I guess this debunks the argument that the Blu-ray drive in the PS3 as being slower than the standard DVD drive in the Xbox 360.

yeah.. meanwhile blu-ray market share dropped to 8% and DVD to 92%... Toshiba who is one of the biggest blu-ray manufacturer and part of the blu-ray board believes will be dead in a few years... ohh and games on the PS3 require mandatory installs to be playable...

I do agree with the article which is based on "movies"; there is big benefit for HD movies... specially because movies play at a constant speed.. and blu-ray was made for movies...

blu-ray in general is great... blu-ray on the PS3 (2X) sucks for games...

If blu-ray survives... I think a 6X-8X blu-ray player that will not require mandatory installs will be worth adding to a console.

do you ride the short bus?

great for Games & Movies.
mgs4 was made for in 4 years. Kojima did his thing & got rid of the codec conversations being
the longest part of the story. He made it in game graphic cinemas. He added a open network to
the konami store. He added MGO. He gave us 1080p graphics for our HDTVs. He tuned up the gameplay
into a multi-genre game with 3rd person & first person shooting & action adventure/stealth game with increasingly
difficult a.I. The best boss battles & the incredible story. Plus so much more thanks to his crack at bluray. With
uncharted, ratchet & clank & gran turismo & more we know bluray can pretty games up dramatically. In the near future we will have our typical games become more for what you bargained for. With the exclusives coming its undeniable that these games cannot be done on any other console.

Bluray is also great for movies if ya didnt know. Its the hd format the movie industry has backed. High definition
is big this holiday season & it makes the perfect gift with its option to go online for even further interactivity. I love my high definition playstation 3. Its a glorious marvel of a hybrid all in one entertainment media hub. At 29 years old
I know great technolgy at a affordable price when I see one.

This is my last post for a while. So I'm gonna let this one just sink in & enjoy watching ps3 sales rise & rise
& look for you guys online. There are so many more new gamers online that its killing season time again.
So its time for me to level up faster on all of them.

My main account is PSN: MAGNUM-RAM
& I'm going dark for a little while.
Send me a friend request & check out what I'm playing at the moment.

P.s. Installs don't bother me at all. With the stuff that's happening & the power behind
these games a install in the begining is fine by me. As long as I can save my saved games
I have no problemos. Mgs4 installs between acts don't bother me. Its a 2 & half minute install
every 5 hours. That's about the same time as a mass effect loading screen. Not to mention
some long a$$ elevator rides. So haters get lost & critique the RROD or something.

Peace out players.
We are the champions of gaming.
Sony stands supreme for a decade & for eternity.

Good luck xbots. You're gonna need it. Enjoy those LOL avatars.

do you remember your first DVD? How about your first DVD game?
were you even born before DVD?

You just can't face the fact that DVDs are being phased out huh?
well there's good news for you. Its not like VHS tapes & DVD players dude.
you don't have to burn that DVD collection you got because ps3 plays DVD too.

Also, cellphones have this touchpad technology. You should look into it. Its called a iPhone.
I know its a bit scary how far we've come so quickly.

My name is magnum ram & I aint nobodies PC.

It's nice to have some thing outside gaming journalists to just tell facts. No bias, no bull.

what a garbage tech. HD DVD was more advanced. a shame Sony paid out all those movie houses.

Enjoyed reading the article.

And a 2x Blu has a 72mb transfer rate. A DVD has a transfer rate of 10mbs. I wonder what transfer rate a 12x DVD would have. I bet it's higher than 72mbs.

is 72 megabits per second
not mega bytes

16x dvd does read faster then 2x brd but if it goes to 4-6x brd then its clearly in brds favor

load times dont bother me a bit in most next gen games. most load times are less then a minute and some ps3 games only load for about 5 seconds to 10. installs do kinda bother me because of harddrive size but that can be fixed. is dvd really that much faster or are they both about the same.

This article is about Blu-ray as a format. It has -NOTHING- to do with the 360 or the PS3, with the exception that the PS3 happens to read Blu-ray disks. The article in no way, shape or form says anything that can be applicable to the console wars. It's like saying "Oh CD's are better than DVDs because my 32x CD-Rom drive is faster than my 2x DVD-ROM drive". Everyone knows that's rubbish.
But it amuses me when certain people just can't get it into their head that the format itself isn't a problem, it's the bloody drives that read them. You have to accept it, as an early-generation BD-ROM drive, the PS3's is a bit slow. It sucks, but it's the truth and all the facts and figures in the world aren't going to change that. DVD has been around for a decade, it's one of those technologies that isn't really going to improve, it's already at it's peak, so of course you can expect it to be pretty fast. In a couple of years time, you'll have 8x and 12x BD-ROM drives that'll have phenomenal read speeds, but right now it's a new format and still has a lot to be developed.
And who came up with that gem of an excuse, that "It's not the drive being slower, it's the developers not knowing how to utilise the PS3's architecture just yet!". That's brilliant, that is, that's why we had people like Bethesda saying they had to duplicate data on the disk in order to get it to read faster, right? Because they didn't know how to use the CELL properly, right? Yeah, because the CELL is responsible for reading data off of the disk, of course....oh wait, it's not, you pulled THAT excuse right out of your arse. Yes, it's true developers are still working on using the CELL to it's "full potential" (Which isn't as easy to do in a game as you might think), but that's a different matter ENTIRELY.
And of course, Uncharted ALWAYS comes out as an example that it's possible to make a game without installations. That. One. Game.
Didn't anyone think for a second that maybe the techniques used in Uncharted might not necessarily apply to other games? You know, an exploration-running-around-a-f orest game where you often have to stop to climb walls and stuff? It's not like in say...GTA, where you can jump into a car at ANY time and speed off in any direction, Uncharted is a bit more linear than that and has a much slower pace, which works well for streaming. Or how about that because Naughty-dog built the engine from the ground up JUST for the PS3, that they might have employed some special threading techniques that you can't just plug into an existing engine? Did nobody think of that?

Oh and guess what - I'm a PS3 owner and I think it's a great console, so before you think I'm just a 360 fanboy, have a little perspective. Oh and I make games for a living, for whatever that's worth.

The 360 DVD drive reads Single layer DVD's at 12x. And reads Dual Layer DVD at 8x. Since the majority of 360 games are nearly maxing out Dual layer DVD's games are read at 8x which is comparable to PS3 Blu-ray which reads at 2x.