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Destiny 2’s Beta Continues the Pattern of Two Steps Forward One Step Back | JPS

There are countless reasons to be excited for Destiny 2 and only a few not to. Losing our progress and gear, most notably emblems, was a massive blow to the community. - JPS

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Christopher3243d ago

***Losing our progress and gear, most notably emblems, was a massive blow to the community***

Yeah. That's kind of how these games work. Being MMO like doesn't make it an MMO and Destiny 2 is a standalone game, not an expansion.

Elwenil3243d ago

It didn't have to be that way but from the beginning, Bungie screwed up whatever "plan" they had for this game series, if there ever was one. If they had really planned this out to be a "ten year game" or series or whatever, all of this wouldn't have been such an issue. But I think it's pretty obvious with how Destiny 1 was handled that Bungie is great with gameplay as far as the actual movement and gunplay but woefully inept at how the framework that supports all of that works in the background. From what I have seen of Destiny 2 so far, they still seem to be lacking a coherent and focused direction and instead still seem to be "playing it by ear'. Just my .02

Lavitz19893243d ago

Not that it matters, but Deej confirmed, around the time Destiny originally released, that the plan was to have this stuff continue forward. For one reason or another, this did not pan out, but it was something Bungie said over something people assumed.

jugo143243d ago

this was never confirmed around the time of the first games launch. What a load of bull shit

Lavitz19893243d ago

@ Jugo14

http://www.ign.com/articles...

"BUNGIE SAYS PLAYER PROGRESS TO CARRY OVER TO DESTINY SEQUEL"

"Update: Bungie has clarified with IGN even further saying that yes, your progress will 100% carry over to the sequel. Original story below."

"Dague also expressed the studio's plans about progress carrying over to an eventual Destiny sequel, noting that the studio intends to allow it and recognizes the attachment players form with their guardians."

What do you have to dispute this?

No Way3242d ago

Jugo14 - well, you just kinda look stupid now..

jugo143242d ago (Edited 3242d ago )

ah sorry for my earlier comment. I misread yours. I thought you said bungie said it wouldn't carry over. I agree with you that they did in fact state it would carry over. Apologies.

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spicelicka3243d ago

Although I'm happy you lose progress because I never finished Destiny 1 fully and would hate to start on unequal footing, I still think it feels more like an expansion. It looks like Destiny 1 with small improvements, the MP specially seems to be using the same assets. The gun you start off with doesn't even reflect any light as you spin your character around, it bothered me.

Christopher3243d ago

Most oft released shooters feel like the same thing with different skins (CoD, BF, etc.). This one just forgoes the whole reskinning process.

spicelicka3242d ago (Edited 3242d ago )

@Christopher

Umm that isn't exactly reassuring, it's a terrible way to justify it. Even if it did a reskin it would be something. Improving graphics doesn't just mean "reskinning". That's like saying Halo 5 is just a reskin of Halo CE, by your logic is should've just stayed the way it looked in 2001.

Christopher3241d ago

You'll notice I didn't mention Halo at all...

spicelicka3240d ago

You'll notice I gave an example to make a point. That's sorta how examples work.

Christopher3238d ago

Your point is meaningless as Halo is story driven throughout, not an annual release, and not in the category of third party shooters.

And you completely missed that looking different isn't the issue, it's playing the same no matter how they look.

spicelicka3237d ago (Edited 3237d ago )

Being story driven or not shouldn't impact the graphics (also Halo has a HUGE multiplayer component, it's not just story driven), not should it being third party. The graphics are part of the overall experience, being third party doesn't mean a game is allowed to use the same outdated assets for a sequel, specially considering how much money D1 made.

What I got from your statement is that a change in graphics is just reskinning and the gameplay remains the same, so why not just forego that process and use the same graphics. Which makes no sense because graphics add to the experience along with gameplay changes and features.

It sounds like you're justifying the bad graphics, which I don't understand why you'd need to. if they're bad then they're bad. The reason i gave Halo as an example is because it's a prominent FPS that's been around for a long time created by the same developers. By your logic Bungie would have said hey let's "forego the reskinning process" for Halo 2 because it will play the same as Halo 1 anyway, less work for us. Then do they do same thing for Halo 3, Reach? Then 343 does the same for 4, 5?? Where is the line drawn? Is every game that supposedly "plays the same" supposed to do this? Do you really want to play games that look like they're made for the PS2?

At this point I can't tell if I'm playing an expansion or a sequel, that is not a great sign.

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thorstein3243d ago

They broke the narrative.

