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Are Developers Choosing to Skip Xbox One?

Today on The Xbox Dive, Chris and James discuss developers appearing to skip the Xbox One and what can be done about it. How do you feel about games getting wide releases but missing the Xbox One? Does that affect your support of the Brand? Let us know in the comments below.

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ApocalypseShadow3216d ago

Yes.

It could be partly the install base compared to PS4. It could be the lack of funding to produce games as an Indy developer to bring games to multiple platforms. But if you look closely,and mentioned in the video, developers and companies that once were Microsoft supporters are no longer there or not at the level of 360 support.

Witness as companies like Epic, Bioware, Bungie, Crytek, Activision, Remedy, Mistwalker, etc either support Sony more because of install base or left the fold altogether because of Microsoft's inability to keep the relationships that at one time, could have toppled Sony's dominance worldwide. Sure there are developers that are still making games for them. But not at the level of last generation. And even developers like Cliffy B are choosing PS4 when he was all about Xbox. And Valve has moved on and are doing their own thing.

Then you have the development partnerships like Platinum game's Scale bound that fell apart. Or parity clauses or ID@Xbox stipulations that have hurt games coming to the platform.

There seems to be an underlying thing there at the company that is hurting the console more than helping. They've relaxed a little on certain things. But they have more work to do.

neolego3216d ago

These are all great points Apocalypse. As an Xbox fan first, it really disappoints me that this seems to be the tend of games currently. Hopefully some of that will shift with the launch of Xbox One X. Thanks for contributing your thoughts!

bluefox7553216d ago (Edited 3216d ago )

As you may have noticed, this is probably the wrong place to post anything resembling constructive, critical analysis. Most won't watch it, just immediately dismiss it as attacking Xbox.

_-EDMIX-_3216d ago

I'm sorry to hear that but it's definitely not going to shift anything

you need to understand that the reason why those games are not coming on Xbox is simply because the install base is not even purchasing the content enough to justify the release.

That's it.

Sony has an appeal worldwide but that's also because they have Studios worldwide when you're looking at Big AAA Japanese games like the Last Guardian it's very clear that the Japanese Market does not feel left behind with the PlayStation.

What reason would the Japanese audience really have to buy the Xbox One?

So of course you're going to see titles like the Yakuza series or Nier or Final Fantasy or Kingdom Hearts and a bunch of games not come to the Xbox one especially when some of their other titles sell extremely poorly if they even release on Xbox One.

It's just an uphill battle and Microsoft has not really made it any better because they failed to invest in Japanese studios in the first place.

They're going to continue to get less content by default of those choices.

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mcstorm3215d ago

I agree with the xbox bit but how big is pc gaming in Japan? I do wonder if that is part of the reason ms are doing cross play with pc. If (And its an if because I don't know if it is big or not) it is big there then creating a game for a pc and using the windows 10 api to port it to the xbox could help get more on board with making games for the xbox.

Its all if buts and maybes as I said I don't know but if anyone can answer if pc gaming is big there be ace.

_-EDMIX-_3215d ago

@shagg-that's the thing did Microsoft buy mistwalker?

So if you're a Japanese gamer what real investment was really made if Microsoft themselves wouldn't even purchase the damn company to actually show that this is going to be the future of Microsoft?

If Microsoft bought mistwalker I actually believed it would have been one of their best decisions they made to try to strengthen Japan because it would show that they're investing in the Long Haul with these franchises and Developers.

So if Microsoft is not going to spend the money to buy the team why should anybody by the system for what looks like a once-over temporary move?

Sony's Japanese Studios are not simply just a few outsourced teams for a few once overs. They're Studios owned by Sony to show their commitment to Japanese gaming.

Not just for a few years during the start of a generation but permanently.

If Microsoft wanted to show how serious they were about Japanese gaming I'm sorry but they should have been one of the first putting the bid for Atlus when their parent company was going out of business .

Yet at the time my predictions were either Sony or Sega , never did Microsoft even enter my mind simply because they showed a habit of not purchasing Japanese teams.

