@TejasTV

I'm 36. This doesn't kill anything for me.

@ rdgneoz3

That isn't true at all. Bright Dust is earned from dismantling items earned from Bright Engrams. You earn Bright Engrams from completing certain actions in the game. The Bright Dust can then be used in the Eververse store.

http://www.accelerated-idea...

You act like a child.

So you're in favour of heavy grinding to encourage spending real world money. Got it.

You're anti consumer.

"It's cosmetic..." OMG let's go shopping like totally nowwwwww!!!! IG selfie!!

Obviously, can't put spec'd out gear in the marketplace or it would be P2W, but they are closer than you think to having it all P2W to let rich kids fight it out while they get paid. This is Trojan Horse marketing to inject the mobile infection in AAA games.

No thanks. I'll buy more games with that money. Microtransactions marketplaces are unethical. Customers already paid an exorbitant amount with DLC and "full game" editions. The game will be designed to be intentionally frustrating which means people will flock to the marketplace.

Pay to not grind. Marketers really invented a new problem to solve haven't they.

When did gaming turn into Newport Beach shopping malls, make overs, implants, botox and not actual gaming? If I pay to NOT play a game for a $5 cosmetic boob job, then why am I buying the game? ~10 of those pieces/sets nearly equal another game. Surely if one is buying a game it means they actually want to play that kind of gameplay - even if grindy.

I suppose gamers can strut around the social space, having fashion shows, not play, and show others how pretty their makeover looks from dumping RL money into a marketplace. They do have support groups for this.

Right, because I dont want to have the cosmetic stuff for the game I just paid full price for right. It's bullshit. Before the game is even out they are nickle and diming people on a campaign that is smaller than Destiny 1. Blindly defending a game does you no credit at all.

@cleft5
WTF are you talking about? Playing the game will give you a chance at all those cosmetics. The microtransactions if done like in the previous game is all rng. It's on the consumer whether they wanna spend extra money. They aren't locking the content behind a pay wall, just play the damn game.

@Allsystemgamer

All games with RNG loot requires heavy grinding to get the things you want. Thats just how it goes. You would still have to grind the hell out of this game even if there were no microtransactions. Destiny 1 didn't have a microtransaction shop until after a year of being released. Guess what? You still had to grind the hell out of it.

MMO's and loot based games require heavy grinding. Loom at WoW or Diablo. Those games require grinding.

In games like these, heavy grinding is unavoidable.

It would be car different if I was saying that microtransactions for sinvle player, story based games are okay. But I'm not. But in games like this, if they want to offer microtransactions for some items that have zero effect on gameplay, items that can also be earned through actually playing the game, then I'm not going to cry about it.

And no, that does not make me anti-consumer.

Yeah, I hate MT with a passion, but if we ARE going to have them, I'd like them strictly limited to cosmetic stuff.

Yay, another person who believes it's just 'cosmetic'. They are doing the same thing that companies did on the likes of Farmvile, whereby they give you content over an extended period of time unless you pay.

Destiny isn't F2P either, this is just a way of milking the crap of gamers to get every single cent off of us, and what's funny there are plenty of people like you who think it's okay...

It does make you anti consumer. You can say you're not all day. The fact is you're clearly in favour of forcing people who may not have the time to spend 5 hours on one item they may want.

The pro consumer position would be to not make the items so time consuming to get and make more items.

But no you say it's all good to pay more for something someone already bought.

Just because they don't affect gameplay doesn't mean it doesn't affect the game. It does as it favours those who would pay rather than pay. Those who play are FORCED to grind to get an item they already paid for.

I don't give a damn if it's cosmetic only. This crap is creeping up on full priced games. I won't be surprised if most publishers in the future will turned out likeWB games.

Saying it's only cosmetics says it is ok to publishers to keep shoving MT in AAA titles. Give publishers an inch and see how that works out.

The same excuses get thrown around that you can get all the stuff in game. So if it's in-game then why did they need to added MT? It's in-game so that stuff should be already be completed, right? But they give you the "privilege" of buying it.

There is no grey scales anymore ... everyone is ultra pro or ultra contra ... writing before thinking is big nowerdays...

Understandable Microtransactions:

Paying for cosmetics in a FTP game so that the developers can continue to generate income and expand the game.

Terrible Microtransactions:

Paying $60 for a game and then have cosmetic content cost extra on top of what I already paid, to get MORE money than a normal full price game on top of already knowing there is additional payments coming from DLC.

And you might say "But you can play to unlock the content." to which I would reply "If it was a reasonable unlockable then they wouldn't sell it to begin with because no one would buy it."