If this is how the story works (that the tower fell), shouldn't I be able to keep the stuff that is on my back?

Shouldn't I still have the weapons I carry around with me?

How does that get taken away?

It was a fun game, don't get me wrong, but I am less than enthused about the sequel.

Christopher3242d ago

They destroyed where you store all your weapons and caught you off guard while also destroying the source of your power. You are left with what you had on you in the attack.

This is pretty standard stuff for resetting powers, equipment, and abilities in sequels.

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Nesflix3243d ago

More like one step forward, 2 steps backwards.

Knushwood Butt3242d ago

Yeah, that's the correct expression.

In terms of language, 2 steps forward one step back doesn't make any sense because it's still making progress.

FITSniper3243d ago

The last things I give a damn about are emblems. Honestly I wish they'd remove them from the game. Or at least make them not be an inventory item. I hated having to delete them to make the space for new ones I didn't care about.

spartan112g3243d ago

Nothing to see here. Just a Hunter whining who doesn't understand his own class.

DAEMONIFEAR3242d ago

Destiny 2 just isn't doing it for me I don't care how much they put into D2 or how much they balance weapons because of pvp it's just not exciting at all..And having to start over again feels depressing, because the time invested in D1 was all for nothing and starting over made me personally lose interest!! The beta is in my opinion a lackluster experience with 0 wow or nostalgic feelings

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PlayStation Scales Back Expectations for Bungie as Live-Service Risks Come Into Focus

PlayStation has scaled back expectations for Bungie after reassessing Destiny 2 development costs, highlighting the risks tied to live-service games.

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isarai_lee121d ago (Edited 121d ago )

Honestly Thank Goodness!! Yet another good sign of a possibility of returning to what made them great and undoing Jim Tyans trend chasing love service gamble. Still gotta wait and see just what direction they're going but this is a good sign in my book that they're not betting it all on live service anymore

S2Killinit119d ago (Edited 119d ago )

Not sure what you lot are talking about anymore. They need to cover all range of games. Im primarily a single player gamer, but even I cannot be daft enough to ignore the fact that we need all manner of games including live service games. Everyone here seems to be a market expert.

isarai_lee119d ago (Edited 119d ago )

Yes "all manner" not just exclusively live service like Jim was doing, but you also shouldn't be forcing devs to make games they not only have no experience making, but also flatout dont want to do.

S2Killinit119d ago

Assuming that anything like that is actually the case and not just a perception of n4g commenters of course.

Redemption-64119d ago

@isarai_lee
Yes "all manner" not just exclusively live service like Jim was doing.

I don't understand why you people have to keep making up lies. You can say you don't like some or most of their focus being on live service games, but to say they were exclusively focusing on live service games is pure copium. At most half of their games were live service and the rest were single player games. Seriously why lie about something so obvious?

isarai_lee118d ago

@Redemption-64

You say that as if we don't have word directly from Jim Ryan and PlayStation stating they wanted at least 12 live service games released within a year. Followed by tons of official word of those Live Service games being cancelled after he was pushed out. All studios combined at the time PS had 15 studios, 12 is a hell of a lot more than half of 15, and it was definitely their primary focus evident by the fact that a huge portion of their studios have taken uncharacteristically long to release or announce anything since, hell some studios have yet to release anything this gen almost 6 YEARS LATER! The only one making stuff up is you.

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Relientk77121d ago

It may take a while but maybe they are finally learning. Good! Now stop with the live service crap.

ABizzel1120d ago

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a live service here or there, but to have many of your studios start focusing on it when there has been little to no experience among them was wild.

Christopher120d ago (Edited 120d ago )

They say this and then immediately release news of the Horizons co-op game that will definitely be a Live Service game.

isarai_lee119d ago

I feel like they knew that given the fact that the very furst thing they say in the trailer is to reassure they still make so games 😆

isarai_lee119d ago

I feel like they knew that given the fact that the very first furst thing they say in the trailer is to reassure they still make so games 😆

vTuro24120d ago

Bet they're regrettings spending those billions pretty hard right now.

S2Killinit119d ago

Destiny has been a huge success.

Redemption-64119d ago

They will not. Destiny has been popular for over 10 years, something most games can never hope to achieve. Most people, including myself those Bungie was going to make a D3 after the final shape DLC. Marathon looks to be a hit and a D3 announcement could break records.

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Destiny 2 is considering adding Sparrow Racing League, unvaulted campaigns, more, new survey reveals

A new survey shows Destiny 2 is considering adding Sparrow Racing League, unvaulted campaigns, NPC sidekicks, new PvP and Gambit modes, and much more.

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