It was an easy call that Sega would probably purchase Atlus simply because Sega was purchasing multiple teams around that time and it was a very easy prediction.

Microsoft has literally made it a habit of not purchasing Japanese development teams....

If they want to win Japan they need to break that habit because it's literally becoming a bad stigma in people are basically having a preconceived notion about the Xbox.

ie Halo Gears of War Western first person shooter machine.

That's not going to get you much sales in the east.

indyman77773213d ago

if A=x. and B=x...then x=x

Are developers choosing to skip xbox one? Easy question. Are gamer's choosing to skip xbox one? Then yes...yes Developers are choosing to skip xbox one.

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freshslicepizza3216d ago

@Apocalypse Shadow
"It could be partly the install base compared to PS4. It could be the lack of funding to produce games as an Indy developer to bring games to multiple platforms. But if you look closely,and mentioned in the video, developers and companies that once were Microsoft supporters are no longer there or not at the level of 360 support."

Who is missing from the 360 days?

"Witness as companies like Epic, Bioware, Bungie, Crytek, Activision, Remedy, Mistwalker, etc either support Sony more because of install base or left the fold altogether because of Microsoft's inability to keep the relationships that at one time, could have toppled Sony's dominance worldwide. Sure there are developers that are still making games for them. But not at the level of last generation."

All of those companies are releasing on the Xbox though, they just might not be as exclusive as they once were.

"And even developers like Cliffy B are choosing PS4 when he was all about Xbox. And Valve has moved on and are doing their own thing."

Lawbreakers isn't even a big title like Gears so he is starting small and may eventually move the title to the Xbox One.

"Then you have the development partnerships like Platinum game's Scale bound that fell apart. Or parity clauses or ID@Xbox stipulations that have hurt games coming to the platform. There seems to be an underlying thing there at the company that is hurting the console more than helping. They've relaxed a little on certain things. But they have more work to do."

But again none of that shows they are bailing and moving to other platforms like many have in the past towards Nintendo. Japan studios yes, but well known western AAA games are not.

tyasia03216d ago (Edited 3216d ago )

Well equally nothing you said reaffirms Xbox's position in the market.

You confirm that formerly exclusive developers are releasing games on PS4 in many cases with PS4 marketing deals.

You also admit long term Xbox devs are putting their games on PS4 exclusively.

And as for Scalebound, Platinum haven't announced anything for Xbox since, And on top of that it's hard to imagine a situation where the two would be willing to work together in the future.

Microsoft due to there poor management and lack of market share has been greatly weakened this gen and that doesn't look to be changing anytime soon given their software lineup and the fact they have virtually zero Japanese support. Xbox fans downplay Japanese support, but the fact is it greatly reduces the number as well as the variety of games as well as international support. And the undeniable truth is that outside of America they have almost no support.

Xbone X at best may move some consoles. But if it only sells in America to people who already have Xbones it's not going to actually gain them market share. And that's not going to help them in the long term.

neolego3216d ago

moldybread thanks for your awesome reply. Not often do we get well read and though out responses. I agree with most of what you've listed. I would only add that we were not trying to imply that Developers are leaving Xbox all together, but only considering them as a second thought. In a, "we might get to you if we have time and need more money." This is not the case for larger games, at least not right now, but we are seeing this more and more with smaller titles and Shakedown: Hawaii is a perfect example of it.

Again, thanks so much for watching and actually contributing.

hamburgerhill3216d ago

What I want to know is simple. Has MS given up on exclusives and marketing deals or have they in fact (behind closed doors) been building relationships and planning out ways to regain market share? I personally believe they're working hard on trying to build relationships but we will see.

_-EDMIX-_3216d ago

"But again none of that shows they are bailing and moving to other platforms "

I mean when they're not making a game on Xbox one that sort of means that by default.

Raiden3215d ago (Edited 3215d ago )

Japanese are for Japanese firstly don't get it twisted, American products hardly ever sell in Japan, also the west buy more Japanese games than the Japanese buy our games, the Japanese live and die by there honour system, so I never hold my breath on MS/Xbox been any kind of success, even the 360 never sold. In Japan Xbox could be the most powerful piece of kit on the market people won't touch it. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong, but like I said in the beginning Japanese for Japanese first.

