it wasnt just that, it was just too expensive to make PS3 games, things got cheaper though.

Yeah I was really looking forward to True Fantasy Live Online.

@pikkon

Totally agree with you.True Fantasy Live Online looked like a sure hit

Bandai Namco already made an announcement for Tekken 6, the original T6 wont be coming out for PS3, the new version will and still a PS3 only title. I am pretty sure that the deal for the game is Sony just let Namco use the PS technology for the new arcade board like every generation so Namco won't need to spend resources into designing a arcade board and can port games back to console way quicker and effortlessly. Been like that since PS1 generation.

HAHAHHA... Craby, everytime you make me laugh, i bubble you up. But during those rare times you dont, i bubble you down.

It's called competition, which makes the business world go round. You really need to realize that.

What MS has been doing isn't competition, it's trying to get a monopoly, and the tactic has came back and bit them in the ass. You're wanting them to keep going on something that not only isn't moral, but it is something that MS won't be able to do (Level 5 hates Microsoft and MS's financial situation is less than desirable).

Again, you saying something like that as if you WANT MS to be the only console manufacturer out there is baffling and sad at the same time.

DarkPower: I meant that in a competitive way not so much eliminate Sony because well I know better. None of the 3 console manufactures are going anywhere. No Whammies!

1. Did you reply to the wrong post, lol? I've seen that alot out of alot of posters recently. Nothing wrong with it, just thought to pick on you for a moment.
2. I agree with you on every other point except the part about FFV13 going multi. We've heard before about Nomura and how much he loves the PS3. As he is one of their ace in the holes (basically their personal Kojima) who will not hesitate to go elsewhere if they don't play by the rules he's making for his games (he's not going to let anyone mess with HIS babies, i.e. KH and FFV13), and I don't think that SE will want to risk losing one of their key guys over something stupid. Unless he somehow found a holy grail in MS's console (which I highly doubt (I'm not guaranteeing anything anymore given how MS loves to try to f*ck gamers over the way they are now), since I think it was the very same article that was posted here before that said that Nomura wants nothing to do with the 360 because he loves the specs of the PS3 better and FFV13 is made with the PS3 specs in mind, a la MGS4), then FFV13 is staying PS3 exclusive.

Who really gives a sh*t about first party or third party or seventh party as long as I get the games. I don't care who makes it as long as I get to play them on my 360. And you can't deny the fact that Microsoft is doing EVERYTHING they can to make sure we get the games. You have to honor the fact that Microsoft was doing pretty poorly in Japan forever and they just kept on digging and trying to get exclusives and create better games. And its starting to show. The 360 recently beat the ps3 in the last month in total sales. That is just amazing.

I like how leon says about making new games. Well Microsoft tried that the first gen and where was everyone? Hmmm? Everyone jumped on the ps2 bandwagon, why? Games, Games, Games!

I also find hilarious that now all of a sudden that level-whatever is the new favored company just because SE has found a better alternative for them. So ONE game is going to justify them being in the same class as SE? Maybe SE is losing too much money on developing for ps3 only? Who knows. They have released 3 games on X360 already with the FOURTH coming out at year's end. They need to bring product out on the table and if sony is not helping them with the development costs on ps3 games, why should they stay loyal?

So you are telling me that it is better for a company to be loyal to one company and go belly-up than to think of a different strategy? You are blind fanboys.

All this is is history repeating itself. At leat this time though that they still make games for sony as they didn't pay the same respect for Nintendo. Oh and the small percentage that sony owns in square, I am more than confident that MS can match that and more. Just the money on exclusives was probably more.

I really don't know why sony didn't capitalize when earlier this year SE stated that they were looking for a Western company to help them expand. With games like Oblivion and Mass Effect having such a worldwide appeal, SE wants a piece of that pie as well. Can you blame them? By the time FF13 hits, how much time has that been since they released a game on ps3? 2 going on 3 years? That my friend does not pay the bills. Of course that is only since the ps3 was made available to public. They have been working on it WAY earlier especially when costs were astronomical.

I am not downplaying that ps3 doesn't have good games, but how much time, money and manpower does it take to achieve that level of greatness? A lot of developers, especially eastern developers do not have the money to stretch out a game every 5 years. MGS4 is probably one of the greatest looking CONSOLE game today but how much resources went in to it to justify the means? White Knight looks pretty good as well and co-op w/full hd is an impressive feat but you ony get one maybe 2 games this gen? That doesn't seem worth it to me. I want a vast library much like the ps2 where when I finish one game, I have others to choose from.

In all reality MS and sony switched sides this gen. Of course that the ps2 pretty much dominated all unlike this gen where it is much closer.

i bubbled you up for being an articulated fanboy!!

good points.

same with you skygamer!!!

