About time for those lazy devs to go back to reality.

Oh yeah, it was the same story at launch of the PS2... Sony's console stories go like this:

Sony releases new console

Developers hate on it due to architecture

Developers see what it is capable of

Developers rally behind it and start making great games

Lifespan lasts nearly 10 years

Slow start, expensive development and unusual architecture with a lack of development tools. All this caused developers to turn their nose up at the Playstation. Personally, I can understand why many weren't behind it at the start.

But times change, dev's (or the boards) primary interest is profit, the almighty buck. The PS3 is now as viable a source of revenue as any other system. Plus not forgetting Sony have worked hard to establish a good set of tools and are committed to tech sharing, the days of the "impossible to code for" excuse are long gone.

HDD as standard and BR (now established) also has greatly helped with getting developers on side.

LOL

Come to Daddy!!! ;-D

Multi-format games??? Er couldn't care less about them!!!
I want -
LBP, KillZone 2, MAG, Resistance 2, God Of War 3, GT5, MotorStorm 2:Pacific Rift, EyePet, Uncharted 2, SOCOM: Confrontation, Flower, Heavy Rain, InFamous, FF 13 Versus, White Knight Chronicles, Fat Princess[Gabe Newell], etc etc...
+HOME

+I got -
MGS4, WipeOut:HD, Resistance, GT5:Prologue, MotorStorm, Ratchet&Clank:TOD, Uncharted, Warhawk, Metal Gear Online, PJ:Eden, Super StarDust:HD, Ratchet&Clank:QFB etc etc ;-P

It seems the BEST games are on the PS3!!!;)

It's more efficient and provides a equal product, I can't see why this hasn't happened sooner.

All 3 consoles are here to stay... not one is going away, so the developers have to adapt to the 3 consoles.

What he calls growing faith I call catering to the Lowest Common Denominator due to angry fanatics punishing the devs because of PS3's architecture.

"It's just something that I have noticed occurring behind the scenes over the last year"

^^ Focusing on the weaker console allows easy development for that platfrom and the more capable one as well *vs* tapping resouces from the more capable console then struggling with the weaker one.
Many devs have done this and most still do due to competition trying to make the best product possible regardless of one version being inferior.

^^ lol as if he's the only one that has seen this, most 360 fans fear this issue.

This method although makes PS3 games run even it is still handi-capping the 360 version by default not allowing full potential

(scaling back what PS3 has trouble with from the 360 stand point by catering to PS3 hardware in one method to begain with)

an interesting perspective and a good article

kind of like romeo and juliet

The xbox 360 was loved so much by developers is because its basically a pc, mostly the same stuff they use for windows in terms of games development and we all know that game developers mostly start off making games for PCs and do develop and test them on there. So naturally they are going edge towards the 360.

Basically, Sony designed a games console - microsoft took what they already have from their games for windows platform and all this and expanded it and put it straight into their xbox. But yeah, technically though microsoft did design a games console but they took what they already have which wasn't really specially designed for what it is, it works perfectly fine though - don't get me wrong, however sony designed their console to be as good at doing its job as they could - In theory this should allow better games to be created on the system, on the tech side of things. Like for example, there was those devs from kojima productions really praising sonys ram setup with the high speed XDR ram they have in there, seems though people are being ignorant and assuming that more = better when in ram, its not always the case and you should already know that if you are a hardcore pc gamer.

I'm not saying either are better, but its easy to understand why the developers loved the 360.

Anyway, the ps3 is to big to ignore and is rapidly growing - recently getting alot of really good press opposed to the bad it got last year.

good

If it was released 6 months ago when most third party developers announced PS3 as their lead console for development.

The reason has nothing to do with the PS3's potential, or it being less powerful. It has to do with one thing. Losses porting things from the PS3 to the 360 are less than when porting from the 360 to the PS3.

Easily the best thing the 360 did this gen was making a system that was easy to develop for.

@below: it didn't bottleneck anything. Developers can still put their games on more than one DVD, and a lot of developers can still fit their games easily on DVD's. The only thing it would have done this gen is make some games more compressed or some games require multi-disk releases.