Tetsujin3215d ago

@Raiden

"American products hardly ever sell in Japan"

2015 Top USA Retailer = Amazon.com, which accounted for a whopping 78% of all purchases shipped to Japan.

source - https://www.myus.com/blog/j...

"One that hasn't been mentioned yet is AFLAC -- you know, the pseudo-health insuror that features the quacking duck in their television ads. About 75% of AFLAC's revenue comes from insurance sales in Japan, where the pitch (extra cash when you are sick with a few specified diseases) appears to go over better than in the US."

source - https://www.quora.com/What-...

Kit-Kat has wisely come up with dozens of different flavors (almost none of which are available in the US).

source - same as previous

7/11 is immensely popular and is the leading convenience store chain there. In Japan alone there are 3 times the amount of 7/11 stores than there are in the entire United States, despite having a little more than a third of our population.

KFC is also very popular, boasting many more locations per capita than the American chain.

Want me to keep going? I can if you want me to.

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Here's a reason a lot of people are overlooking; because Xbox isn't as diverse in it's gaming selection as PlayStation and/or Nintendo. Yes, there's genres, however in limited quantities.

If a fighting game Xbox fan wanted to compete in a tournament (like Evo), what options are there outside Killer Instinct that's EXCLUSIVE on Xbox?

It's the lack of options, and lack of fitting gamer needs is why Xbox isn't doing as hot as the past. Currently the only game sparking my interest is Cuphead, and even then I can get it on Steam to support the devs. When Xbox can come up with something I can't get on PC that fits my gamer needs, I'll look into an Xbox One; until then, I have other options.

freshslicepizza3215d ago (Edited 3215d ago )

Tell us all how well PC Cars sold in Japan compared to Gran Turismo, or how well Forza sells there. They are all racing games aren't they? Or how well FIFA sells compared to PES. Or how well Killer Instinct sells, don't they like fighting games?

It's also noteworthy that the Sony MP3 player sold quite well in Japan compared to all other MP3 players. The iPod took the world by storm, no wonder Japan eventually adopted it.

Anyways we are getting off topic here, the point was are developers skipping the Xbox? Not anymore than they have before, Japan games have always struggled on the Xbox, so tell me again what major titles are skipping on the Xbox that shows signs of developers stopping support? As I said, it is Nintendo not Microsoft who is severely handicapped with third party support. Every new major title whether it be Anthem or the new Assassins Creed continues to be supported on Xbox but not on Nintendo consoles.

It is business as usual, the developers continue to put most games on the PS4, the Xbox and then the PC with the Switch far behind. It is also busniess as usual, the anti-Xbox campaign in full swing on the forums since the Xbox existed many years ago.

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Bigpappy3216d ago (Edited 3216d ago )

Which game developers are skipping Xbox? All the 3rd party games that don't come to Xbox are from Japan or indie. They have their issue with the Brand over there and I am not going to get into why as I don't have the answer and don't want to hear it from anyone here, as I will not believe you. There are some indie games that don't go to PS4 too. has nothing to do with install base. Xbox user base is very big actually. All major 3rd party games are released on Xbox.

tyasia03216d ago

It's because Xbox doesn't have any games they want and Microsoft doesn't seem interested in investing in games especially Japanese games.

Bigpappy3216d ago

I said I don't want your explanation. That is just what you feel. I would like to hear form the Japanese developers that pass on releasing their game on Xbox but yet have no problem releasing on Japanese systems in the west and even PC. How comes Capcom and square can do it and all those others can't? But I again I would like to hear it for some of these Japanese developers. Looks very biased to me but I am open-minded.

tyasia03216d ago (Edited 3216d ago )

Well we both know the reason, they wouldn't sell... Tekken sold only 10% on it's units on Xbone, even a huge franchise game like FFXIV only sold 15% of it's units on Xbone. It's just not worth their time.

And after Microsoft canceled Scalebound on Platinum Games why would any Japanese dev want to work with Microsoft?

