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Microsoft Should Absolutely Stop Making Xbox Games Like Breath of the Wild and Horizon: Zero Dawn

Copying someone else's strategy is often a bad idea, and so the basic concept of thinking about a new one seems like a good starting point for Microsoft. The games industry is changing in a lot of ways, and games-as-service, long-term experiences are some of the most popular titles out there right now. This isn't to say that single-player games don't have an important place in the industry, an important place in the Xbox ecosystem, and a bright future in general. That doesn't mean Microsoft should make it a focus of exclusive development.

Thatguy-3103180d ago (Edited 3180d ago )

I have to somewhat agree with the article. By trying to replicate what they can't produce will hurt them more. There's simply no way in hell that MS's first party studios can rival Nintendo's or Sony's when it comes to story driven games. I'm curious to see how e3 turns out for MS. With Scorpio on the horizon all eyes will be on them. They're going to be under a microscope so they can't mess it up.

AspiringProGenji3180d ago

So their studios are incapable of delivering and making something else outside of their comfort zone? How is that any good?

You would think Horizon and Zelda would inspire them to also create an adventure game like those. Nope! Better cancel Scalebound!

ThatGuyDart3180d ago

It all goes back to the common argument of "risk vs reward". Everyone know MS's first party studio stable is no where near the other two, especially when it comes to single player. MS just doesn't take risks, which is quite ironic considering they are the more wealthy of the the console manufactures by light-years. Even Nintendo making a third person shooter like Splatoon was more of a risk that anything from MS's first party. That right there tells you a lot.

Silly Mammo3180d ago

And yet Guerrilla Games went out of their comfort zone of FPSs and created one of the best open-world games of this console gen. So it can be done.

candystop3180d ago

I don't understand why it matters what MS is doing to most of you. Seriously do you guys want MS to bring the games or is this just the one argument to hold onto at the moment? I truly hope they start bringing the games once again but if they do I'M curious if this is what you guys actually wanted?

babadivad3180d ago

@ThatGuyDart

I agree completely. They didn't used to be that way in the past. Their EXTREME risk aversion is killing them. I think it may have something to do with Bill's more risk taking approach to MS[as risk taking a MS can get] and Balmer's more sales oriented[it's his backround] view of the games division. [I know Balmer is gone now] Xbox was Bill's idea and he was ok with the risk of losing money to get a foothold. It was a huge risk for MS getting into the games market at all.

When they were still taking chances, they we making progress. When they started becoming obsessed with the bottom line, they started to falter. It started towards the middle of the X360's life span. And that has continued into the X1's launch.

People forget how great the first 3 years of the Xbox 360's life-span was.

MS needs to let their Games division manage itself without the suits being so heavy handed.

SoldierTypeNtGen3179d ago

I agree with you @AspiringProGenji because thats whats the problem with microsoft today.

UltraNova3179d ago (Edited 3179d ago )

So whats the point of creating and marketing the hell out of the "worlds most powerful" console if you are going to focus on online expandable games and not on graphics intensive story driven games?

I get the notion that they need to try something new, to differentiate...but MS was never the risk taking, innovating Company and they most likely never will. I expect to see more safe, tried and tested moves from MS nothing more nothing less.

Ryuujinjakka3179d ago

For MS shareholders, 2 or 3M copies sold is not enough.

darthv723179d ago

If the context of the article is about single player experiences... then aren't games such as halo, gears, forza, fable considered single player experiences??? Granted they may have a multiplayer aspect as well but I seem to recall being able to play through them as a single player.

MS can expand their library to include more games with single player elements but they can also keep the multiplayer side as well. Hell, even sony has added multiplayer to previously single player centric games. Both can coexist in a game and I'd much prefer it that way than something that is one or the other.

dumahim3179d ago (Edited 3179d ago )

@candystop
"I don't understand why it matters what MS is doing to most of you. Seriously do you guys want MS to bring the games or is this just the one argument to hold onto at the moment?"

