Consoles are optimized better than PC

That looks pretty good actually. It proves that the games could handle 4k30fps at ultra without optimization. If ms is able to really utilise their dx12 and make devs optimise the hell out of this machine i can see some games running at 4k60fps

Meanwhile people who bought a moderately powerful gaming PC from 4 years ago can just buy an updated graphics card that would just destroy this.

Haha, such a pointless video. You have to be pretty clueless to think this is even close to a real world comparison.

This is pointless due to so many reasons

When will people realize that consoles punch above their weight because they have far less overhead in running background processes like a PC plus they are a more fixed platform that is able to be optimized much more. The Scorpio will preform better than a similar spec PC but not as good as top of the line hardware.

i don't really understand this article. The FX 8350 is going to bottleneck the crap outta that rx 580. Switching out that for a Ryzen 5 or a core i5 would easily net you better performance with that card. More to the point, the fact that the Scorpio and a gaming pc are completely different as the the Scorpio is using an SoC and has to share resources between the cpu and gpu where as a gaming pc has dedicated graphics processing via a dedicated gpu. This isn't even a fair comparison at all.

Let alone the overall price being ~$900 when the Scorpio will be nowhere near that.

I see that there are many positive comments and many negative comments. Is there no one in the middle of the road that visits today? No, and that's just the way I would have it.

This would be a positive comment for Scorpio, believing MS did right for Scorpio and fans...

the thing is tho... you can't really do that. consoles are way more efficient than PCs when squeezing out graphics power. a large part of this is the result of customized silicon and APIs tweaked specifically for that one configuration. This is true for Playstations, this is true for Xboxes. a PC just has the advantage of not having a cap so it can brute force power (for a price). So a PC with the same specs will actually perform less. You would have to find the efficiency gains in measurable form and apply that to the top of the PC spec for a better equivalent.

Interesting article and they do mention the differences. I expect Scorpio will be able to play the games in the article much better because they'll be optimized for it.

if your are an xbo fan it now makes zero sense to own a xbo over pc

Good article but flawed. This just shows how great ms is at customizing I doubt any of these results are an indication of what to expect. There is a lot of ms hate @N4G instead of hope for gaming. Gaming belongs to gamers not Sony or ms. Scorpio is a month away from truly revealing and like it's said time and time again it's all about the games. Scorpio will do native 4k 60 in some ,native 4k 30 in some , and finally should do a minimum 1080p 60 in all. Also yes it is way more powerful than the PS4 pro but gamers have God of war to look forward too and the pro is yet to be pushed. Good times to be a true gamer

I know this is a scorpio and amd pc comparison, but if you go with intel you could build a faster pc for even less. For example https://pcpartpicker.com/li... and https://pcpartpicker.com/li... You can save even more and get the G4560 instead of the i3 which is only $66 (amazon) and faster than the FX 8350 in gaming.

The Scorpio will perform 3 times better than this.

Heck, the XB1 still just about competes with PC rigs.

Console optimisation is excellent.

The PC in general is aweful at optimisation.

Nobody cares about Scorpio and it won't sell well.

Price will be too high and people don't give a toss about it's first party lineup.

BTW Crackdown sucks arse no matter what console it's using. poor excuse for a game.

The Scorpio will play games just fine. I have no problem with the way my pro looks and plays on my ks8000. The Scorpio has plenty of power, if Microsoft can create some decent exclusives it will be fine, as long as the price isn't too high.

I think the biggest difference and best thing going for Scorpio is not so much power (it is clear it will be better than any other console on that front which is what it will be competing against) but stability for developers. It has a single specification that can be developed for that spec. The games made for it can be created to cram every inch of performance out of that spec and as such every developer is writing from the same rule book. From a PC viewpoint, yes most PC specs can perform better but there is such variety and wide ranging specs out there that it is almost impossible for developers to develop something for everyone. So you will find a degree of variable results from one PC to another depending on how yours is set up and developers will be developing games based on their interpretation of what they think the PC rulebook says on what the middle ground is that most PC owners have as standard specs.
Scorpio offers developers the best solution for providing an all round game for everyone, while the gamers know that they are getting a game that plugs and plays straight away and doesn't require a check that your PC runs the minimum requirements. That kind of rigid structure and rule book for development helps a lot of studios, particularly smaller ones to develop games without having to worry about things like varying PC specs and peripherals.

