"PVE is always constant, same number of events, same physics calculations to compute, same AI routes to execute for every instance. These events can be preloaded from cache and streamed easier since they simply be reused on the next instance. Whereas in pvp there is no set parameters like in pve to pull from cache, as all physics calculations are execute player on player which need to be updated to whatever tic-rate the servers run"

but as I said, pve is still connected to other players just like pvp so all those calculations should be present all the time, no?

And how do massive pvp games like battlefront and battlefield with 60 players manage to run at 60fps? I know they do offer dynamic resolution. Overwatch does the same and that game runs like butter 99% of the time. In Destiny there is always a 1-2 noticeable laggers every single game.

Yeah the players are still there for the pve portion, but player on player calculations are reduced to collision detection as you are not directly influencing other players.

But yeah i agree with you. It makes no sense how Battlefield and games alike can pull off massive feats with huge player counts and keep the fps stable. Hence i think its all an engine issue. Frostbite has been iterated like 3x now? Frostbite has been in use much longer and has always been built with large scale in mind. I have no idea about Destinys engine, but it is clear that it is not up to the task, and needs to be replaced or overhauled. But Activision and Bungie cannot afford to do either as it'll take them years to develop a new engine from scratch to meet their needs, and there is no way they could produce content for their current games and build a new engine in a timely manner. However, they could license a engine, but i doubt Activision would want to spend on licensing fees and would instead want to keep everything inhouse. Also other engines such as UT is not really built for something like an mmo like Destiny so it wouldnt be a good replacement, and Frostbite is not licensed software so it kinda leaves Activision/Bungie with what i mentioned before. New Engine or overhaul as nothing else on the market would be able to meet their needs.

Kinda really f*cked the situation they are in. Mark my words a decision will be made at some point, and a lot of money will be lost and because of that someone is gonna lose their job. Already happened during Destiny 1 with the sudden drop of there previous CEO.

Yes "all manner" not just exclusively live service like Jim was doing, but you also shouldn't be forcing devs to make games they not only have no experience making, but also flatout dont want to do.

Assuming that anything like that is actually the case and not just a perception of n4g commenters of course.

@isarai_lee
Yes "all manner" not just exclusively live service like Jim was doing.

I don't understand why you people have to keep making up lies. You can say you don't like some or most of their focus being on live service games, but to say they were exclusively focusing on live service games is pure copium. At most half of their games were live service and the rest were single player games. Seriously why lie about something so obvious?