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Microsoft should Copy Nintendo and Make an Xbox Switch

Forbes - Alas, without more great exclusive content Microsoft will likely not be able to close the gap between the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 any time soon, even with Scorpio. They even admit as much. With few major Xbox One exclusives in the pipeline, the likelihood of a killer app saving the day is also slim. So what should Microsoft do?

They should rip off Nintendo, that's what.

XiNatsuDragnel3344d ago

If they want to be popular in Japan yes they should.

mcstorm3344d ago

Yeah this is very true. In away Microsoft could do a portable Xbox one and also carry the same limits as they are doing with the Scorpio and Xbox one where all games have to come to it. I can't see it happening though as I think it will cost to much for Microsoft to do and then try and take on the switch in Japan. They don't have the big ips like Nintendo dose and also Japan dose not seem to like Microsoft products to. They would have to team up with some big 3rd party's and I think sega would have to be the biggest but I also can't see that happening to.

MVGeneral3344d ago (Edited 3344d ago )

Why would they want to downgrade to the switches level? They should try to upgrade and become better like the ps4.

This ain't a backwards kind of world, you silly Nintendo fans.

mcstorm3344d ago

@mvgeneral wtf silly Nintendo fan? How did you get that from my comment? Also do you know how much a portable games consoles with the same power as the Xbox one would be? Also the battery life would suck to.

I am also one of Microsofts biggest fans but what I said was right. Microsoft don't have any killer ips to take on Japan. They don't want halo forza fable gears ect. That's who I said they would need to team up with 3rd party's.

Get of your high horse and think about what people put not what you think they put.

zeal0us3343d ago

It won't help if MS can't supply games. Nintendo first party line-up is more impressive than Halo, Crackdown, Forza and Gears.

4Sh0w3343d ago (Edited 3343d ago )

No, first it's too early to tell how well the Switch will do outside of Japan over the next year. 2nd I don't think there's a huge market for portables or a similar hybrid, especially among Xbox fans, I mean out of all my friends I don't know a single Xbox fan hoping that Microsoft makes a portable , never really seen much noise about it online either, for whatever that's worth, I just think it's
NOT something wanted by the fans.

-And a Xbox portable in Japan, pffft, [in my best Joe Pesci voice] forget 'tabout it!

JackBNimble3343d ago

MS doesn't need to take any pointers from Nintendo

Scatpants3343d ago

What I would like is an elite portable made of aluminum with leather hand grips and their vibrating triggers and tons of power. I know it would never happen but it would be awesome and I'd pay up to $600 for it.

_-EDMIX-_3343d ago

@jack-absolutely agreed

I don't really see why Microsoft would be taking pointers from Nintendo when they just cater to completely different markets.

Omnislashver363342d ago (Edited 3342d ago )

Why would MS need to copy a gimmick machine? If anything they should learn from failures like Kinect and Switch and NOT incorporate gimmicks. MS's best strategy is to move forward with Scorpio and create more 1st party and 2nd party games... Basically the PS strategy.

Nobody buys Nintendo for their gimmicks, they buy them because they're Nintendo. Incorporating Ninty's failures would only bastardize MS.

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UltraNova3344d ago (Edited 3344d ago )

What? And back it up with what games exactly? Gears, Halo and Forza GO editions?

Lets be serious here - this is a stupid idea presented by a stupid website, common people...

Liqu1d3344d ago

It would still be an Xbox. Japan doesn't care about Xbox, it has no software that appeals to them.

Bigpappy3343d ago

How would you get the worlds most powerful console in a handheld? that is my first question.

mcstorm3343d ago

By costing a lot of cash. Microsoft managed it with the surfacebook but that is a pc and to big for portable gaming like the switch.

Don't get me wrong ide love both Microsoft and Sony to do what Nintendo have done as having one console is great for home and on the move but that said both of them would have to drop the power like Nintendo did with the switch. For me I'm happy for ms and Sony to carry on making home consoles and let Nintendo make a duel console as for me this works best for all 3. Nintendo need to be different form the other 2 as I don't think pure power would do it and home gamers will tend to pick ms or Sony's consoles for games like cod, bf, FIFA ect where gamers for Nintendo will pickup games like Mario kart, Mario, Pokémon ect.