@Segata

And the follow-up PSO 2 has micro-transactions. 18 years ago, they hadn't been come up with because "horse armor" hadn't infamously been crapped on to the gamers by Bethesda.

Have fun paying twice.

The people who complain about microtransactions are the same people who dont want to play to unlock things. If the game required you to put in a lot of hours to unlock stuff, then you wouldn't complain. Yet if the option to pay for them is added, now its a problem. Game development will keep rising and raising the prices of games will be met is huge backlash. If microtransactions have to be added so the games can keep getting funded and not raising the price for everyone, then stop crying and let the idiots who have no patience pay for it.

If it didnt matter why did they add them to the game?
If it didnt matter why are they charging money for it?
If it was easy to get who would pay for it?
If it really doesnt matter why not just add it to the game but not charge money to unlock early?

Erik7357 does, along with everyone else who cares too.

And the release of the game has proved this false. It is for more than emotes. The loot boxes do have game influencing items.

Don't expose your ignorance in such an arrogant manner, bro.

"go to the store and buy a game" is different than "paying only 60 dollars anywhere".

Physical games are not 60 dollars a lot of countries. Nor are digital games...
Also lots of people don't have international cards to buy games at the US or EU stores.
Also importing fees.
Etc. Etc. Etc.

Edit: Destiny 2 digital has the price tag of ~73.50 USD where I am today.

You honestly will try to sell a used copy for a higher price! Yeah, good luck with that. People who buy games know how to and where to buy them and I take it isn't from you.

Some people do, some don't. As commented above, there is a big number of issues that raise the price of games.

1. People who don't know how to buy a game cheaply:
Digital version: price tag is equivalent to ~73.50 USD (PS Store).
Physical version: price tag at ~70.50 USD (big online retailers).
It's not that hard to figure. The game costs 60 USD on the US. There are a lot of costs (logistics, taxes, greed etc) associated with importing it to another countries. Also, it is pretty common for the games to have different price tags around the world. It surprises me how little you know about it.

2. What does it take to buy a game at 60 USD?
Lots of steps and tricks.
I can buy it at ~60 USD, LOTS of people don't know about these tricks or just don't care about doing a US PSN account, or don't have a international CC or can't buy (for similar reasons) 60 USD prepaid cards for a decent price... "Just go to a mall and get the game". Ok, nice 70+ USD you spent there.

That gives me room to buy games at ~60 USD (plus a few cc taxes) and resell it for at least 70 USD.

So yeah, free trials for life.

BTW, if I decide to stay with Destiny 2 (which I think I will), it will actually only cost me ~40 USD. Tricks again. It can be done by everyone, but not even most of you know about it, so... How do you think a casual would know about it?

Always hating on PlayStation. Classic Moldy.

@PhantomTommy
It really sucks that both Uncharted 4 and The Last of Us had gameplay microtransactions, but I imagine the reason they're never really brought up is because both games had long 15+ hour single player modes. You could never touch the multiplayer segments in either of those games and still feel like you got your 60 euros worth. Destiny doesn't really work like that. You buy a game like Destiny and the microtransatcions and DLC are in your face at all times -- there's probably a link in the Main Menu to go purchase the multiple DLC packs as soon as they become available. Sometimes it feels like your initial 60 (probably 70) euros was just an entry fee for you to be able to give the publishers more money down the road.

Some people have put in hundreds of hours into Destiny, not sure why we need double standards for offline games.

Yet in UC4 there's nothing you can buy with microtransactions that you can't buy via earning in-game currency (relics).

Lol so does halo 5,gears 4,middle earth and tons of other games but way to show your fanboy moldy Jesus give it a rest

How am I holding them to a different set of rules? I don't like the MTs in Uncharted 4 either but at least MP updates are free. Uncharted TLL is a standalone game so it's irrelevant to the discussion. You're trying way too hard to troll.

I don’t care about the game nor hate on it - an ironic statement to make since you’re in a Destiny 2 thread seemingly hating on it.

@Fishy

I'm speaking out against the business strategy in general, rather than this game in particular.

Like I said before, I don't hate this game, I just don't care for it.

I do like seeing people shitting on things though. Why else would I stay on this site?

@Redemption-64

You say that as if we don't have word directly from Jim Ryan and PlayStation stating they wanted at least 12 live service games released within a year. Followed by tons of official word of those Live Service games being cancelled after he was pushed out. All studios combined at the time PS had 15 studios, 12 is a hell of a lot more than half of 15, and it was definitely their primary focus evident by the fact that a huge portion of their studios have taken uncharacteristically long to release or announce anything since, hell some studios have yet to release anything this gen almost 6 YEARS LATER! The only one making stuff up is you.