Yes, I want them to bring the games so I actually have a reason to buy games for the damn thing instead of sitting and collecting dust.

@darthv72
"If the context of the article is about single player experiences... then aren't games such as halo, gears, forza, fable considered single player experiences???"

Halo, Gears, and Forza do have a single player aspect to them, but they seem to take a back seat to the multiplayer part. I enjoyed the early Halo and Gears games, but quit because I just wasn't getting my money's worth out of them without getting in to multiplayer.

I'm a huge racing game fan and have all the Forza games, but Motorsports single player campaign has been getting worse with each game for like the last 3 or so. Horizon has been pretty solid though.

Why even mention Fable? There hasn't been one this generation and as far as we know there isn't one being developed either.

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freshslicepizza3180d ago

They need more than just Scorpio and its power, they need to prove they are indeed making investments into their gaming division. Phil talks a lot about what they are doing but delivering is a different story. All eyes will be on them at E3 and not just on what Scorpio will be priced at but what they have coming for games. They have the systems and services in place, now they need the games to back it up. Sea of Thieves is a great start but they need a lot more than that and Crackdown 3 plus State of Decay 2. More new IP's, bring back some of their old catalogue like MechAssault as well. Microsoft owes everyone proof they are still in this for a reason.

yeahokwhatever3180d ago

i bet their major bombshell announcement will be a financing option for the scorpio like we have with phones. just tack on a 19.99$ a month fee on top of your Live subscription and get a scorpio.

babadivad3180d ago

@yeahokwhatever

They've hinted at this in the past. I think it would be popular. Not something I would go for though. Console prices would SKY-Rocket guaranteed if that model became the norm.

Kingthrash3603179d ago

Moldy???
Wow....1st agree I've ever givin you bro. Well said.

MoonConquistador3179d ago

Yeah, I thought someone had hacked his account. Can't argue with what he's said though.

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IGiveHugs2NakedWomen3180d ago (Edited 3180d ago )

Ummmm... When has Microsoft ever attempted to make games of the same caliber as Horizon Zero Dawn, Uncharted 4, or The Legend of Zelda BOTW?

That's right, NEVER.

Stop posting gaming stories Forbes. You're really bad at it.

MasterCornholio3180d ago

Well in the case of Uncharted they did want a game like that exclusive to Xbox. So they made a deal with Square to make Tomb Raider exclusive to Xbox for a year.

Honestly if Microsoft wanted games like that they should try making them. It would be good for their brands image.

BLKxSEPTEMBER3180d ago

You sound ridiculous. The OG xbox had TONS of creative games and original IP. Just stop your trolling. And Horizon while being an excellent game is not very unique. It borrows heavily from far cry and assassins creed.

dohji3180d ago

Lmao Bruh I thought the same thing. When I read the title I was like when the hell did they start?

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen3180d ago

Well Mr. September, I was referring to this generation and my comment was directed at Forbes not Xbox fans. If you think I'm wrong why don't you name some of these high caliber games that Microsoft was trying to make this gen instead of accusing me of trolling?

XanderZane3180d ago

Hhhmm.. Kameo, Fable, Jade Empire, Crimson Skies, Lost Odyssey, SW: Knights of the Old Republic, Halo, MechAssault, Perfect Dark etc...

frostypants3179d ago

Forbes didn't post it. Some scrub on their blog network did.

Angel9113179d ago

Og Xbox had more unique and creative games than ps2 but very few people know about it coz ps2 was more popular..

AW on 360 was quite good story driven game. Halo story is good for those who are invested in the lore..Haters will not like it...Story in Zelda games is shit..People like it for gameplay only. I have played em all and story is shit in Zelda including BotW

This gen unfortunately all SP Xbox games like Ryse, Sunset, Quantum break and Recore failed. So, it must be really tough for Spencer to convince top management to fund more AAA SP games..