>> I like how leon says about making new games. Well Microsoft tried that the first gen and where was everyone? Hmmm? Everyone jumped on the ps2 bandwagon, why? Games, Games, Games! <<

Not sure what you really meant here! BOTH the PS3 and the 360 (and for that matter, the Wii) has "Games, Games, Games!" The idea that a systems would actually have games is not something that was thought up by MS (or anyone else in particular, for that matter).

>> I also find hilarious that now all of a sudden that level-whatever is the new favored company just because SE has found a better alternative for them. <<

1. The name is Level 5.
2. Have you read anything about the game they are making. The 100+ hour storyline got me interested (as if I wasn't curious already).
3. SE didn't find a "better alternative". They got bribed by MS a sh!tload of money to develop for only their system or to get previously system exclusives multiplatform. It has nothing to do with them thinking that the 360 is a better system or that it would be a more financially sound decision to do so. It's because MS came to their doorstep with a blank check for them saying "as long as you don't give Sony an advantage over us, you can fill in the blanks for us." THAT'S the outrage here.

>> So ONE game is going to justify them being in the same class as SE? <<

In case you forgot, it took Squaresoft (the company name before it was SE) one game to get it out of financial disaster (it was, alas, Final Fantasy 1 back in 87, the game that would've been their last if the game didn't sell). So yeah, you're using selective reasoning here. One game CAN make ALOT of difference if the game is intriguing and fun to play, which makes THIS point moot.

>> Maybe SE is losing too much money on developing for ps3 only? Who knows. <<

See my point about about MS giving SE a blank check.

Plus, correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Square only announced FF13 games as PS3 exclusives (FF13 and Versus 13) before that E3 crap happened? What other SE PS3 exclusives are YOU thinking about?

>> They have released 3 games on X360 already with the FOURTH coming out at year's end. They need to bring product out on the table and if sony is not helping them with the development costs on ps3 games, why should they stay loyal? <<

1. And what has those games done sales wise? Besides a small spurt of 360's going out the door in Japan, those didn't do too much to change the game any. Sony is still threatening, and Nintendo isn't looking back.
2. So...is THAT what you call these bribes? Helping them with development costs? They didn't need the help before. They never had a problem with Sony before. And how do you know they wouldn't be willing to help to begin with? They helped Rockstar out with developing GTA4 on the PS3, in which their response was "we couldn't believe how simple it actually WAS". And if they need to bring product on the table...what are those handheld games they're churning out? And if a game of theirs was to stay PS3 exclusive, people would actually BUY the system the game was on (see MGS4, circa July 2008 or the upcoming LBP). It wouldn't matter what the install base actually was.

>> So you are telling me that it is better for a company to be loyal to one company and go belly-up than to think of a different strategy? You are blind fanboys. <<

It's not like SE was really hurting financially. And we're blind fanboys for having a different opinion other than the one you're making?

>> All this is is history repeating itself. At leat this time though that they still make games for sony as they didn't pay the same respect for Nintendo.<<

You're forgetting something here, though. The reasons why Square chose to be "loyal" to Sony. Nintendo decided to go cartridge for the N64, a move Square didn't like. Furthermore, relations between the two companies were REALLY bad. Square found new comfort in disc-based game development at that point, and Sony was the key player in that market at that point (Sega was falling off the radar as a game company by that point, so I don't think you can seriously counter with that if you had thought to try it). This time, there was no bad relations between SE and Sony, it's, again, just that MS bribed them to give them what they wanted. MS basically gave the emperor new clothes just so they can have it their way (there is NO OTHER REASON), and SE is not showing us, and has no intentions TO show us, the receipt for such.

>> Oh and the small percentage that sony owns in square, I am more than confident that MS can match that and more. Just the money on exclusives was probably more. <<

You also forget that MS is in some financial dire BECAUSE they've done this crap, so finding a way to keep going with all these bribes won't help THEM any anymore. So no, they can't match it. And why would you WANT them to.

>> I really don't know why sony didn't capitalize when earlier this year SE stated that they were looking for a Western company to help them expand. <<

Sony is...ahem...a JAPANESE-based company. MS is the only Western-based game console manufacturer out there, which makes that comment kind of unfair to anyone else (and if SE really said that, they REALLY put everyone else into a bit of a hole that they couldn't do anything about). Yeah, there is SCEA, but there were other things (like, say, the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD war that was going on earlier this year and MS has all that money to just bribe and bribe and bribe EVERYONE with) that Sony was investing money in (do you really think Sony just LET Rockstar develop GTA4 for the 360?)

>> With games like Oblivion <<

Which is, along with it's Shivering Isles expansion, also on the PS3.