The two worst things they did on that are obviously skimping on dev costs causing RROD, and charging royalties per disk for multi disk releases.

And so the trend begins I expect most multiplatform games to be made on PS3 by 2009.
I predict.
90%-PS3 as lead platform
10%-360 lead platform for some devs. (ex. Valve)

but this is good news, bcause the 360 does have a lot of software and Sony is just releasing a library of software for the PS3

With the PS3 in lead development, it will benefit both systems! Isnt that what several developers have said?

Sony is really starting to pick up some steam. LBP will be huge along with Resistance, and Sony seems to have learned some humility along the way. I think the reason why the devs wanted to develop for the 360 was because of the install base, but now alot has changed. Alot of people get emotional on here about business decisions, but it's just that business. It is no secrect that all three consoles have pushed each other to do better, and we the gamers, have benefited greatly from it. It will be interesting to see how this generation of consoles winds down, and the next gen starts popping up.

fat princess looks hilarious ill pick that up when its released

in PS3 games. I'm one of those lucky few that owns both a 360 and PS3 (I even have a Wii), both of which are hooked up to my 1080p HD big-screen. Numerous times now i have put a copy of a multi-format game in each system and switched the input back and forth to compare. Early in the PS3 life cycle, the 360 games almost always looked better. For example, Madden 08, Grid, Fight Night 3, Skate, and the Orange Box all looked better on the 360.

Time has gone by, and things have become more balanced. Almost every knew multi-platform game i compare looks identical. Sometimes the 360 still wins (Mercenaries 2), but the PS3 now wins just as often. For example, the following all look better on PS3: Oblivion: The Elder Scrolls 4, Call of Duty 4 (which was surprising), Pure, Burnout Paradise, Force Unleashed, and Grand theft Auto IV.

The real point to take away from this is that we can all be winners. As developers improve their capabilities on both systems, games will only get better no matter which platform you choose. With Gears 2, Resistance 2, LBP, Left 4 Dead, Fallout 3, Motorstorm 2, Dead Space, Banjoe Kazooie, Fable 2, and Call of Duty 5 on the way, times are good for every HD gamer; period.

But I would like this author to keep updating this article every few months so we can see if this is just a 50:50 exchange or if the publishing tide will slowly move in PS3's favor, which is what they're predicting.

i think in all honesty the PS3 is struggling, here in the uk europes biggest market the xbox 360 is thumping the PS3 by over a million consoles, and looking at the games charts i don't see a PS3 game in the top ten for months.

It's been two years now nearly for the PS3 and nothing is improving, so all that talk of the ps3 being like the PS2 is just fanboys hoping history will repeat it's self, it's like this PS3 is in the big boys market now and all the casual gamers that played the ps2 have gone too the wii because the ps2 was a casual gamers console whereas xbox as always been Pro Hardcore.

I myself like the PS3 and like what it's doing getting out of the casual gamers market and into the hardcore market, because i must say the games lately have been much, much better than the xbox360 cod4 is awesome on PS3 and i thought Fifa 08 was brilliant compared to the faded graphics of the xbox360, least sony has made one giant leap.

of course they back it .. it's the better system with the latest technology. best graphics, best sound, best console!!!!

its all on a wheel...it all goes around...the smart ones get in on the bottom (and just deal with the learning curve early) and when it gets to the top, their games are AAA titles...
Gabe chooses not to get on, so as the PS3 gains ground...his missed oppportunity

well i think thats how the gaming industry goes ...for game developers they will go where they think a console sale's good.

... does anyone know which McDonalds Itagaki works in now? They are trying to send him his "Developer Fanboy" award.

This guy sounds like he just needs somthing to make him feel better about his choice.

Another freaking joke article from some "fanboy". Where is the proof?!?!? This all speculation on the authors part. Yet the P$3 fans act as if it were written in stone, I just don't get it.

I cannot stand how many of these BS articles get approved! I don't care if it's pro-PS3 anti Xbox or pro-Wii. Stuff like this is not news! It's a game players blog for crying out loud!

