC gamers do not use a PC that can outclass an X, yet almost all of those PCs cost those gamers more than $500...

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OffRoadKing3042d ago

@Robcha

You make it seem like everyone wants to run out and buy a five hundred dollar console to play games they can play on PC. See it isn't a matter of rather people do have those PC's, but the fact that they could and that's what hurts you the most. Just cause you cant afford it doesn't mean others cant. Thankfully Microsoft gave people the option to not buy their console.

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victorMaje6d ago

I still own those systems, and many games that were built for them.
Thank you for an amazing part of my childhood.
Rest in Peace Legend.

Agent756d ago

He joined SEGA in 1971, wow. The Mega Drive, Saturn and Dreamcast hold the best memories for me, more so the Mega Drive. Thanks for the memories, Hideki-sama.

gigoran86d ago

Sega's swan song, their best and most memorable console, the dreamcast. it will last for generations

ZycoFox6d ago

Dreamcast was a very good console, with some minor setbacks, no 2nd stick and could've used a bit more disc space. The main thing that let it down was support, the short time it was on the market it did still bring in a bunch of really good titles, if only it had another 2-3 years and more longer story based games as well as the arcade games.

I would say because of the above the Mega Drive / Genesis is probably their best, simply because of the wide range of support and amount of quality games.

Profchaos6d ago

Yeah also massive mega drive fan it's my favourite to

Loktai6d ago

there was a point in time where the DC was meant to have a MATROX gpu possibly, as well as other contenders and if it had along with a possible DVD drive and price hike it would be a totally different beast.

RaiderNation6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Yeah, I loved the Dreamcast, but massive oversight not including a right analog stick. A very strange design decision considering that dual analog was already standardized by Sony during the PS1 generation. Virtual On was literally unplayable on the controller because of it.

1nsomniac6d ago

^ I had Virtua On and loved it.. what made it unplayable?

shinXseijuro5d ago

I was 8 years old when Dreamcast came out I don’t know for other people but it was the coolest thing to me when I could go play it at my older siblings . I finally bought my own Dreamcast around 2005 , when I was in high school and was old enough to save money . Had a blast with jet set radio , sonic adventures 1&2 , shuffle , code Veronica , Power stone 1&2 , crazy taxi . House of the dead Arcade style shooter. . I even had the reindeer bot CD for burnt games . Oh and I remember lending a friend a copy of SF alpha 3 Dreamcast with the box …. Dude never gave it back to me 🤣

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Relientk776d ago

I love my Sega Genesis. I have childhood memories playing that console which will never fade.

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