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boomtube19873180d ago

As an Xboner myself. I have zero interest in Zelda or 95% PS exclusive. Xboners only play Shooters, sports and racers. This is true since original Xbox. You want variety especially those ugly typical Japanese gamee...get PS4

Sunny_D3180d ago

@boomtube

You're kind of insulting yourself and the entire Xbox fan base by describing them as one dimensional...

MasterCornholio3180d ago (Edited 3180d ago )

Honestly I don't believe Xbox gamers wouldn't mind playing games like Nier Automata and Persona 5 on their Xboxs.

Many Japanese developers do make good games. They are not the type of developers that you want to keep off your platform.

dilbig53179d ago

So you're a casual gamer?

boomtube19873179d ago

@Sunny_D look at sales...shooters & sports games dominare yearly sales every year. Your right i am a casual and not a nerd. I dont $$$ om video games every week or month. I play games like GTA, Gears, CoD and Fifa. Im the huge representatives if what a console gamer is.

Xbone doesnt need Japanese, RPG non AAA indie type games. They never sell on xbone. As long as there is shooters. Im fine. Shooters is what is keeping console business alive. Look at the sales. 90% or more dominant selling games are shooters.

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ShadowKnight3180d ago

All eyes is on Microsoft this E3

freshslicepizza3180d ago

Your eyes have never been anywhere else it seems.

ShadowKnight3180d ago

@Moldybread
Salty I know how you feel

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ShadowKnight3180d ago (Edited 3180d ago )

@Garfield

I could care less but his reputation and history speaks for itself on here. To a lot of people I know on here he's just another Rookie_Monster. But anyway I hope you enjoy Microsoft Press conference.

freshslicepizza3180d ago

@ShadowKnight
"I could care less but his reputation and history speaks for itself on here"

I think that kettle is beyond black by now.

AmUnRa3179d ago

Not mine, i dont care for Microsoft, No intrest in the Scorpio. The Scorpio will not be the saviour for Xbox. I care for games, and that is why i am intrested in the PlayStation conference. Not in the Xbox conference.

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DivoJones3180d ago

Well I generally disagree.. the problem is they don't have first party studios making games to the caliber that Naughty Dog and now Guerrilla Games are with their studios. So if the argument is that they shouldn't focus on story-driven single-player games, I disagree. They shouldn't try to copy those games (example: Dante's Inferno<->God of War), but they should take some risks by either building or acquiring studios that keep talent and work on multiple projects. Naughty Dog has Uncharted and Last of Us.. they don't just hire a bunch of staff, make a product, and fire them.

rainslacker3179d ago

Even if they don't do it in house, they should at least finance games which can serve that purpose. I know people harp on whether it's 1st party or not, but realistically, if they bring the games by green lighting projects which they feel are good for it's consumer base, then it has the same end result. Maybe not internally since it won't build up their own studios, but overall, their portfolio would become much more interesting. I mean, even some of Sony's really good games this gen haven't come from 1st party, but they did finance the projects.

yay1113180d ago

Does anyone remember Sunset Overdrive...

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen3179d ago

Sunset Overdrive was a third party exclusive and the IP is owned by Insomniac Games. Microsoft needs more of Sunset Overdrive's creativity and originality when it comes to ideas for games that they fund. Guns and Cars will only take you so far.

InTheLab3180d ago

Hold on..... Gorilla could have shipped another Killzone but they tried something new and ended up beating their main franchise.

How about allow 343 to expand beyond Halo and perhaps they will great a new hit. Why can't they focus on characters and a story driven narrative.

I personally think they SHOULD copy Sony. Sony's strategy has only caused them to sell more console than nearly all other companies combined with their worst performing console being 86 million sold.

The golden era of the Xbox was when the has a diverse lineup of games with Halo (story and mp), Gears (coop), Fable (single player and open gameplay), and Forza. Well rounded just like Sony.