Add to that the world we live in where people can't even be bothered to get out of a car to get fast food, and have everything delivered to the door rather than go shopping, and would rather tap buttons on an ipad to work the heating or operate the lights than getting off a sofa to press a switch, and you realise that we are in a world where less and less people are interested in researching and then creating their ideal PC to run what they hope will be most games, when they can just order an Xbox from Amazon to their door and is guaranteed to run ALL games. Hence the reason why the console industry is ever-growing.

The CPU in this build is way more powerful then what will be in Scorpio. Full fledged OS doesn't use much more resources then a console. Consoles aren't running an OS like a NES or Genesis. They have web browsers, play movies, have apps, keep track of people going online and offline, messaging, etc, etc. Jesus, the minimum spec of Windows 10 is basically a Pentium III (single core 1000mhz and 1 gb ram). Not to mention Scorpio will be using a slimmed down version of Windows 10.

4k is hard, and is a moving target. You need far more power now in 2017 to run 4k then you did in 2013. 4k is hard and even 10 TFlops isn't enough past 2017-2018 for some titles. Sure a GTX 970 can do it sometimes, and a 1070 better, etc, etc. But really even top end PC's struggle with some titles nearing 15TFlops just for 2017 games.

But overall you can say 4k/60 high/ultra settings takes about 15 TFlops in 2017. With lowered settings, and lowered framerate expectations for games in 2017, you could expand the range to say 4-15 TFlops of Nvidia power.

Scorpio will be a great device, but it's another low end 4k solution that will be hard pressed going forward. By 2019 it'll likely be using below low PC settings in many circumstances to achieve 4k.

A 4k system really won't be feasible until the 2020's at about 25-30 TFlops and even then, it will continue to creep upwards.

Don't believe me? Just look at what power you needed to run games at 1080p/60 when it started about 10-12 years ago and what is needed now. See that greater then order of magnitude increase in power needed? Exactly.

Same thing has already been happening and will continue to be happening with 4k. At this point a guesstimate would be to add 1.5-2 TFlops every year to maintain 4k/60 at comparable settings.

This isn't about Scorpio being a bad device, but just like Pro is, but these are entering the market as low end 4k devices.

But this CPU is definitely lacking. Want proof? Look at this and notice what an FX 8370 does.

http://www.pcgamer.com/inte...

Then realize the CPU is not going to be at 4ghz but 2.3ghz

A CPU is a bottleneck if it's cutting 30-40 percent of frames. A GTX 1080 with a 4ghz FX-8370 gets 85.4 FPS average among games at 1080p whereas the i7 7700k gets 112-114. Imagine the disparity if someone dropped the clock of the AMD FX 8370's frequency by almost half.

People that are expecting Scorpio to be at 4k/60 in most cases and some cases 4k/30 with medium or high level settings for 4-5 years are going to be greatly disappointed.

If you realize that Scorpio will basically stay at 2017-2018 IQ medium-ish levels (which means low and below years later) and expect 4k/30 with dips you'll be much happier with realistic expectations. It's definitely a huge upgrade from Xbox One.

No comparison kids. Scorpio was built around today's game engines in mind. Forget about that old way of thinking about things. It's in the software DX12 only 11 draw calls. Highly customization on the GPU.

I Hope i can use my xbox as a pc soon (not a real PC, but many features), connect a mouse and keyboard, play some pc games like LoL or Dota, and then move to my controller and play other games

Sorry but no current graphics card is built like the Scorpio. The GPU is a hybrid between Polaris and Vega which makes it unique. DX12 is reportedly built into the hardware itself, draw calls down to 11 instead of thousands and unified memory instead of segmented. I also think the purpose of Scorpio is take existing assets from XB1 and render at 4K resolution with greater than 4 times the memory and GPU performance or what is needed for 4K. Consoles can typically punch above their weight or GPU specs because of the close platform. I peg the XB Scorpio to have the same performance or similar to Nvidia's 1070 running AMD's APU.