Ohh..on a side note, when CD was first introduced as a gaming medium you had a ton of crappy FMV games, no one ever thought they would be able to fill the disc. History repeats itself.

fact ps3 is much harder to code for
fact 360 uses c+ c++

fact if you put the effort in to make a game run smoothly on the cell porting it to other systems is far easier

both consoles are good but you get out of the ps3 what youp ut into it early games barly used spes and ran primarly on the ppe.. bad idea naughty dog started using spes properly and got great benifit from them

PSN owns XBL

and im not talking features they both have online

im talking games!

add on: Dishwasher? Really? The best game you can download on PSN is Warhawk! Not wipeout! Burnout is better then Wipeout! Eden is better then Wipeout! Tekken 5 is better then Wipeout! Socom is better then Wipeout! GT5P is better then Wipeout! BLAH BLAH BLAH

~~baby powder on hand
*slap

i dont like rpg very much either...
find them tedious and wearing

*goes back to playing oblivion*

Too late...

multiplats I buy used from gamestop. It makes no sense to pay full price for a little DVD game that wants to charge $10 to $20 more for dlc. Then don't even have trophies. 2 games this year made the exception. I bought burnout paradise & battlefield bad company first day. Bad company is starting to let me down but I mostly play this game for the incredible audio.
exclusives & psn for me all day.

I got bills to pay & I aint gonna add on another one for my online gaming hobby. I pay for quality
& sophistication.

See ya online.
Ram Magnus has aknowledged you... For a moment.

Killzone 2 says hi, kicks you in the groin and then laughs at your face.

LOL. The devs who do a patch for a ps3 game after 6 months to add the support for poor man's achievements. Games constantly get delayed due to ps3s bottlenecks. Right, only sony's first party devs have the patience or courage or resources to make exclusives for it otherwise no 3rd party wants to dig a hole themselves to make ps3 exclusive.

but if there are burnout fans I don't want to fight you because you are right. Though I got burnout the first day on disc.
My second favorite is SIREN.
That game haunts me still.

But my all time favorite game is tekken online & then warhawk.

Thats me.

I'm not surprised to hear that a Multiplatform game on the PS3 is also shipped in on a DVD because developers have to make it that way because of the Xbox 360. If a game was developed EXCLUSIVELY on the PS3 DVD wouldn't be enough.

Ted Price said that the way Resistance 2 is now wouldn't even be possible without Blu-ray. Guerrilla Games said the same thing about Killzone 2 and Kojima Productions said the same thing about MGS4, Blu-ray was essential in the development process.

Sure, MGS4 and other PS3 exclusives could be done on DVD, but they wouldn't have had the same quality and the amount of content without the Blu-ray.

The only developers that are actually utilizing the PS3 are developers that create PS3 exclusives, most of these Multiplatform games are just scratching the surface of the PS3.

But I've noticed that more and more developers have led development on the PS3 and I'm glad to see it happen. Hopefully those same developers will start optimizing ALL of there future games for the PS3 fully and take advantage of that Blu-ray and just release future 360 games on 5 or 6 discs.

I'm really got my fingers crossed for socom confrontation.
This game would take top honors for my favorite psn game.

I got my eye out for The Punisher psn game as well.

Back to topic: devs taking notice of the hardcore ps3 install
base. Duhhhhhhhhhhh!
but there's one problem. Ps3 gamers are the hardcore
mature bunch & aint gonna buy crap or fall for hype & gimmicks.
Devs gotta bring it & filling up the bluray is a start.
Don't think copy & pasting a DVD on there is gonna fool anybody.
got it?

PS3 is the lead platform for Mirrors Edge and FFXIII.

juuken's post number 6.1 is 100% true. Just add the "But Xbox is winning on sales!" and you have a list of what all 360 fanboys say :) It's like a broken record. No new arguments come up.

i ommited that as its relevence wasnt needed

cells a femaledog to switch to until you get the hang of it

then its not so bad its the ordering and layout of the code
360 is pc spagetticode
but both are in order cpus ...i thought xenon was OoO but its locked in in order mode

Christ is it me or you cant read one of these posts without some zealot raging about how great his console is WHO CARES FE@K OFF YOU TW@TS......

