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Warren Spector Thinks AAA Gaming Is "Same Old, With Prettier Pictures"

Legendary game developer Warren Spector (Deus Ex) says that he isn't interested in AAA gaming, calling it "same old, with prettier pictures".

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Yukes3250d ago

Isn't he? What does "same old" even mean? Same as what? Games these days tell more immersive stories than ever before, and feature better combat than ever before. What has Spector done for the industry of late?

FullmetalRoyale3250d ago

Best case, an argument could be made for this gen being close to last gen, with games like TLoU.
But that all blows the gen before out of the water. So idk what the problem is.

Swiftfox3250d ago (Edited 3250d ago )

They do? I would certainly say the quality of the stories being told are certainly more palatable, but are honestly nothing Hollywood hasn't already explored. I also think you hit the nail on the head "Tell more...." Games are not books, and they are not films. Games are a unique medium and yet are constantly being held down to a "gameplay, cutscene, gameplay, cutscene" we've had since the 90's with stories being told to us in the film method in the AAA space.

Better combat? Interesting you went with combat like that's the only thing games can have. An odd declaration players in games must be shooting something or beating something up. Nothing wrong with those experiences, but games can do so much more than just combat. Even the combat you're speaking of hasn't really evolved passed "move along, kill something, keep going." Favorite of the gen AAA game is open world and combat is simply "choose what you want to do: Action or Stealth?" Just listen to how many open world developers of AAA in a sit down stress "we want to give the player choice," Which is honestly short hand for "We want to make everyone happy and not alienate potential buyers."

Finally, asking what the person making the criticism has done lately is rather short sighted and dismissive. He's been developing games as whole, not just video games, longer than many users of this site have been alive. He's worked with big publishers and knows the industry inside and out. We don't get perspectives like these often, and criticisms like his are a healthy thing for the industry as a whole.

Concertoine3250d ago (Edited 3250d ago )

A lot of games feel same-y. So many games have bare bones and boring upgrade/skill trees, lack of open-ended design, perfunctory quest rewards, etc.

If i had a dollar for every game i spent crouch walking in bushes, throwing objects to distract braindead AI so i can hold a button to take them out of the fight.

Also, better combat? Like what? In fighting games combat has been dumbed down to the point of boredom. In hack and slash games, I'd say the complexity of combos and systems peaked at Bayonetta or DMC 4, 7 years ago.

morganfell3250d ago

@Yukes,

You are dead on the money. Spector is wrong. He is another person hanging on in an industry where he has lost relevancy. You do not see people trying to invent new types of Baseball, Basketball, or Football. No, you see teams trying to perfect those tried and true formulas. Same with gaming. Wild off the wall titles may catch our eye but they cannot hold our attention. It is a title that perfects a game type that actually isn't new which winds up having staying power.

agent45323250d ago

The lack of gameplay evolution. Gameplay in games peaked in the PS2 era which mark the last time of true gameplay evolution.

AAWELLS093249d ago

Exactly what I was thinking. If he is so amazing he should show everyone how its done.

Christopher3249d ago

***Games these days tell more immersive stories than ever before***

Being more immersive means being prettier and easier to identify with. You just agreed with the person.

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freshslicepizza3250d ago

No, he's not wrong. The AAA market is not sustainable which is why we have so many delays in projects and so much content either cut out for DLC or season passes.

The AAA market plays it way too safe, you want interesting games check out some indie titles or better yet the vast selection on the PC.

Istolla3250d ago

Indie games and Nintendo games are all I've been playing lately.

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gametrotter3250d ago

Yep, the indie scene is where proper games are being made. All of the standout experiences have been indie games. Think of Inside last year...

You've still got awesome AAA games, but there's way too much reliance on graphics and open world design. But that's what sells...

The 10th Rider3250d ago

Games cost more to produce now, so AAA publishers have gotten bigger and a lot of smaller studios have gone under because they're not able to keep up. AAA publishers play things largely by the books because that's what will sell. With the size of teams there's also a lot less room for an individual to step in and make a difference in a game's development. The indie scene then rose up, focusing on smaller games and allowing for a lot more innovation. However those don't get the budget that those AAA games get. There's a lot of indie games I love, but I also hate that they're smaller in scope and the enjoyment is relatively short lived. What we need is some indie games that get larger in budget in scope, and some AAA publishers to give studios the reigns to try smaller passion projects. Not everything has to be a AAA blockbuster, but also not everything needs to be a 4-10 hour indie game. We've lost the middle ground and that's a big issue.

-Foxtrot3250d ago

Oh and what was Epic Mickeys excuse?

Had a great licence and messed up...twice

gamerpop3250d ago

He isn't a has-been ranting for the sake of ranting, though. Spector is largely right in what he's saying... Even Horizon Zero Dawn, which was super awesome, is just a rinse and repeat of everything we've seen before.

-Foxtrot3250d ago

They were good games though...his games have been lacklustre

I think he's just a little bitter....not completely wrong but if he really thinks that then maybe he should try and do something to go against that instead of being all talk.

AspiringProGenji3250d ago

I don't remember dealing with mechanical animals and dinos before... Do you mean the gameplay? Yeah Horizon may not have reinvented the wheel, but did it have to? Horizon has identity and sticks heavily to its concept despite borrowing ideas. That is where it success greatly: Identity

I believe in these days, Identity is very important since pretty much every idea has been played out already. Blizzard succeds doing this where their games aren't original but improved others' ideas and mechanics

I can see a gamer complaining about AAA being the same, but a developer? Why isn't he then making an AAA and show others how it's done?