And I wouldn't be suprised if Square and Capcom both stopped releasing games on Xbox. I mean tons of Square games are already PS4 exclusive.

rainslacker3216d ago

I think you answered your own question. Many 3rd party devs from Japan and indies are skipping Xbox.

Sure, some people don't care about those games(Japanese ones as X1 gets indie stuff already), but I'm sure MS wants those gamers who do care about them to buy their system.

It's one reason why Sony does so well.

freshslicepizza3216d ago (Edited 3216d ago )

It is about sales and the Xbox has never done well in Japan, call it xenophobia or in Donal Trump's case, buy Japan only.

What is clear is that Microsoft is still the only company that can keep Sony somewhat humble (but as you can see being outsold 2-1 has at times brought back the arrogant Sony with crossplay and EA Access), Nintendo still has no real market in the west. Meaning the reality is big titles will continue to skip Nintendo until Switch becomes a desireable market for them.

In other words until we see major titles like Red Dead Redemption 2 being pulled on the Xbox it is business as usual. What is clear is when questions start to arise about Microsoft's status in the industry you see all these people who fester within the forums come out of the woodwork like tyasia0 who have made it perfectly clear they are willing to create new accounts to go after Microsoft. They are a company that even after all these years have a following of haters that don't like how they do busniess even to this day.

MegamanXXX3215d ago (Edited 3215d ago )

@Moldybread
"What is clear is that Microsoft is still the only company that can keep Sony somewhat humble (but as you can see being outsold 2-1 has at times brought back the arrogant Sony with crossplay and EA Access)"

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tyasia03215d ago (Edited 3215d ago )

"It is about sales and the Xbox has never done well in Japan, call it xenophobia or in Donal Trump's case, buy Japan only."

Why do people always say this. It's not true, plenty of non-Japanese products sell just fine in Japan, Sony makes phones yet the Iphone is the most popular phone there. It's that Xbox doesn't offer a product or the games they want. And what would you say about the rest of Asia and most of Europe, are they xenophobic too?

"What is clear is that Microsoft is still the only company that can keep Sony somewhat humble (but as you can see being outsold 2-1 has at times brought back the arrogant Sony with crossplay and EA Access), Nintendo still has no real market in the west. Meaning the reality is big titles will continue to skip Nintendo until Switch becomes a desireable market for them."

Switch is outselling 2-1 Xbox too, even with a supply shortage and even though it's only been on the market a few months it's picking up titles pretty well. PS4 has crossplay, just not with Microsoft and EA access is more about EA's greed than anything. Why not just put there games on Games With Gold or PSPlus instead of shoehorning in there own subscription. Things would have been better for gamers if Microsoft had just held their ground like Sony did and told them to use the services that were already available.

"In other words until we see major titles like Red Dead Redemption 2 being pulled on the Xbox it is business as usual. What is clear is when questions start to arise about Microsoft's status in the industry you see all these people who fester within the forums come out of the woodwork like tyasia0 who have made it perfectly clear they are willing to create new accounts to go after Microsoft. They are a company that even after all these years have a following of haters that don't like how they do business even to this day."

Well you do realize Red Dead has it's marketing deal with Sony, right? Well as for Xbone's viability at least it's not like they got outsold by 250% in America their strongest territory last month, cause if they happened man that would look bad on the books.

Raiden3215d ago

Nope it's not about investments, this is competitive market and the Japanese want the ps4 to remain on challenged

freshslicepizza3215d ago

@tyasia0
"Well you do realize Red Dead has it's marketing deal with Sony, right? Well as for Xbone's viability at least it's not like they got outsold by 250% in America their strongest territory last month, cause if they happened man that would look bad on the books."

And again you keep floundering around trying to be witty with more of your anti-Xbox shenanigans without being on-topic. Red Dead Redemption 2 is coming to the Ps4 and Xbox One. Not the PC, not a Nintendo console. So tell me again how anyone should be concerned about developers skipping Xbox One when the reality is the Xbox One is getting just as much support as the Xbox has always gotten? The system already has over 1,000 games. Rockstar isn't concerned but we should all pay attention to you?