>> and Mass Effect having such a worldwide appeal<<

Mass Effect is a game which is HIGHLY rumored to be going multiplatform very soon, and with MS tightening up their purse strings, you can bet that the ME trilogy isn't going to stay all MSs much longer.

>> SE wants a piece of that pie as well.<<

Or they wanted that money that MS was bribing them

>> Can you blame them? By the time FF13 hits, how much time has that been since they released a game on ps3? 2 going on 3 years? <<

This was NOT Sony's fault. Why do you keep going back to this as if this was any fault of Sony's that SE didn't release any games on the PS3 yet? Sony was not doing anything to try to hurt SE in ANY way, shape, or form. SE got bribed, they took the new clothes, and now they are being ridiculed and getting all this bad press for doing so.

And if SE was in such a financial sewer right now and really needed the money, then what was Nintendo (a company that has gotten on SE's good side) to them? It's not like there are hundreds and thousands of Wii's just SITTING on the effen SHELVES!

>> That my friend does not pay the bills. Of course that is only since the ps3 was made available to public. They have been working on it WAY earlier especially when costs were astronomical. <<

Where THEIR'S your answer right there. Sony's costs for developing for the PS3 was, in your words, astronomical. So how in the hell, given THAT, COULD Sony do what you said SE wanted them to do (which is what you think they wanted to do, which is to fund developmental costs)? Remember all of the stories about Sony losing money off of the PS3's? See how those stories have evaporated? Sony is starting to get money off of the PS3 right now, and I can assure you that Sony will have a profit this year off of their system. So I'm not seeing how you (or SE, assuming they said what you told us they said, which is unfair to begin with) really expected them to be ABLE to do all of that ON TOP OF developing their system.

>> I am not downplaying that ps3 doesn't have good games,<<

THAT line was just you playing a little CYA! You mentioned that whole "Level-whatever" BS as if the game wouldn't matter in the grand scheme of things, and now you're saying that the PS3 "doesn't have good games". Talk about flip flopping to make it sound like you're being unbiased here.

>> but how much time, money and manpower does it take to achieve that level of greatness? <<

You want me to call up Rockstar and ask them? It takes alot of manpower and money to develop for ANY system. It sounds like you're trying to use Valve's pitiful excuse and apply it like that is true with EVERY developer who dares develop for the PS3.

>> A lot of developers, especially eastern developers do not have the money to stretch out a game every 5 years. <<

Which is why they create OTHER games. Here, you're acting like a development company only works on one game and never works on anything else until that one game is completed. Has nothing to do with the system they develop it for (which, again, you're trying to blame Sony for EVERYTHING).

>> MGS4 is probably one of the greatest looking CONSOLE game today <<

Well, we finally agree on one thing: MGS4 is the best looking game yet. However, why are you stressing the word "CONSOLE" in this? Isn't the 360 a gaming CONSOLE? As opposed to WHAT, exactly? If the 360 isn't a CONSOLE, then what IS it?

>> but how much resources went in to it to justify the means? <<

To actually make a game that people WANT to play rather than 3/4ths of the laziness that we see? Actually, if you think about it, it only takes a small handful of people that know the code and knows how to get what they want out of the system to GET what they want out of it. You're acting like it takes a small nation to develop for the PS3, when we have seen that it doesn't. It's neither difficult or draining in any way, and I'm wondering why you continue to bring that up and why you believe that it would.

By the way, Nomura, the guy behind FF Versus 13 and the rumored KH3 is a Sony fanboy, loves the PS3 and wants nothing to do with the 360. Is he going to need extra resources and cash to do what he wants to do with THOSE games (I'm assuming all the KH3 rumor needs at this point is a set in stone motion).

>> White Knight looks pretty good as well and co-op w/full hd is an impressive feat <<

But this is that game you said came from "Level-whatever" and said that it wouldn't match whatever SE put out there. Suddenly this same game that you DIDN'T mention the name of before is going to be a worthwhile game?

>> but you ony get one maybe 2 games this gen? <<

Try much more than that! There has been a LOT more than 2 games that have been worth it on the PS3 so far, and we've only hit the tip of the iceberg. And now with the necessary resources to start giving third parties the necessary costs you want them to give (not bribing them like MS likes to do), I can assure you that this "360-only" BS won't last for much longer.

>> That doesn't seem worth it to me. I want a vast library much like the ps2 where when I finish one game, I have others to choose from. <<

You're really not looking thoroughly enough, then, or are just trying to cherry pick it so the 360 comes out on top of all these arguments.

>> In all reality MS and sony switched sides this gen. <<

In what genres they've been focused on, maybe (I think Sony is FINALLY getting our message about this JRPG hole they need to start filling). On how far they are ahead in the console war, I think I might actually let Nintendo tell you that you're forgetting one piece of THAT puzzle. The Gamecube, sadly, wasn't that much relevant in the gaming market. The Wii, on the other hand?