And relax

but close brd is more resistant

hi ali oh it is he ali of britan .
:)

Perfect example of the Tortoise and the Hare. Slow and steady wins the race.

The 360 (hare) dashed out the gate and got a 2 mile on PS3 (tortoise). It was rocking and had everything console gamers could want. But using all that energy at the start meant it would slow down in the middle of the race, allowing the pacing PS3 to gain ground.

They are getting closer to the end, and we all know how that turns out.

Well, from a developers standpoint, in order to make money in the future, you're going to have to start sometime. Sony will no doubt be using a hybrid Cell chip in their next system to save money and cut cost as much as possible. No doubt it'll be super powerful compared to this one, by the way.

The longer these dev's wait to jump into the complex nature of this cell chip, the longer it will be until they get their heads around the next gen.

it may seem like that in warhawk but that because its hard to strategize. I talk all the time & in warhawk the most you can say is defend zone 6 or spawn at 3. You die in every 5 seconds & nobody really camps anymore since snipers have jetpacks now. My advise :play zones & make friends.

Games with chatterboxes:
burnout
socom beta
mgo
tekken online
resistance squads but I find resistance boring to begin with.
cod4
these games are great for adding friends to your friendslist as long
as you are not annoying.

If the 360 can do more, then make it do more,

If the PS3 can do mre, then make it do more.

Play to the strengths of each platform.

I don't care if a game is better on either console

as long as the game is it's best on both consoles.

It's easy to remove things out of necessity.

It's hard to accept the fact that things were removed because of conformity.

I saw this on flamingwars.com I thought it was funny. But um. I think this is expected.

I got a PS3 but I preffer my brother's xbox360 but the only reason I still did not buy a Microsoft's console is because the RRoD problem, I will wait for a Slim model.

Ps3 is a relaible hardware and stuff but for me it still lacks on game, even counting the ones that will be coming this fall.

I really did not like MGS4, it is one of the dumpest games I have ever played but to make sure of it I finish it 3 times and ...I keep laughing so loud every time I watch those cinematic videos......I did not like at all Hideo Kojima as a director for the videos .

Anyways PS3 is weak still, MGS4 and GTA4 are more or less games and the few uber games like Heavenly Sword and Uncharted that are really good games they have almost zero replayability and they way too short,

I am a Sony and Nintendo fanboy but I can't denny to say that Ps3 is a trobble machine since it is ahead of it age and devs don't want to work hard to make games.....and one year younger then the xbox360 is no excuse to have 200000 less games.

Xbox360 and Wii is the perfect combination......gahh come on and launch an Xbox360 Slim because it will probably be RRoD free ! I want to buy it.

"I hate to say it PS3 fans, but a big chunk of multi-format code that comes into our office on PS3 comes on a humble DVD. Because it fits… of course it does, it is also on Xbox 360 after all. They just slap it on a Blu-ray disc for the final release."

Now I know why when reviewers compare the graphics why the ps3 is always the way it is. Its because its on a stupid DVD!

Siren is a 9gig game. When the xbox can download a full dvd9 game
i'll consider it's power. Other then that this is not news.
This is history repeating itself.

It's a Chris Stead article, I'd expect nothing less of him than to take a natural balancing out of development, and make it pro PS3.

on the reliable system.

What good is the best game ever made, if your system has a good chance of breaking when you play it?

Still only 8% of the market DVD 92%. How can anyone argue that blue-ray is even a factor yet better yes but will it stick.

Not sure about you guys.

I've watched countless films in sd, and i've watched quite a few in hd.

And unless you are going blind,have your eyes shut,have a woman on top of you.

There is a difference.