_-EDMIX-_3343d ago

Well it's not impossible it would clearly cost a crapload of money but it is not impossible.

XanderZane3343d ago (Edited 3343d ago )

They still wouldn't be popular in Japan. Sony already tried it with the PSVita and Sony ISactually popular in Japan and it barely put a dent into Nintendo handheld market. You really think Microsoft's handheld would stand a chance? Get real. Microsoft has already said numerous times that they would not be making any handheld systems.

They need to just concentrate more on quality games for the XB1S and Scorpio at this point. So some VR games that are in the works.

I just realized that this is a Forbes article. Bunch of morons.
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IamTylerDurden13343d ago (Edited 3343d ago )

No, bad idea. Microsoft is not traditionally a great hardware manufacturer and they have no history in handhelds. The Zune was a venture outside their comfort zone and it failed, i don't think they should try to copy Nintendo. Focus on your consoles and your services and use that energy to create more first party studios/new IP.

Uken123343d ago

They would be better off striking a deal with Nintendo to where they put software on the Switch and Nintendo can design software for the Scorpio.

That being said, Nintendo does not need Microsoft at all. Sadly MS has delivered nothing this gen. The exclusives aren't good and basically don't exist. Sony is beating them in buy exclusive rights to games and timed releases. (Something of which Sony fanboys cry about when the situation is reversed) And they shot themselves in the foot with Kinect and the Big Brother idea.

MS is lost this gen, sadly. Halo has become absolute crap. For some reason 343 thinks gamers prefer the "Football Under Armor" look over the "Anime/Western art fusion with Military inspiration" look.
And the gameplay is nothing what Halo used to be.
Forza isn't a system seller.

Personally I enjoy MS online much more than the others. The community is more friendly. PS always has more hackers online and it only runs ok. Constantly getting updates and dropping connection for hours.

_-EDMIX-_3343d ago

No.

How well did that work out for the PlayStation Vita?.

What works well for Nintendo is not going to work well for Sony and Microsoft and vice versa they just cater to completely different markets.

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The 10th Rider3343d ago

I don't think they even could.

Both PS4 and Xbox One games must be installed in order to run, but they're often 50gb or so. Trying to put a hard drive (as opposed to solid state storage) in a portable gaming device would be problematic. 500gb of solid state storage would add like $150 to the cost. Considering a regular Xbox/PS4 is about $250 and shrinking that would add to the cost, you'd easily be looking at a $600 device. On top of that it wouldn't be able to have a disk drive to install games from a disk.

_-EDMIX-_3343d ago

That's because you're actually trying to apply exactly what PlayStation 4 and Xbox One are right now to a portable concept which is actually pretty stupid when you think about it

why would you take what they're talking about absolutely literally?

Portable simply within the limitations of what they actually could do which would mean that you wouldn't really have those specific installs simply because they would probably go off of a portable cartridge based concept because it is portable.

It would clearly have to have a games being drastically downgraded in order to have them fit on the system to play games.

I mean have you not use your own logic that the switch is a portable that is playing Wii U games without a disk? Are you saying that it's impossible for Nintendo to make a Wii U portable because the switch doesn't have a disc drive? I mean using that same logic shouldn't you even be questioning the existence of Zelda breath of the wild? So why on Earth did you apply something so unrealistic to Microsoft that you haven't applied to Nintendo?

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So I mean yes of course it would not have a disk drive to install games from the disc no different than the switch doesn't have that yet it has Wii U games....

Sooooo please apply that logic to this as opposed to saying it cannot happen yet ignoring that it's sort of happening right now with the switch.

So yes it wouldn't be able to have a disk drive but that's sort of moot, that's kind of common sense right now.

That's not really saying it can't happen simply saying that it would be more expensive.

The 10th Rider3343d ago (Edited 3343d ago )

@_-EDMIX-_,

I suppose you didn't bother to read the article?

