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Did Squaresoft mess up by merging with Enix?

There's been some debate as to whether or not Square-Enix is as good as either of the parent companies were. Find out why!

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PhoenixUp3205d ago

Did Enix mess up by merging with Squaresoft?

Soulst0rmer3204d ago

I think we've already established that as soon as these two companies got together they basically ruined everything they ever created.

indyman77773204d ago

Except Dragon Quest which came from Enix. I think they was running scared that everyone in the west would just want 1st person shooters and Bill Gates even talked about the Japanese players wanting cerebral games and West players wanting Twitch games. Square-Enix went on a convert everything to twich while keeing the cerebral players. This formula NEVER worked. The other thing is it takes at least twice as long to make a turn based rpg with almost twice the staff, as it takes to make a action game.

You have to give the player what they WANT.

spartan112g3204d ago

Except Tomb Raider and Nier are actually a relevant franchises now and FFXV was great if you weren't clouded by nostalgia.

bouzebbal3204d ago

i think quality went down because the competition between Squaresoft and Enix made both their games great!

SirBradders3204d ago

I think they are slowly becoming great again.

NecoTehSergal3204d ago

@Spartan - Tomb Raider was always a relevant franchise...

And Square isn't to be thanked for Nier's semi-burst of popularity, that goes to Platinum and the Dev/creator - SquareEnix is just a publisher, 'Cavia' was the studio behind Nier, and since it didn't really sell at all (Meaning Square failed to publish and advertise/market the game) - it became a Cult hit and not a commercial one, Platinum Games being given it was what established Nier's series so that it can finally breathe and be alive and succeed...

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PhoenixUp3204d ago

No you'd be ignorant to actually believe that to be true.

We've had plenty of great awesome Square Enix games in its 14 years of existence

3-4-53204d ago

Exactly. Dragon Quest 9 is responsible for me getting into the Dragon Quest series and into console/handheld rpgs in general.

FFTA2 is one of my favorite games of all time and got me really into tactics games.

Princess_Pilfer3204d ago (Edited 3204d ago )

Yeah, all 2 of them. Dissedia is ok, The world end with you is really good. Basically everything else is just a re-release, wasn't actually made by them, or is garbage.

Like, you can't count Valkyrei profile because it's actually a 1995 PS game.

PhoenixUp3203d ago

@ Princess

So you're really just going to ignore all the quality games Square Enix released just to fit a flimsy agenda huh?

Princess_Pilfer3203d ago

There is no agenda other than "Have SE developed games stop sucking and end crappy publishing practices."

Almost everything SE develops is garbage, and a lot of what's not can be direclty attributed to the other development studio that worked on it.

PhoenixUp3203d ago

You must have an agenda if you're really willing to overlook all the quality titles Square Enix released.

In a year where Nier: Automata & Dragon Quest XI released in the last few months, I can't take anyone like the author or people who share his/her minds set seriously

Princess_Pilfer3203d ago

I don't like Dragon quest, and, a very important distinciton, Nier isn't developed by SE. Nier is developed by Platinum, so it's quality is 100% irrelivant to wether or not SE sucks.

PhoenixUp3203d ago

You not liking Dragon Quest is besides the point and it doesn't change the fact it's a great game. This article is about generalizing Square Enix and saying it hasn't released a good game in its entire existence. A good game by them can't then be discarded because it's not like by you. Its mere existence is proof that your claims are BS.

Platinum also worked with Nintendo's Shigeru Miyamoto on Star Fox Zero and that game sucked. Square Enix's Yoko Taro worked with Platinum to make Nier: Automata a quality game. You can't really say S-E had no involvement or input in the quality of that title.

There are many other S-E games that I can list that easily prove you wrong

Princess_Pilfer3202d ago

Platinum also working on bad games is irrelivant. SE had nothing do to with Nier being good. They didn't make it.

Uh, yeah, actually. My not liking it means, as far as I'm concerned, it's not a great game. That's kinda the point. They even do things like joint development on Bravely Second... and the result is less good than Bravely Defualt (which was only published by them.)

