Tbh take from me the recommended i7 9/10 is marketing ploy unwarranted from someone who had plenty i7s and i5s as a primary Gamer first not much in it for the price performance. Any game built to run on mid range pc optimised well is a game that deservs your money and devs support.
My rigs I build over the years tend to been high end money saved from i7 to i5 spent on better vga

I understand this and why it's done this way. They were shown on medium settings at the reveal. But if it was shown on medium settings on a PC and ran beautifully, are we really ready to conceded that none of the consoles can run at 1080/60? I don't buy it!

Destiny 2 looks exactly like Destiny 1 from 3 years ago. If you don't think they can get that game at LEAST running 1080p 60fp on the pro/scorpio then you are kidding yourself.
I don't ever bash a developer because I have 0 experience in the field, but come on. Their engine needs serious revamping if that is the case.

@slate

Yes, their engine needs revamping, they need to use the CPU less for things the GPU can be used for, which would mean it can run 60fps even on PS4 and X1 just not in 1080p. And on Pro and Scorpio they can go above 1080p, especially with techniques like checkerboard rendering...

But to just add such a mode for Pro/Scorpio users and do all the work in the engine for it (also GPU compute code is not portable between nvdidia/amd on PC nor between Xbox/PS4) would be rather unrealistic to expect.

While this is true I will never believe that it can't run a 4v4 at 1080/60. No way! B1 does it!

@joab

BF4 does not run at 60 fps on Pro, it is a unlocked fps that barely hits 60 especially in 32vs32.

Different engines give different results. Odds are a decade old Halo engine is not as optimised as Frostbite 3.

@lawson bungie is not using the halo engine thats clearly priority property owned by Microsoft hence the reason destiny don't have theather mode or custom games built in, destiny 2 is built on a whole new engine why else wouldn't we be able to carry all our shit over, and the devs have said time and time again the game is built on a new engine to erase limitations the legacy consoles held on the first game, you guys say the game looks the same but it performs better and the color palette is totally different, you can tell the difference in the partical effects when you throw a grenade use your super etc, and destiny 2 has drivable tanks more physics destiny 2 wouldn't be possible on the destiny 1 engine haters..

Ah yes, tinfoil hat indeed!

We don't have choices, should be so easy, therefor it is forced parity! No other reasons can exist than that! /s

Bungie said that THEIR engine uses the CPU for lots of calculations for AI, physics, particle effects, etc. This means that for THEIR engine the CPU is the bottleneck.

They can move it to the GPU and achieve 60fps which will then affect resolution and/or visual fidelity, PLUS it is only something they then have to do tons of work for a selectable mode that only PS4 Pro and Scorpio users can select of which not all users will choose this mode. This means that for a very small amount of the install base they would need to put in a lot of work. Sound sensible to you?

Though I have to agree they still should have done it AND then run the game ALWAYS at 60fps on consoles, lower the resolution on PS4/X1 to the 720p-900p range, lower visuals a bit and run it at a smooth 60fps. On Pro and Scorpio they could've used checkerboard render techniques and achieve good looking higher than 1080p visuals.

They decided not to.

But please, stop with the nonsense and think, there's no paid for parity...

Arkham Knight vibes >_>

it is but slightly improved upon with better power efficiency, and slightly faster out of the box factory OC's. Overall...it is an rx 480

they already confirmed 29:1 support

Yes "all manner" not just exclusively live service like Jim was doing, but you also shouldn't be forcing devs to make games they not only have no experience making, but also flatout dont want to do.

Assuming that anything like that is actually the case and not just a perception of n4g commenters of course.

@isarai_lee
Yes "all manner" not just exclusively live service like Jim was doing.

I don't understand why you people have to keep making up lies. You can say you don't like some or most of their focus being on live service games, but to say they were exclusively focusing on live service games is pure copium. At most half of their games were live service and the rest were single player games. Seriously why lie about something so obvious?