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Kiwi663216d ago

Isn't part of the reason that some of those devs do more for ps is because of a deal that sony pays them for because isn't that why ps gets dlc etc before xb does

Chevalier3215d ago

That is complete BS. Just pulling crap out of nowhere. Some links proving what you suggest would be great. Bet you won't be able to link any AAA company doing that.

Kiwi663215d ago

Oh look guess some forgot about Destiny, Destiny 2 & CoD which are AAA games that had dlc before xb did which is what i'm talking about which would've been as part of a deal with Sony or do people think the devs did it for free

_-EDMIX-_3215d ago

Why would Sony have to pay a Japanese company to not make something on the Xbox?

You have to look at it from their standpoint if the game is not selling on the Xbox they have no incentive to make it so why would Sony need to pay them to develop something only on the PlayStation when the Xbox isn't even a viable economical option for those type of games?

So you just believe that from multiple Generations Sony has been paying for Final Fantasy games Yakuza, Kingdom Hearts, Dragon Quest, Persona, monster hunter etc?

Okay so how do you actually explain those games also releasing on Nintendo systems and PC?

I mean even then how do you explain the low sales when they even appear on XBox? Doesn't that actually simply prove that those games would fail otherwise an Xbox regardless, doesn't that again simply show that Sony wouldn't need to pay a company to not make something on a system that's already not making them money?

all you have to do is to think about it for a little bit and you'll understand just how strange it sounds.

Think.

_-EDMIX-_3214d ago

@Kiwi- PM'ed me and told me that the comment was more so about the DLC, not suggesting that all those games like Yakuza, Persona etc are based on deals. simply the DLC.

To be fair when you say "Isn't part of the reason that some of those devs do more for ps is because of a deal that sony pays them for because isn't that why ps gets dlc etc before xb does"

It sounds like you are say, isn't that way they also do DLC deals ie as well, ie too, ie also etc.

As in, "devs do more for PS" based on a "deal" Sony pays them for, but then saying "isn't that why PS gets DLC" makes it sound as if you are not talking about the DLC in the first part of your comment.

You are not saying "Some of those devs do more for PS based on DLC deals".

I get you mean DLC based on your PM, but your comment sounds like your suggesting titles that only come to PS are based on deals, similar to the whole DLC thing. It doesn't sound like the deal your talking about is DLC, as why would you then state. "devs do more for ps is because of a deal" only to state "ps gets DLC" Well.....is the "deal" you talking about DLC in the first part of your statement or a game being only on PS?

Saying ps gets DLC deals, then saying isn't that why ps gets DLC deals, doesn't make sense.

Sorry but it sounds like your suggesting titles that only come on PS are based on deals similar to the DLC deals Sony makes. Thats how I'm reading it. Sorry if I'm confusing what you mean.

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neolego3215d ago

The Xbox Dive, by no stretch, is trying to say there aren't amazing games on the Xbox One right now or that are scheduled to be there in the coming months and years. This was just a point of discussion that we wanted to touch on. Thanks for that list though man, it's getting me real excited for the fall! :)

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PhoenixUp3216d ago

Not as much as they're skipping Switch

InKnight7s3216d ago

That overall critical view.

neolego3216d ago

For now, that's true. But the fact that the Xbox and PS4 are so similar is much more of a concern. The Switch is confirmed to take a little more development time.

Krysis3216d ago

It's a sad day when a 30 million plus install base is ignored.

Phill-Spencer3216d ago

No it's a business decision. Even if the install base is 30 million, if the target audience who are actually interested in these certain games isn't there or so small, then it doesn't justify the cost of porting the game to release on xbox.
And this isn't the fault of the publishers, it's on MS. For roughly a decade they have done their utmost to attract a userbase with a extremly narrow taste in game genres.

n4rc3215d ago

"For roughly a decade they have done their utmost to attract a userbase with a extremly narrow taste in game genres."

you mean every genre except jrpgs? yeah.. super narrow tastes. lol.. you guys even hear yourselves anymore?

jonh683216d ago

If you watched the clip you'd actually see these devs are putting their game on switch while skipping Xbox.