You say, you have all these examples, but you don't list them. Even if Dragon Quest 9 was the best thing ever, it's 8 years old so that being your example is a pretty bad sign and it rases the total of not shit SE developed games to 3. Wo freaking who.

PhoenixUp3202d ago

When Platinum bad games it was usually under bad direction, which they didn't have when developing Nier: Automata.

As far as I'm concerned it seems like you'd just discern any quality game Square Enix to stick to a flawed agenda. If an objectively well received gets released by them, it's really irrelevant if you like it or not. You could also say you don't like Nintendo games, that doesn't mean they don't release quality games.

Recent titles such as DQH2, WoFF, FFXV, JC3, ROTR, Life is Strange, Sleeping Dogs, FFXIV: ARR, Tomb Raider '13, KH2, KH:BBS, DQVIII are just a few examples of your viewpoint being wrong.

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FallenAngel19843205d ago

I can't take this author seriously when he/she can't even recall the quality games that Square Enix have released in their 14 years of existence.

"The next two FFs were FFXI and FFX-2, which, yes, we still can’t believe got released."

What dafuq are you even saying? FFXI released in 2002, before the merger. Plus the idea of an MMORPG game set in the Final Fantasy series was conceived by Hironobu Sakaguchi(the franchise's creator) himself. And FFXI was a quality game, so it's even more absurd to try to unnecessarily criticize it to fit an agenda.

FFX-2 was also developed and released in Japan before the merger, so idk why you're calling that out. Do you even research?

FFXII is the first mainline title that was in development after the merger, and it's in fact as the author says "pretty good." That alone further invalidates this entire articles' point. Not to mention that DQVIII was released after the merger and it's one of the best in the franchise.

And it's pretty convenient how Square Enix's purchase of Eidos never gets brought up. They've handled the Tomb Raider franchise better than Eidos did.

Godmars2903204d ago

"And it's pretty convenient how Square Enix's purchase of Eidos never gets brought up. They've handled the Tomb Raider franchise better than Eidos did."

They also setup TR to fail via ad costs that made 4 million games sold a "disappointment" and then there's what they did to Hitman.

FallenAngel19843204d ago

Tomb Raider '13 ended up being the best selling game in the franchise

_-EDMIX-_3204d ago

Agreed.

Fallen, you need to write this article! I can't stand when in comments, MANY know more then the author. SOOOO many mess ups in this article its not even funny. DQ has moved MILLIONS of units since that merger.

squallcloud93205d ago

Well I'm still waiting for a great rpg to come out of square enix.

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kevnb3204d ago

Dragon quest 8 is about as good as it gets.

spartan112g3204d ago

FFXV was great if you weren't attached to those old games. I actually like where they are taking it.

Darkwatchman3204d ago

I disagree. I have no nostalgic attachment to classic FF games because I barely played the games. Most of my exposure is to the remasters and spin offs like crisis core. In total, I have played maybe less than 7 FF games and 2 of them actually are the first 2 anniversary psp releases, but I never beat them because I was a kid and got lost and had no patience to figure out what to do or where to go.

With that out of the way, I thought FF15 was a mediocre game. It had an awful story that was not only poorly written and shoddily paced, but also incomplete with several cutscenes being added after launch which is ridiculous.

Aside from the garbage story, the game's combat was mindnumbingly dull. All you have to do is hold a single button for auto combos and occasionally press a direction of you felt like mixing it up. Dodging was holding a button for auto dodging. Partying didn't even require timing. Just hold the square button and bam, you'll parry when the attack hits. No timing required.

Add to that, the completely formulaic open world structure with copy/paste "take this photo here" and "catch these frogs for me here" in a world where The Witcher 3 exists where even the most full of quests legitimized itself with good writing and context within the game world. The most lived in and concrete open world in a video game with the most tightly knit design of any open world game to date.