One film that everyone knows is Finding nemo, It's some of the nicest animation i've seen, such a detailed colourful world. And in HD it looks amazing. Still looks good in sd, but i noticed alot more detail in things, you wouldn't even know were there.

people need to think about how things work. for instance lets compare it to the internet.

when your connected to the internet and playing online with friends on a peer to peer. your only as fast as the slowest connection speed. doesn't matter if you have fios, T1, broadband or dial up. the slowest connection becomes the cap for everyone.

same goes for multiplatform games design. when making a multiplatform game, if your starting with the 360, you say "what's our max? will it fit on the ps3? make it happen" if your starting on the ps3 "did we add too much? should we compress somethings? will it fit on the 360? make it happen" as long as the end result is equal. but that's only for games that are started on the ps3 and ported to the 360 and vice a versa.

i look forward to a time when games are just built from the ground up independently. sacred 2 for the ps3 for instance is not a port of the 360 or pc. its built from the ground up for the ps3. doesnt mean it will be better but it will work as it should on a ps3 because it wasn't designed with the 360 in mind.

bioshock also could have taken advantage of the ps3 but the goal was to keep it on par with the 360.

say what you want about not needing a bigger dvd but when a baseball game cant fit outfits and stadiums and has to come in the form of a DLC that's a problem.

the argument of is blu ray being taken advantage. yes it is. the size doesn't always mean more content. it means the same content is better. you can rip a blu ray movie and play it off your hard drive. with just about equal visual quality.. what you don't get is the lossless audio that's on the blu ray. and the quality is uncompressed. a blu ray movie ripped is roughly 12gb and up without the lossless audio.

in regards to metal gear solid 4. kojima already broke it down. the maps for each of the levels were huge. not one rock looked like another rock. it wasnt just one room over and over again with the furniture moved around and a different coat of paint. go back to mgs4 and just stroll through each map and see how truly large in scale the metal gear solid 4 world is. something that could not be done on dvd9 without condensing the world around you.

while blu ray transfers larger data faster also. a big advantage to the size of the blu ray is you can copy and paste a map and place it in multiple places throughout the disc increasing seek/read times.

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some companies are either lazy, cheap, broke or just dont want to admit they need help. insomniac has a team that is available to assist any developer with ps3 game development. they are not taking advantage of insomniacs assistance.

if a great game like uncharted can run on the ps3 without installs then any game can. the quality was so rich there times on first play through you didnt know where the gameplay and cutscene began or ended.
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who's fault is this? sony's. they should have extended assistance from day one to developers.
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as far lead consoles. critirion expressed that it was better to develop for the ps3 first then port to the 360. lucas arts also discovered this and announced that it too plans to make the ps3 the lead console.

the developer behind sacred decided to build the 360 and ps3 builds separately

to compare which machine is better you cant really base it on multiplatform games. its the exclusives that should be used to compare power.

Halo 3
Too Human
Ninja Gaiden 2
gears of war
etc

mgs4
uncharted
resistance
gran turismo
etc

only first party games take advantage of a consoles abilities not multiplatform games based on the lowest common denominator..

aside from gears of war and bioshock i dont think the 360 has really shined visually (havent seen too human in person and mass effect suffered from screen tears and frame rate drops when i played it) . i'd be more interested in seeing how the 360 is going to be pushed with gears of war 2 and alan wake and games like that, that look forward into what else it can do. its one reason that no other games outside of microsoft exclusives take advantage of halo 3, level design and record mode. if halo 3 was a multiplatform game some features would suffer. but since its exclusive, it takes advantage of gameplay features based on the 360 hardware, software and online service. its not the prettiest of games nor the greatest in mechanics but what it does it does extremely well for the reason of exclusivity.

same can be said about mgs4 and other ps3 exclusives.

only very few multiplatform games work well out the box. cod4 comes to mind.
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the only one winner when it comes to multiplatform games are the publisher/developer not the console.

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in defense of the 360, (cant believe i'm saying this) careful what a developer says. epic said they are pushing the 360 to its limits and that past that point there is no further to go. the right way to read that is that the unreal engine 3 probably cant push the 360 further as is. maybe some code tweaks or a different engine can excel where epic hits a brick wall.

that's my two cents

sorry for typing so much, people kept coming into my office so i kept typing off and on not realizing how much i was typing...