They're advocating a "Microsoft Switch" that plays all the same Xbox One games. It'd be like a Switch but with all the major third party support. The lack of a disk drive would be a MAJOR issue because you wouldn't be able to pop in a regular Xbox One game and use it, the portable games would have to be packaged and produced separately using cartridges and they would not be compatible with the regular Xbox One. The only solution to that would be to make it all digital, but storage would be far too expensive. As I said the device would easily be $600, likely more. Producing a successful portable version of the PS4 or Xbox One that plays the exact same games is impossible, there's no practical way to make it so that if you own the game already on disk, you can play it on the go.

The Switch replaced the Wii U, so Nintendo doesn't have to make sure the Switch plays all Wii U games and the Wii U plays all Switch games. Because of that Nintendo was able to switch to a cartridge based format. If Microsoft wanted to make a portable console to replace the Xbox they could do that, but releasing two different 'Xbox' forms of the same games, with neither one being compatible with the other system, would be suicide.

_-EDMIX-_3342d ago (Edited 3342d ago )

"Producing a successful portable version of the PS4 or Xbox One that plays the exact same games is impossible, there's no practical way to make it so that if you own the game already on disk, you can play it on the go"

Yet Switch can play Wii U games ie Zelda and Mario Kart 8....

" but releasing two different 'Xbox' forms of the same games, with neither one being compatible with the other system, would be suicide."

Not really.

PSN, you can buy a PS1 game, that plays on PSP, PSVita and PS3......

Did you not know this?

If its a digital game, it will simply be the version that is made for XB Portable, or XONE etc just like how the PS1 and PSN games worked for PSP, PSVita and PS3 etc.

I mean...you are complicating a situation that you understand for Switch and Wii U, yet you strangely can't get for XONE lol

Look at it like XONE Switch...

Even if it was just playing all XONE games, play them digitally and they would be altered to be smaller files, lower resolution etc like how you see the exact opposite with Scorpio and Pro.

Yes it would cost a lot, moot.

The issue is simply that its not impossible if you understand Switch.

I mean, that would be as dumb as saying "Wii U games need the game pad, in order to run, in a portable gaming device would be problematic"

etc.

Please...stop adding LITERAL concepts to something that is simply a suggestion and hypothetical. they are not saying XONE LITERALLY NOTHING UNCHANGED as a portable.

THAT ISN'T what the Switch is in terms of Wii U, it is NOT literally Wii U, game pad and all, disk and all etc

We mean portable in regards to what they can alter to make it work.

10th...I'm pretty damn sure you understand that much. Logically speaking, it would be like asking how Zelda exist on Switch, but doesn't have a game pad, disk etc. You know how that works, thus you should also know how a XONE portable theoretically could work. It isn't rocketscience. Apply what you see with Switch with XONE...thats it.

" Producing a successful portable version of the PS4 or Xbox One that plays the exact same games is impossible, there's no practical way to make it so that if you own the game already on disk, you can play it on the go"

LMFAO! No...no it isn't.

It would simply play those game digitally. ala PSP Go. It would have to be altered yet, but not "impossible".

I'm not sure why anyone would use that word on something that clearly is feasible, although costly. I mean, you are making a narrative out to be in a literal sense to win a strange argument lol

Those games don't need to be 50GB, they can simply have versions that are lower in space.

They don't need to have a disk drive to have PS4 or XONE games either....digital.

I mean...you are saying they can't do something that Switch is doing right now....sorry but it makes no sense. You are saying this based on a LITERAL understanding of it, yet that isn't how Switch works ala Wii U.

You didn't apply that concept to the Switch, yet you did for XONE Portable? Couldn't I say Switch can't play Wii U games, doesn't have a game pad? Who says it NEEDS a game pad to work in Switch? So who is to say it NEEDS to be 50GB to work on XONE portable or NEEDS a disk drive to work etc?

THIS is what I mean by simply apply what you know Switch to be to XONE.

The 10th Rider3342d ago (Edited 3342d ago )

@_-EDMIX-_,

I don't get what's wrong with you.