I did not think FF15 was good at all. Has nothing to do with nostalgia because I have next to no attachment to the franchise, but I love rpg's, both action and turn based, and FF15 to an rpg fan felt like an insult to my experience with the genre. It felt more like "baby's first action rpg".

cMehu3204d ago

Had nothing to do with the old games, combat, story, "missions" = go there, get that, bring here, everything was dull, and playing the sidequests did nothing for the main story. Completing them was more of a chore.
Calling a monotonous game great is overdoing it, glad you enjoyed it there's plenty of simple rpgs with no depth for you to play. :)

OtakuDJK1NG-Rory3203d ago

No. FFXV is complete trash there no sugarcoating it.

terrorofdeath3203d ago

Dragon Quest XI has to be it. 90% sure it will be amazing.

OtakuDJK1NG-Rory3203d ago (Edited 3203d ago )

Okay let's see: Counting New games only:
Bravely Default
Bravely Second
The World End With You
Dragon Quest VIII
Dragon Quest IX
Dragon Quest XI
Nier: Automata

basically. 3DS - PS4 - Switch if you want your JRPG from Square Enix.

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shinoff21833204d ago

My issue with them is not releasing some games on disc in other markets, I am setsuna. Also the remake/remaster of secret of mana will probably also not receive a disc version outside of japan.

_-EDMIX-_3204d ago

? "My issue with them is not releasing some games on disc in other markets, I am setsuna. Also the remake/remaster of secret of mana will probably also not receive a disc"

Different markets, different games.

Secret Of Mana isn't some small project, its a full remake.

shinoff21833204d ago

I never said secret of mana was, I was saying id like it on a physical disc to which they probably wont do.

InKnight7s3204d ago (Edited 3204d ago )

FFIII on psp isnt small project in the end of the day its main FF. Still, they released it on disc in japan and only digital in the rest of world. Moreover, Limited, Collector editions were mostly not available in US only in EU. All FF in psp, 3rd birthday, KH BBS, and the first two XIII trilogy all of them were just available only as standard edition in US, but in EU there was some quite different editions. After Lightning Return SE has became better as whole company.

nitus103204d ago

To put a game on physical media and/or make it available as a digital download is a decision a gaming company has to make.

It can be considerably cheaper to just go with digital downloading especially if the game size is relatively small and your target audience has access to the Internet. Like it or not the digital downloads are the way many games will be delivered to the average gamer in the future.

InKnight7s3204d ago

You said it future. We aint there yet. It like saying back to 1985 throw all your VHS because in 2013 Blu-ray is the future.

shinoff21833203d ago

Where have you been, all these small publishers popping up offering physical releases. Truth is there are more games coming out physically then what did on ps3. Some people may have realized that digital isnt the future just yet.

CrimsonWing693204d ago

It's definitely not been the same company ever since they merged but they also lost of a bunch of key developers and people on staff. Also they have this crazy notion that classic game design is utter trash so instead of giving fans what they want they keep experimenting with the format and screwing it up.

FinalFantasyFanatic3203d ago (Edited 3203d ago )

I think they lost some of the talent that really made Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy (e.g. Hironobu Sakaguchi, Koji Ishitani, Isamu Kamikokuryo, Nobuo Uematsu, ect...). I'm sure there are others, but that's all I could readily remember or find. Also I'm sure Wada or who ever's idea it was, really tried hard to westernize the series along with many JRPG game producers during the last gen, and we all know how badly that went for everyone involved. I'm just glad most of them are starting to throw that mentality away and produce good JRPGs again (in SE's case, I mean WoFF, not FFXV). On top of that, the company seems to lack direction or just has poor leadership.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai37d ago (Edited 37d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio37d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing37d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9237d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit37d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing37d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9237d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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What does it mean? This means the company as a whole no longer exists. We'll cease our functions immediately. The planned DLC will release via Nacon, and then-- well, that's it.

We're sorry that it's come to this and would like to thank each and every one of you for your support over the years.

If you have any questions or run into issues with your games, please contact Nacon directly as we'll no longer be able to reply."

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