Most powerful console on earth needs great games u idiot, I can't see any.

Pathetic article, just flame bait. Playstation 2 case in point, almost impossible to emulate smoothly without errors and requires pc hardware many, many times the system's original specifications to even begin to run the games via emulator at all. You cannot straight up compare a console to pc, not now, certainly not before now and probably again not in the future.

The Xbox Scorpio and a PC gaming rig are built very different and have very different softwares embedded. I have a Computer that has 12GB of Ram, an older nvidia 770 and it's specs all outmatch my Xbox One easily... yet my xb1 flat out runs Halo Wars 2 better.

This is another ignorant article. The way the programming and development for a unified system like a console, over a PC is radically different. Get informed.

What's funny is the older AMD Fury X vs the 980 ti loses to the 980 ti and the fury x has 8.6TFLOPS vs 5.6 for the 980 ti so it looks like TFLOPS are not all that matters really. I just find it funny MS is pushing that 6TFLOPS all over that place lol haha.

best thing is to wait and see at e3 instead of assuming anything them all will be revealed

What a smart article! Compare a PC that isn't streamlined and does more than what a console does, to a console. And by the way, consoles are built different for gaming a bit so that certain things are doing things differently for a streamlined approach. This article is yuck.

What a crap article. PC and concil are very different animals. Not to mention we don't know anything about it other than it's specs. Look at the pro, a PC with the pros specs can't do what the pro can

How can you compare something that isn't released?

Games are generally far easier to patch on console for targeting/increasing performance as far as I can tell, given them being a fixed platform. The problems I have had on pc from switching nvidia graphics to amd are disturbing, a good percentage of my games now won't run at all or at lower resolutions even though I went from a gtx950 2gb to an 8gb amd nitro rx 480. Colour me confused. Killer card though and the graphics are pretty sweet now with 60fps ultra or more, I do miss that super sampling from 1440p down to 1080p monitor though, some games will some won't. With nvidia every game did. Trapped on pc now due to automotive expenses, miss my XB1 always and would love a Scorpio, was the actual price ever revealed??

It's stupid to do these bc they run entirely different

What a waste of time and money for a comparison.

All I got from this is that Scorpio's price sounds closer to 600 than 400

Glad I have a powerful PC that makes scorpio look like a low end ancient relic.

Also that jaguar 'evolved' Pfft. Bahaha

All you need to get the gist of the story, one of their closing remarks.

"Due to hardware and software limitations, you shouldn’t expect our Project Scorpio-inspired PC to run exactly like Microsoft’s upcoming console, but we think there are enough sensible similarities here that should give us a rough ballpark figure of performance."

They literally admit in every section there they took liberties.

This test was in vain, a console with the same specs as a PC will win every time.. Don't believe me, look at Gears4 on Xbox one. It has 1.3 Tflops and looks comparable to the PC version at High/ ultra. Difference is, the PC version has 60FPS in single player and has things like dynamic reflections in depth view and 1080p/1440p/4K. How do I know this, because I'm pushing 8.9 Tflops on a PC and was really impressed how a 1.3 tflop machine could hang..

People are forgetting about optimizations for consoles, so imagine what a 6 Tflop machine could do with an on board DX12 chip and 12 gigs of GDDR5 ( which would probably end up being 9 gigs or 8) The good benefit about Scorpio is PC players win aswell, whereas we get more optimized games. Here are some videos.

Multiplayer
https://youtu.be/dmiOMWjyBx...

Single
https://youtu.be/59WIb1qC8r...