I SAID that they could go all digital with it, but then the issue becomes solid state storage space, which is highly expensive. Even if they could get third parties to shave a bit of size off their games, storage would still be an issue. 500gb of SSD or flash storage would increase the cost of the console by around $200, which is nearly the cost of a regular PS4 or Xbox One.

The Switch works because they went to cartridges, which can hold games in a portable format and do not require installation. While it's similar in power to the Wii U and it has gotten some of the same games, it doesn't literally have to use Wii U disks or be all digital, like a portable PS4 or Xbox One would have to be.

As I said "Producing a successful portable version of the PS4 or Xbox One that plays the exact same games is impossible". While a device could be created that played the exact same games would be possible, the key word I used was "successful". If the cost of solid state storage drops drastically or Microsoft goes for cartridges for their next console, then it may be a possibility.

Now stop arguing yourself in circles and bringing up points I already addressed. Do you need a flow chart or something? Because you're clearing struggling to grasp this.

nitus103342d ago (Edited 3342d ago )

You are quite right in saying "Both PS4 and Xbox One games must be installed in order to run" but you are totally wrong in stating that they are often 50GB or so. I have over 40 Full sized games and they add up to less than 460GB.

Yes, you can get AAA games at anything from 30GB to 70GB (The Witcher 3 with all DLC) but on average Indies are in the order of a few hundred megabytes to about 10GB. The A and AA games can vary between 3GB to over 20GB. If you only buy huge sized AAA games then you will run out of room on your drive very quickly.

There is no denying that solid state storage is the way to go for a portable device but once you start to get large sized games the cost of the cartridge becomes significant compared to an equivalently sized Bluray disk which costs significantly less than a dollar (Look this up if you don't believe me).

It is unfortunate that SSD's are still significantly more expensive than a hard disk drive but SSD's are much cheaper than cartridges and have a much better performance overall. Still, SSD's are dropping in price and if you are building a desktop you would be foolish not to put in a 60GB/120GB SSD for your boot disk.

@_-EDMIX-_

I do agree with what you say but this is not a technical site.

The 10th Rider3342d ago

@nitus10,

Yes indies are typically much much smaller. However the article is advocated a device that plays the full-sized, AAA games that are available on the current Xbox One. You can already play plenty of indies on Switch, or even Vita for that matter. The vast majority of people would not buy a $600+ portable Xbox One so that they can play indie games on it.

Let me break this down for you guys: There's really only 3 ways to go about a portable Xbox One or PS4.

The first way would to include a disk drive. This wouldn't work at all because of the size of the disk drive and because games still have to be installed.

The second way would be to put the games on cartridges. This wouldn't work because of two things: As you said, cartridges are more expensive. And secondly then games would have to get released physically as "Xbox One" games for $60 and "Xbox One Portable" games for $70. I highly doubt third parties would be on board for that. Technically it's possible, logistically it makes no sense.

The last possibility is a to make it digital only. A harddrive wouldn't really work in a handheld console, so storage would have to be solid state. This is certainly possible, just impractical. I've probably got 80 games on PC that would add up to less than a thousand gb, but in terms of large AAA games, the Witcher 3, Battlefield One and Total Warhammer alone all add up to close to 200gb with the DLC. As I said, for JUST 500gb of storage it would up the cost of the console by $200. And keep in mind that system files would run close to 100gb, as the regular Xbox One already uses 138gb. Why would someone pay over $600 for a device to play full sized console games on the go when it can only hold 6 or 7 full sized console games before you have to delete one and spend hours downloading another?

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Maybay3344d ago

Everyone always copies Nintendo...(not to say Nintendo doesn't, they just do it the least and try to innovate, not imitate the majority of the time).

DaDrunkenJester3343d ago

You know what Nintendo needs to completely rip off? A decent online model.

Somethings are so good that you have to copy, but Nintendo is really stubborn it seems.

Pricey3343d ago

I wish Nintendo would copy a decent online service...