And by the way, who has won the most month-by-month NPD sales this year so far (between the two you're focused on), MS or Sony?

>> Of course that the ps2 pretty much dominated all unlike this gen where it is much closer. <<

Then...why shouldn't SE instead make alot more games multiplatform to compensate for this (another way to get them out of the financial hole they are apparently in) instead of giving everything only to the 360? If you're saying it's much closer (which defeats everything that you said beforehand because you acted like the 360 was THAT much more ahead and that MS was doing everything right this gen so far), then common sense should take over for SE to make Star Ocean and Tales Of Vespera (not any other Tales of game, VESPERA) also for PS3.

In short, you painted this no-win situation for Sony where you wanted them to do everything and then do everything else on top of it, and then blame them for something that, one, wasn't their fault to begin with, and two, wasn't even the real reason behind what's going on now. All this while trying to CYA when you earlier said the complete opposite.

I can say this, though: It looks like SE is really starting to get some bad press from all this bias for the 360 when they have said they would be multiplatform and wouldn't give any one console a clear advantage over the other (something else you failed to bring up, maybe because it would've killed 3/4ths of your argument if you DID). What happens when a developmental company gets this much bad press concerning something like this? Ask EA, who's working to "gain back the PS3 owner's trust". Unless you're Valve, who has become irrelevant to the gaming industry anymore because they fail to just wake up, then common sense tells you to get to it and gain back trust. I can see SE doing this before the first quarter of 2009 is up, if it even takes that long.

EDIT@The Kingslayer (13) (I'm not wasting a bubble on THAT crap):
1. PS3 Stans? That's the first time I've heard THAT term. The hell does that mean, anyway.
2. Sega was falling off the map WAY before they tried that. Not too fair to equate THAT into the conversation in that way. And why is having first party studios like that a BAD thing (ask Nintendo about that). And by the way, Sega's downfall was because they couldn't commit to one of their systems for very long before coming out with a new one, and then dropping all support for their previous system when they DID come out with another one. Sounding like someone ELSE you're trying to defend?
3. Square had a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT REASON why that Nintendo thing happened (see above at what I said to SkyGamer, because I brought it up and I'm not repeating it). Oh, and Square was clear about their position then, which is more than what we can say now about SE, who has instead broken promises they made a year ago.
4. The concern about the FF13/360 deal is that we would have to wait for a game that has been delayed by them countless times already just because MS HAS to have THEIR version out at the same time, and that there would be a cut in quality because "the PS3 version better not be any better than our version". That and we KNOW how MS operates, they will NOT want to stop at FF13 going multi. They will then try to make it exclusive for the 360. You're saying "oh, the game is coming out for the PS3 still" when you KNOW that still isn't going to be to MS's liking.
5. We don't have to respect SH!T about the 360. Given the way MS has been trying to BUY this victory so far. MS doesn't have the most powerful system out there (Sony does), and they know it. They are using bribes to get their way, but they can't anymore (they closed down a first party studio and froze the hiring process for their games division) because of their budget suddenly getting tight. Sure, if you WANT to, then go ahead, that's your right. But don't go around saying that we all HAVE to because you said we do.

ANOTHER EDIT@GiantEnemyCrab's post above (4.10) (STILL not wasting a bubble...GOD this post is the longest I've ever made, and you guys thought my PREVIOUS SH!T was long):
"Go for the throat, MS!"? That doesn't sound like someone wants MS to just compete. And your history on this site (along with who you want them to court, which by the way is you acknowledging that Level 5 and WKC is going to be an awesome new IP of a game, anyway) makes THAT comment even MORE suspicious of what you really want them to achieve.

Oh, and speaking of whammies, it seems as if SE is right now hitting their third whammy in round one (see how that worked). They may want to take some recourse.

By the way, again, LOLing at this phantom disagreeing crap. We all KNOW they just disagree because they don't like that you interjected a dissenting opinion from the one they want everyone to agree with (the one that supports the 360 and disses the PS3 ever single chance they get).

I'm not surprised, given how some people on this site operate. Why try to counter their arguments when all you have to do is make sure they don't have the chance to express them by reporting them or taking away their bubbles? It's kind of pathetic.

Yeah, Micro$oft "befriended" them alright.

"Oh, hey there "friend". *wink wink* I just want to show you how grateful I am for your "friendship" with this little "gift". *wink wink*

*Hands over large briefcase*

"Oh, thank you." *wink wink* "I also have a "gift" for you too" *wink wink*

*Hands over contract with the words "exclusive rights" written in big bold letters.*

Very good response.