Copy the f*** out of Sony. I see no downside.

_-EDMIX-_3180d ago

Except who is asking them to "replicate" anything?

What they should be doing is actually making new games in the first place...

LAWSON723180d ago (Edited 3180d ago )

Nintendo story driven games? Lol Nintendo is on the same level as MS when it comes to story. I cannot even think of any some what recent Nintendo game with a good story. As far as recent gens go MS probably beats out Nintendo because Nintendo does not even try to make compelling stories.

indysurfn3179d ago

You just said you havent played a single Nintendo game. With different words. Trust me.

InTheLab3179d ago

@Indysurfn

Of their core franchises, please tell me what story driven games nintendo has?

Nintendo almost always takes the minimalists approach to everything from voice acting, to story. Take Breath of the Wild, for example. I have seen exactly no one raving over the story. Even if they bothered to change it, it's still Zelda, Ganon, and Link the hero who has to save one and defeat the other. Mario? No. DK? nope. Zenoblade....sure but that's 1 of how many Nintendo games?

Nintendo focuses on Gameplay and generally receive a pass on literally everything else....and that's fine because the gameplay comes first. But lets not pretend Nintendo is the master of all aspects of game making....

Imalwaysright3180d ago

Nintendo rarely makes story driven games. They make gameplay driven games.

QUIMICOMORTAL3180d ago

Yeah, but MS has never even tried to do them! So how exactly would they stop?

InTheLab3179d ago

Fable? Halo? Actually the lore of Halo is far better than people are willing to give credit for and the way Bungie delivered it should be applauded. There biggest franchise was at one point one of the best examples of storytelling in FPS. Obviously not Bioshock level but damn good.

RosweeSon3180d ago

As Mammo mentioned below guerilla games can go from FPS to epic open world and smash it first time. Sure Microsoft can't expect to reach Nintendo levels of top notch timeless classic games but they still need to try and make decent games, whats the alternative yearly churns and sequels galore? And just mediocrity for eternity? Look at the companies who do well normally it's because they invest the time and effort and make sure things are working before releasing them. Not only that but they are not afraid to try something different.

babadivad3180d ago

Just do like they used to in the OG Xbox[Kotor and to a lesser extent, Jade Empire] and Xbox 360 days. Hire a 3rd party to do an epic game and publish it. Worked pretty well last Gen, it can work this Gen as well. They just made the horrible mistake of letting EA snipe Bioware from under their nose and let [arguably] the best story driven SP game of last gen [Mass Effect] go multi-platform.

That game was EPIC and has an immense lore around it. People loved the original like it was the new Star Wars or Star Treck. The Quality of the last two games arguably dipped but that was an awesome series that MS let slip between their fingers.

They just need the patients to let the devs complete their vision like they used to and great things can happen again. MS used to be great at this, they just need to take lessons from the past.

They've shown they can do it in the past, they can do it again.

Godmars2903180d ago

Thing is we're not talking about a single game studio, the Xbox brand is suppose to house dozens. By all rights they should be exploring multi game types, yet over the years they've really only ever done shooters.

DarXyde3179d ago

I have to take a slightly different attitude here. The article mentions that Microsoft should not chase the same types of games that Sony and Nintendo prioritize, but I don't believe they do nor have they really ever. Yes, Xbox does feature single player narrative experiences occasionally, but their biggest titles prioritize online multiplayer/ co-op. Their most important games are Halo, Gears of War, and Forza; even Scalebound was multiplayer.
Microsoft has been, in my opinion, pretty consistent in their focus on these types of games that move away from Nintendo's familiarity and Sony's narrative/ single player prioritization.

I would know. I mostly play on PS4 because I vastly prefer single player narrative experiences which are not nearly as common on Xbox, hence, I play Xbox significantly less.

MorpheusX3179d ago (Edited 3179d ago )

smh.

This is Propaganda 101.