Oh sorry ignore me, I didn't realise we were blowing smoke up Nintendos ass again

Shadyceaser3343d ago (Edited 3343d ago )

Call the fire brigade😀

Benjaminkno3342d ago

I'm a Nintendo fan and I must concur with your assessment that their online service is less than adequate.

Anally inserted smoke deserved.

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admiralvic3343d ago

It's all perspective. Outside of modernizing the idea, what exactly is different about the Nintendo Switch and the Sega Nomad? So many people seem to believe Nintendo was the first to come up with this idea and were the first to do this and that, but a lot of developers did these things in the past. Heck, the Sega Nomad was playing Genesis games on the go on a full color screen before Nintendo even released the GameBoy Color.

Furthermore, part of Nintendo problem is that they're trying to do their own thing. There is no reason why the Switch shouldn't have features that were standard on the Vita, we still don't know how Virtual Console titles will be handled and so forth.

its_JEFF3343d ago

I ask this very same thing when there's comments like "Nintendo innovates and the others don't" I don't know if it's because it's just Nintendo, but they get credit for everything. Some of it is due, trust me I know this, but in terms of the Switch what exactly makes it so different from the past handhelds: Is it the ability to play it on your TV? the iPhone/Android have been doing this, also the Nvidia shield. Among the big 3, Nintendo/MS/Sony, they are the first to do this. Is it the removable controllers that can be used separate controllers? I'll give them that, most controllers on handhelds have been fixed. But at the same time, if a feature is not comfortable or under utilized it minimizes it's impact, I think. Look at the WiiU Tablet, could have been used in so many ways... but it didn't, so just a gimmick. PS Vita RemotePlay, too complicated to use and not a feature they even talked about much, so under utilized and now it's a gimmick.

I'm just asking. I think it's a great idea, but not for the reasons that people seem to think so. I think it's a great idea because finally Nintendo gets to concentrate all their efforts on to one console. No longer will titles have to be split between 3DS & Home Console. I think it's a great idea cause their HC games get to go with you when you're not home. If you think about it, really think about it, this was the most LOGICAL move for Nintendo. Their handheld business has been the most consistent part of their portfolio. Their home consoles have been on a downward slope, besides the Wii, or years and years now. They did the most logical thing they could: made their handheld their main console. They took an Nvidia Shield and put a Nintendo twist on it, viola. Everything is a derivative, if you can make something better... why not, would I consider that copying, nah no way.

_-EDMIX-_3343d ago

So what you're telling me is you haven't heard of the PSP cradle? Sony had PSPs that could run off the TV in 2009 , this concept is not even brand-new even slightly.

The 10th Rider3342d ago

Still trying to bring up failed Sony concepts to discredit the Switch? In that case I suppose you'd say that PSVR is nothing new and give credit to Nintendo for trying it earlier with the Virtual Boy? Oh, that's right, you wouldn't because that's positive towards Nintendo. The Switch is a success regardless of if the concept has been done in the past. Get over it.

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SegaGamer3344d ago

How would they be able to do that without making the home console under powered though ? There is no way you are going to see Scorpio specs in a handheld anytime soon that's for sure.

DEEBO3344d ago

Dock station can have the Scorpio specs.

godashram3343d ago

So give the unit 2 discreet GPUs? You'd be looking at a REALLY expensive system then....

_-EDMIX-_3343d ago

The dock does not give power to the actual system , the dock simply allows the system to run at Max settings it is not giving the system anything.

CrimsonPheonix3343d ago

If they used a processor based on the new 16nm process it's very possible to create a handheld with equal to and xbox one or PS4 today and with reasonable battery life. It may be around $4-500 dollars and run at 720P.

jonivtec3342d ago

Nintendo should have wait for the tegra x2...and it would have be a totaly different story.Instead they rush it out with the tech available but hey....i own a switch and zelda let alone mario kart 8 look and play beautifuly on the go or docked.So everything is still possible...just let the install base grow and probably we will start to see aaa title on the Switch.Power is one thing...but for dev money is a lot more important trust me on this one if you understand what i mean.

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