Optimisation is key

Just another piece of drivel from GameSpot, attempting to downplay the scorpios capabilities, and put doubt in minds of possible buyers. For one thing, what they are saying they've done is impossible to do, you can't get any equivalent CPU or GPU to the scorpio engine, as none exists on the market, because the chipset in the scorpio is fully custom.
Another thing is, and anyone with even a modicum of knowledge about console and p.c hardware would know this, that even if you could buy exact equivalents for the parts in scorpio, (which as ive said you can't), and built a p.c, it wouldn't run a game anywhere near as well as the console, as when developing for console, you have one target hardware configuration, so you know where it's strengths and weaknesses are, and you can take advantage, whereas when developing for p.c, it can't be as well optimised, because it has to run on the thousands of different possible hardware configurations there are. This is why p.c gamers often have to "brute force" games into running, using hardware many times the power of console equivalents to achieve the same results.
GameSpot, once again treating its readers like idiots.

could definitely do better for that much...
https://pcpartpicker.com/li...

Hahahahaha!!!!! Please leave those kind of test to Digital foundry.

can you guy's plz stop moving goal post around to fit your argument...
case in point when the white paper was released buy DF about scorpio every sony fan posted

scorpio won't play true 4k games it will use checkerboard rendering same as pro.
next it was
scorpio will only play games 4k 30fps @ midd to low settings.

and now it's
scorpio won't play @ 4k 60 fps with ultra setting in every game so ms lied.

can't you guys' see how dumb this makes you look.
and no amount of down playing scorpio or anything xbox related will change the outcome.

the truth is scorpio will be the most powerful console ever thanks to Microsoft.

This PC is like a Body without Soul Hahahahahaha!!!! Those guys made my Day thanks for the joke!!!!

Gamespot trying to do a Digital Foundy type analysis... lol cute.

It's like building a kit car Ferrari and wondering why it doesn't come close to the real thing.

You cant expect because scorpio parts are highly costumised lets not forget that console have a very good software costom because the dev work on certain hardware and bring the most of it i think 6 tflops of scorpio can do what 9 tflops on pc can ... Dont hate me for my opinion i would like to know what you think guys

Psst... not a Scorpio. ;)

Not very well.

Not going to judge the scorpio until it's actually out with games running on it. But I notice people keep bringing up the Forza 6 tech demo at 4K 60FPS with room to spare. For a console that is very good (depending on the price of the console.

To me that is not all that impressive. Now before you criticise me hear me out. In my bedroom I had a PC which had 8GB DDR3 ram. FX 6300 and a RX 480 8GB. That system could run Forza 6 Apex at 4K 60FPS. with Very high graphics setting (but turning down the AA) and that is with a £450 PC. Now I know consoles get a lot more optimized for PC and am sure devs will squeeze more performance out of the scorpio than an average PC. All am saying is don't let that Forza video let your hopes sky rocket out of control.

I do have to question though. Why didn't Microsoft show off Forza Horizon 3 in 4K. Now if they did that in 4K 60FPS I would be massively impressed as that's a much more demanding game than Forza 6.

These articles always show how technically inept a lot of people on here are.

I think the scorpio looks great and a perfect stepping stone for one to build up to joining the pc master race once you've got a job and all

Tell me again how the multiplatform strategy was supposed to fix everything. Look at your results and compare them to Nintendo, which keeps thriving with exclusives. Your loyal fans are gone. And let’s not forget the pile of IPs you purchased only to let them rot.

The worst thing is this is down from last years numbers/expectations which was down from the previous years numbers/expectations. You think about how long “down” has been a consistent part of the communication and you realize those subscriptions are what’s holding that boat together. The price cut of gamespass is still a price raise in a string of price raises. They are trying to use players to offset the missing revenue. Now call of duty is out of gamespass, which is literally WHY they bought the company. To draw people to the subscription. They realized they missed a boatload of money and that wasn’t sustainable. Now you pay for it like you would have if they never bought the company… so why buy the company? Mind you those billions still need to be paid back. Yeah it gives you a chance to say we make the biggest FPS… but the internal conversations must be brutal at high level on topics that really matter. Like revenue. Profitability. And ROI for the shopping spree.

Is this like the 10th quarter in a row they're down 33% on hardware how is that even mathematically possible. You would think their mediocrity would Plateau