"The games industry is changing in a lot of ways, and games-as-service, long-term experiences are some of the most popular titles out there right now "

The [reason] the game Industry is changing as you say is because the Industry Overlords[The Interactive Entertainment Industry] are changing it. Microsoft is 1 of those Overlords if you will.

All games are essentially copies and variations of games former, the fact Microsoft has less 1st Party Studios, less exclusives in general and in quality compare to say Sony, is again A CHOICE Microsoft MADE, and in my mind because I know[ledge] how business works in REALITY [not the fantasy land/propaganda the Media creates for the average consumer], ....................

I believe this further illustrates how THE INDUSTRY can go about "creating conditions", self inflicted mind you, to justify so called CHANGE FOR THE BETTER like "games-as-service" which just another way of saying "ALWAYS ONLINE/ Digital Games/No Physical Disc".

Hmm, that sounds very familiar, .....That was the "Original Goal " from the beginning, and articles like this are just propaganda, excuses, to help massage the minds of consumers, to paint the narrative The Interactive Entertainment Industries intentions aren't anti-consumer, diabolical or greed centered.....nope its never the obvious[sarcasm]

Its all about the $$$. [no sarcasm]

rainslacker3179d ago (Edited 3179d ago )

Do they need to suggest MS should stop making those kinds of games when MS, for all intents and purposes, has already seemed to have gone down the route of not making those kinds of games?

It's not like they have anything announced which falls into the big epic SP category. An expected Forza is about the only thing which would fall into the mold here. They've put all their other future expectations on 2 games which are most definately meant to be games that fit into the service mold. Any SP stuff they have is so trivial that it doesn't even make it into the mid-tier level of gaming.

I don't believe that it's a matter that their 1st party studios can't match the competition, or other 3rd party publishers, it's that MS isn't requiring them to, or giving them the oppurtunity, or the support to really push the boundaries in those kinds of games. For any criticism I may give MS, I do believe what few high profile 1st party studios they do have, actually are talented developers.

Unless MS has some of these kinds of games waiting for announcement, I think it's safe to assume that they have had a huge shift in focus in recent years. It was only a couple years ago where Spencer seemed like he wanted to actually have good competiting products. He made a point to say he wanted to build MS portfolio when he was talking about having something to go up against UC4, and to explain why they got ROTTR timed exclusive. Now it seems they don't feel that way anymore.

Godmars2903179d ago

How does buying TR, for a limited time, count as a full move to counter/match UC4? Out of Naughty Dog Sony also got LOU and UC continuations, whereas MS, unless they go to even more outstanding methods, technically has nothing. The same level of access Sony has to Square, which post 360-era isn't exactly level.

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Nyxus3180d ago

They can't just focus on one type of game. You need a diverse line-up that appeals to a diverse audience to compete.

Deep-throat3180d ago

They never focused on one type of game. Never happened.

Nyxus3180d ago

I was responding to the article, which says they should focus on 'games as a service' instead of single player games. I disagree. I think they need both.

UCForce3179d ago

MS need both. Not just one.

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LordJamar3180d ago

there not focusing on one type of game but single player story games are not there strong suit they cant compete with sony and nintendo on that

MasterCornholio3179d ago (Edited 3179d ago )

All Microsoft has to do is make a studio good at making SP games. The first step to achieving that is to allow a studio to try and make a great SP experience. Uncharted didn't become an incredible SP franchise until the second one.

It's Microsoft's choice whether or not they are capable of producing high quality single player experiences. And with the amount of money that they have they can definitely achieve that quite easily.

rainslacker3179d ago

Kind of depends on what they want to achieve with the console, and which market they want to pursue. If they have no interest in what we generally refer to as the core gamer market, then there is no reason for them to make games in for that market. Or, they can do what they do now, and rely on 3rd party to supply those games to suppliment their own offerings, while they keep pushing towards what it is they want to achieve.