XanderZane3216d ago

The two games mentioned, yes. There are 100's of games that will come to XB1 and PS4, and never come to the Switch though. I think the problem with these games not coming to XBox One is the fact it's a synch to port them from PC and PS4 to the XB1 with little effort. With that little bit of effort they would get a lot more sales. It's just dumb that these developers decide to skip a platform that's already more established then the Switch.

FallenAngel19843216d ago

And if you watch basic gaming news you'll see more multiplat titles arriving on XO and skipping NS. Just look at last E3 as a blatant example of this

_-EDMIX-_3216d ago

Lol

Switch is taking some major hits this generation.

I think they'll probably be okay because for the most part they've always focused on smaller titles and when you look at their history with Portables DS and 3DS did pretty fine so I think switch will be okay without big Triple A third-party games that also exist on PlayStation 4 Xbox One and PC.

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DAEMONIFEAR3216d ago

These small devs are catering to the popular platform but their titles don't sell well anyways regardless! The real point is if yhe 1X is more powerful and is the easiet platform to develop for devs will surely pick it up and if xbox was the popular platform they'd be supporting it look at ps3/360 it's an endless cycle of that keeps repeating and honestly won't change with the likes of Sony fanboys bashing anything not Sony!! The industry is in such a bad way..with very few good games!! Talk exclusives, talk sales, talk whatever really it's not going to make a difference!! I for one am happy to say I am a true gamer and all platforms are my places to play..I know what I like and what I'll play!! And I'll certainly tell people what is bad and not worth the craze just because it's on a specific platform!!

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Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle12d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7712d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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I remember playing this back in the day on PS2. What a sick game!

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Outside_ofthe_Box17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster300017d ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv7217d ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

S2Killinit16d ago

The fans didn’t tell them to go multilat. MS was forced to after the 82 billion they spent to destroy gaming. Then, while xbox fans cheered, MS realized they can’t justify the price tag by selling through xbox only, so they went multiplat and in the process began to downplay console gaming.

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CrashMania17d ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

S2Killinit16d ago

They will do what they always do, they will promise the world at the beginning of next GEN and then failed to deliver all generation long. But there will always be some gamers who will buy into their promises.

ocelot0716d ago

Absolutely agree, Do people genuinely believe Microsoft are now going to go. Hang on how's about we go back to 2020. Then GP was stagnating, Games sold where awful because of GP. Outsold by Playstation by a landslide.

They have sold 5m of Forza I believe on PS5. Spite it being a old game. I think Starfield is going to sell well in the end. Halo is deffinetly going to sell well as is Fable and Forza Horizon 6.

I think at best (for Xbox fans). Single player titles like Clockwork will have a timed exclusivity. Multiplayer centric games like Forza, E Day will release day and date on all platforms.

Or all games will release on all platforms day and date. But maybe Xbox and Windows Store copies will have exclusive bonuses. Or may even get timed exclusive dlc like Fallout and Elder Scrolls and COD use to do.

I think they will treat Xbox players like the premium customers or at least act the way. But will serve just the Playstation and Switch 2 customers as well.

Neonridr17d ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box17d ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Neonridr16d ago

@Outside - possibly, but it might push people to want Xbox hardware so they can play with their buddies day one.

Who knows.

S2Killinit16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

it would but remember doing that can splinter the COD fan base and in the process damage the call of duty brand which is probably the only franchise in that $82 billion purchase that in anyway gets even close to delivering what Microsoft thought they bought. If Microsoft fudges around too much with the COD franchise, you might even see a competitor franchise show up on the scene and that would be a catastrophe after the huge debt that Microsoft put itself into with the ABK purchase.

But Its almost guaranteed that Microsoft will want to do something drastic at the beginning of the next generation as they always do. We will see.

Pyrofire9517d ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv7217d ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

S2Killinit16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

A lot of their base left for greener (bluer?) pastures.