ZeroX98763250d ago (Edited 3250d ago )

I love games with a LOT of story telling and character progression. Graphics isn't the only aspect of a game.
Great voice actors aren't usually cheap.
People loves big games and if they're not completely generated by an algorithm, it takes a very large team to do it.
Sound effects in games like Gran Turismo and Forza actually needs a lot of different recordings to ensure accuracy and even then, people critics the final product!
Motion caps needs to be taken into consideration also to eliminate those old horrible animations.

Indie games are amazing at what they do, but I wouldn't abandon AAA titles because they're "same old with prettier pictures". But, I can understand that some of the AA titles can be considered mere copies of prior titles.

Cmv383250d ago

I hate this outlook. What was rinse and repeat about hzd?

Secondly every game is going to use elements from other games. Even minecraft did. Think of a fans with 100% new experience..... now create that game because you're about to be a millionaire.

I personally just want to play good games. A game is the sum of its parts. Hopefully all its parts work together and create a fun game.

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Princess_Pilfer3250d ago

wether or not his games are good, and wether or mot he can change that has no impact on his point. (spoilers: no one game dev can chhange the publishing and development practices of an entire industry so long as said industry remains profitable they have no reason to listen).

The 10th Rider3250d ago (Edited 3250d ago )

His point wasn't that games aren't good, it's that there's not enough innovation in AAA games.

As for Epic Mickey: Yeah they weren't the best, but there was a lot of things he wanted to do that were shot down. He was originally going to have it so you could be an evil Mickey, of sorts. he also wanted to make it so that the third game in the trilogy was part musical. Both of those were shot down though. At least he was trying for something new.

As for what he's actually saying here: Look at series like Call of Duty, Battlefield, Assassin's Creed, Far Cry . . . A lot of AAA series just release the same stuff every year or every other year. Those are the games that top the sales charts every year and for the most part they ARE the same thing each year with minimal improvements and a new coat of paint.

agent45323250d ago

Sadly you are correct. I still do not understand how call of duty and battlefield outsold Titanfall 2 a fps game that allow the gamer to use robots like Gundam, with no microtransanctions, free DLC, and an actual single player campaign.

The 10th Rider3249d ago (Edited 3249d ago )

Battlefield One is the only one of those series that I bought new recently. I had gotten Battlefield 3 for free at some point and Battlefield 4 for like $5. I never really played either because I was getting tired of the modern setting and I prefer Bad Company 2 anyways.

I'd have bought Titanfall 2 brand new if a WW1 Battlefield wasn't releasing the same month. No idea what EA was thinking there. They would have better off holding it for Spring, if nothing else.

basilboxer3250d ago

I can think of a ton of AAA games that are still breaking new ground. Persona 5 and Breath of the Wild to name two from this year alone...

Segata3250d ago

I love persona 5 but what ground did it break? It was pretty much a Persona game which we been playing for 20 years. Yeah the dungeons are different than before but nothing groundbreaking.

Cy3250d ago

Typical dismissive crap designed to make him look smart and above it all while not actually offering any real, substantial criticism or alternatives.

Void0003250d ago

Have you read any of his articles or listened to any of his podcasts? He makes very pointed criticisms.

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Take-Two CEO Once Again Side Steps Grand Theft Auto 6 Price Point

Strauss Zelnick says price of GTA 6 is being carefully considered and that Rockstar is focused on "making the most spectacular piece of entertainment on Earth."

Kuma36d ago

If GTA 6 abandons everything that made GTA 5 great, it will crash and burn right out of the gate. GTA 5 was funny and not at all PC. My worry is that they will cave to the PC crowd and ruin the vibes.

Eonjay36d ago

They got freaking BBLs twerking on the top of trucks for the gram, the freaking Flordia joker, and dude running down the stree in their undies and you are worried about it being 'too PC'? The internet has runied gamers. It doesn't matter how non-PC they make the game, you will all listen to the grifters telling you not to believe your lying eyes lol.

gigoran836d ago

"Rockstar Games’ co-founder and former VP of Development Jamie King said he envisions GTA 6 as a game that’s “maybe not quite as edgy or quite as funny” as its satirical predecessors."

oh yeah, totally internet grifters spreading rumors...

blacktiger36d ago

That's part of the plan, they destroyed you but they need to destroy the shareholders? Only 1 shre holder is the true elite that don't care

1nsomniac36d ago (Edited 36d ago )

Meh.., if it’s above £55 I ain’t buying it.

Rockstar are genuinely not half the company they used to be. I was a die hard GTA fan I’ve purchased every game and expansion and spin off day 1.

My opinion of GTA6 is that I can take it or leave it. Not bothered. They burnt too many bridges.

DaReapa36d ago (Edited 36d ago )

So they're actually leaving the door open for an L.A. Noire sequel? Nice!

VaNdAl36d ago (Edited 36d ago )

He should just come out and say it already it's getting stupid it's going to be a 100 bucks $200 for the special edition🤡🤡; 29315;🤣♿

Storm2336d ago

I won't be getting this game until I can get it for $70. SHoot, I could wait for it to be even lower. I don't need the game that badly as my backlog is still huge and I am enjoying playing other things.

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Talking Aliens: The Video Games With Author Mike Diver

Skewed and Reviewed have posted an interview with Author Mike Diver about his pending book on Aliens video games.

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay37d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn238d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers38d ago (Edited 38d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn237d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown38d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos38d ago (Edited 38d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay37d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay37d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac37d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger38d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300038d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde38d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood38d ago (Edited 38d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde37d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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