Games as a service as a main focus, and if it becomes successful, basically allows MS to have their original vision for the X1, which is a DRM restrictive, always online console which is capable of knowing everything you do.

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corroios3180d ago

But, for me, a nextflix gaming service isnt the answer. Sorry, but i wont to keep my games.

Of course Microsoft CAN have good SP games and must have. It takes time, but they can have amazing SP games.

The questions is they want???? i dont think so, they force MP games on their studios, they force them going in the path they think is the right one.

I would like to know what Bungie would say about this during their time with Microsoft.

I would also like to know what lionhead and Platinum games think of their relation with Microsoft.

Ristul3179d ago

Yes, after making the first multiplayer Fable game that got canceled, Microsoft closed them down. Why they would ever try to make a single player RPG into an isometric strategy game is beyond me, guess Microsoft wanted it that way.

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Sony Remade Demon’s Souls, So Why Won’t It Touch Bloodborne?

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thorstein12h ago

Demon's Souls was a PS3 game.

Bloodborne is PS4 and can be played on a PS5.

There's no need for a remaster.

Relientk779h ago

I completely agree with you on this. If you want remasters or remakes give us games from the PS1 or PS2 era like Legend of Dragoon.

Eonjay4h ago

I would say thats a personal oponion trying to be passed off as a law. Truth is thre are many people who would love a remaster.upgrade so they can play Bloodborne at 60 FPS. People would literally love that.

shadowhaxor6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

I mentioned that in my article, did you read it? I literally pointed out this is exactly why the game is still doing well, and why Sony has zero reason to remake/remaster it.

And there are plenty of PS4 to PS5 remaster/remakes, to counterpoint that.

Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered
GTA V Expanded & Enhanced
Ghost of Tsushima Director’s Cut
Control: Ultimate Edition
Death Stranding Director’s Cut
Final Fantasy VII Remake Intergrade
Uncharted: Legacy of Thieves Collection
The Last of Us Part II Remastered

Eonjay4h ago

Either because they technically can't because From Soft wont allow them too, or because From Soft is sorking on the sequal, remaster themselves. Therre is a third option of course and that would be that they are working on it

MinnesotaFatts1h ago

Some part of me wonders if there's some sort of corporate war going on at Sony.

Daver4h ago

I want a new one not a remaster

victorMaje3h ago

TLoU got the remaster & then the remake treatment.
Where is the next bloodborne, or remaster, or remake?

Goodguy012h ago

What it needs is a ps5+pc release. The game absolutely needs a 4k60 update. Lots of money sony is sleeping on while the souls genre is still hot.

MinnesotaFatts1h ago

Tell me you don't know what a remaster is without telling me.

Bloodborne is infamously capped at 30fps on either system--a bizarre design choice given that speed and reaction time is central to the gameplay systems. This capped performance was never patched out officially, unless you jailbreak and mod your console. A remaster for modern hardware, not the infamously finicky PS4 devkits, would be a great way to both hyper-optimize the game *and* drive sales for the PS5, which still doesn't have a system seller title.

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RaiderNation6h ago

There might be some licensing red tape they cant get around?

shadowhaxor6h ago

That'd be interesting, but Sony owns the IP 100%. So, I can't see how that is part of the issue, if there is even one.

RaiderNation2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

Maybe Sony isnt interested in doing it without the assistance of Miyazaki and he's not interested? (Just spit-balling).

MinnesotaFatts1h ago

That's the issue according to FROMSOFT. They'd *love* to do a remaster, but Sony won't even return their calls.

Inverno6h ago

Because they're saving that for the PS6 to lure in all the suckers that will think they're making a sequel, but the whole gen will pass by and From won't ever touch it because Song doesn't care for either Demon or Blood outside of remakes.

Furesis3h ago

Because they made them do something else, then they canceled it and who knows what they are doing these days. They dont understand what they have and honestly i dont think they know what they are doing either.

blacktiger3h ago

How bout forget remade and start making new game pls?

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