--Onilink--17d ago

What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

Outside_ofthe_Box17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

I agree. I mean once they went multiplat, in theory there should be no going back especially when you have games that have sold really well on other platforms.

Microsoft are the ones that announced that they are reevaluating. So I'm just guessing on what their end goal is. Right now Xbox as a hardware is not a must buy for anyone but fans of the brand because their games can be played elsewhere. Going exclusive would solve this, but you lose out on a ton of money instantly which has always been what the company does not want to do so not really sure what their "reevaluating exclusives" means unless they are pulling a Phil Spencer and are just saying what people want to hear and will continue to do what they are currently doing.

darthv7216d ago

Their ports to PS5 are selling because Sony's output has been so dry... the fans are thirsty, and MS is the oasis.

SIdepocket17d ago

Unfortunately, the studios they buy wither under their leadership.

mcstorm16d ago

Microsoft still has a name with Xbox the issue is the casual games are not looking at the console because its not the same console their friends have. Look at that poll on how many users upgraded from xbox 365 to one and then the X. Part of Microsoft's downfall was thinking that the Wii was the market they had to be in when really it was the core market. If you get the core gamers you then get the market to. As I posted a few minuets ago on another post Microsoft putting exclusives on PS this gen could bold well if they hit next gen with all our games are staying exclusive from this new gen. They will then get gamers wanting Halo, Forza Gears but this is also where Microsoft fell over with the xbox one and X in terms of they did not have may quality 1st party games affter they fell into the Gears, Forza and Halo cycle. If they can get some old IPs back to bring back the old core gamers as well as fresh ips to bring in new gamers things could improve next gen. But as I said in my last post its all if buts and maybes at the moment. No one knows if the next home consoles will be to expensive that people move to pc as we are now seeing or look at the stem deck as a cheepier alternitive.

DarXyde16d ago

"Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box."

That's very optimistic. It's not the only issue, far from it. There is a serious rupture between Microsoft generally and the public caused by their weird Game Pass price fluctuations, taking down physical game space in stores, and being the first to go nuts on hardware price hikes that they themselves played a big part in.

They're also charging beyond a premium for Helix which is just vile at a time when the economy is in shambles.

The company itself is really not doing itself any favors with the approach they're taking Windows. Even France is looking to ditch Windows in favor of Linux.

But the most offensive thing is this AI push. They're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the very technology they're using to replace a considerable proportion of their workforce... And the slap in the face is how they bake copilot into everything when nobody likes it—they couldn't even make Bing stick, so why on earth are they trying so hard? You know it's bad when people would rather use ChatGPT than Copilot which is killing their OS. But aside from their snatching up of farmland to build data centers (and reduce the agriculture capacity of whichever country allows them to build them), they made an AI-generated gamer gurl that loves AI the head of Xbox.

Even if we grant them the full benefit of the doubt, it hardly matters what Xbox wants to do if Nadella says no, and that includes exclusive games. Microsoft's relationship with Xbox is the opposite of Sony's relationship with PlayStation—Microsoft pulls the reins of Xbox, but Sony damn near went under for the PS3.

Tanktopmaster9216d ago (Edited 16d ago )

“If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it.”

Great strategy, especially after Forza selling 5 million on PlayStation and sea of thieves selling at least another million (2 million) for example. In March 2026, Xbox consoles sales ratio vs PS was 10:1.

In addition to that, with Gamepass, which unequivocally cuts out chunks of sales (Cannibalizing revenue from 1st month sales especially).

I’m sure going exclusive again after releasing everything on Ps5 is going to work out great for business.

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maximusprime_17d ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted17d ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

S2Killinit16d ago

Sony PlayStation has deservedly dominated xbox. Facts

Tanktopmaster9216d ago (Edited 16d ago )

Ok tween.

Xbox series SX got outsold 10:1 last month. lol.

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shadowT17d ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers17d ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz14917d ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

ocelot0716d ago

Agreed and I think that's where they are going to focus on more. I think cheaper games on Windows/Xbox store (MS IP) compared to Steam and Epic and maybe even compared to PSN store as well.

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