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Persona 5 deserved better: a translator's take on a subpar script

Atlus may have chosen speed over quality.

Prince_TFK3334d ago

I find nothing wrong about the translation though. Things flows so smoothly that sometimes i thought this was orignally an English language game.

shmowboyfebop3334d ago

Some of it is a little goofy, but that seems to happen to most jrpgs. To me it just adds to their charm. And I can only imagine how much those guys had to translate, it's such a long game.

LAWSON723334d ago (Edited 3334d ago )

If you ignore that they often bring up how they are speaking japanese and how some of them are not good at english.

Those parts were a little odd but easy to overlook for obvious reasons.

Tross3334d ago

Well, compared to the English dub of Cardcaptor Sakura's "who speaks Japanese", I'll take references to characters speaking Japanese even when they're clearly speaking English. It is a little odd, but can be swept under the rug. There are pros and cons to changing the script for a stylistic translation, but I support keeping it intact as I've seen the alternative. On the other hand, Sakura is kind of right as who really does speak Japanese in an English dub? Unfortunately that infernal dub never did tell us who spoke Japanese so that will remain a dub exclusive mystery.

I guess English classes must really be mandatory in Japan, but there seem to be a lot of jokes about characters sucking at it. Maybe it's because English makes no logical sense when you break it down as most of its rules go out the window when you find an often long list of exceptions. My beef with Japanese is almost exclusively about learning kanji as it's actually an inherently coherent language. I mean, I can read something in Japanese without necessarily understanding it, as long as I have furigana, because there's no debate as to how it's pronounced.

IamTylerDurden13334d ago

It did seem to affect reviews. Persona 5 still got goty level reviews and 10's galore.

plmkoh3334d ago

Currently playing it and I think compared to the Japanese dialogue it is about 85% accurate. Best example is Ann's English script feels more bratty compared to the Japenese she speaks, which should be not be the case because her true personality is more reserved compared to her juxtaposed foreigner image (Japanese perceive blonde hair as rebellious).

Another thing is the quiz questions related to Japanese idioms are completely impossible because you cannot know meanings without the use the Kanji characters.

Tross3334d ago

Seems to me that in the latter case some stylistic translation is necessary. Then again, even common words like "chotto" require stylistic translation, but that also technically means a higher ratio of inaccuracy compared to the original Japanese script. I once read in some manga translation notes that "translation is more art than science", and I believe that to be true even in what little I've done in trying to translate manga or videogames for my own purposes.

I never knew that about Ann though. I don't think that will affect my experience even in regards to her character, but it's something I will keep in mind. There certainly are instances where cultural understanding aids in picking up on nuances in any script, including English translations. Even the best of translations can't carry over cultural subtext, and 85% accuracy is what I would expect from an English dubbed videogame anyways, so I'll give Atlus a pass on this one.

Tross3334d ago

I stopped reading when the author said that people never say "it can't be helped". So, I guess every time I've ever said that I wasn't talking like a person? Also, he offered a few alternatives, some of which are semantically equivalent, and are hence splitting hairs.

I do respect this person for what they do though. I've been kind of haphazardly trying to get Japanese down for a while now as it would open up so many doors to me, entertainment wise, some of which I actually already own. Unfortunately that's going to be a process. Anyone who is a native English speaker and has Japanese down has my respect. Thankfully all the manga I brought back from Japan seems to have furigana. Too bad the games don't, but I guess I know what I have to use as training wheels.

Yohshida3334d ago

this games has so many conversations that its really hard to make 100% sense every second. You can't translate things 1:1

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darthv72462d ago

Personally, I'd rank Pacific Rift in my top 10. It's the best of the series.

badz149462d ago

We desperately need Motorstorm back. Evolution is no more though and this makes me sad

Cacabunga462d ago

Sly Thieves in Time
Stay the Party
Portal 2
Dj Hero
Demon’s Souls
God of war Ascension

rudero461d ago

2 of those games got railed through the “gaming media” during release.
Sly and god of war.
Both of which were fantastic games.

Cacabunga461d ago

Ascension is VERY underrated. Remake please!

Venoxn4g462d ago

Decent list.. I would put the Castle Crashers as well..

1Victor462d ago

Yes it’s a decent list of popular games with a heavy hand on FPS and no Warhawk or Starhawk 2 of the best games (not sale wise) on ps3.
I would buy a Starhawk again even if it didn’t have a graphics upgrade hell I would even take a new one with micro transactions 😱🤯

Profchaos462d ago

I've noticed a recent nostalgia for the PS3 and I don't get it for me it's been my least favourite generation to date and I've been gaming since the NES I just feel like the ambition of the developers outweighed the capabilities of the consoles so I remember lots of games running in the lower end of 20fps range and I remember for the first time ever actually disliking the duelshock 3 and it's curved triggers

Sure there were some standouts and great games but that's the only gen I switched entirely to PC gaming

darthv72462d ago

Maybe the recent nostalgia is because pretty much all of its games are trapped on that console. People want to play them on more modern hardware. hell... if XB can do it then so can Sony. there are competent emulators out there that can run on PS4/5 hardware but Sony just wont let them become official... why is that?

If we are talking least favorite generations (personally) then this one is certainly mine. i had more fun playing 8th, 7th and 6th gen stuff than 9th. And it isnt like i dont have access to do so... the heavy hitters just havent shown up anywhere close to those previous gens. The few here and there just doesnt cut it compared to the likes of constant good games that showed up in 6th, 7th and 8th gen. hell.... I'll even throw in 5th gen has been better than this one.

Profchaos462d ago

I tend to agree there's lots of amazing games locked to the PS3 like GTA IV or mgs 4 but then again my issue was never with the content the PS3 had but rather it's performance many other people have said the PS3 felt like it couldn't walk and chew bubblegum at the same time using PSN and downloading a game could take a few minutes to just start a download.

I typically don't worry all that much about performance I've never had a problem with games that run at 30 but games like crysis 2, Skyrim are good examples where the performance was so unstable you would never even touch the top of the frame cap and the hitching was worse than say Goldeneye on the n64

I think emulation is more than possible on the ps5 though it's just that Sony has no incentive to rush it's development it will likely be a ps6 feature if it ever happens at all.

But yeah the 9th gen has been so bad from a content perspective thats a given I see constant articles where people are frequently expressing their disappointment around the industry as a whole right now to much live service competition that sinks longstanding studios and consumes Devs time less ambition and games cost so much to make they have to play it safe.

The 5th gen was easily better than the 9th we had some all time greats crash, Spyro, Tony hawk, mgs, Mario,64, Goldeneye, Mario kart 64 the list goes on. The 5th gave us a new dimension and I remember being blown away by how much more open gaming had become the 4th gen with the mega drive and SNES was great and very easy to still revisit some of the greatest games of all time came out like earthbound, secret of mana, sonic , Mario world etc but saving our games was still not a standard function or a given so gaming was still evolving but it was very impressive to see some of the tricks Devs used like dithering to give us new experiences those earlier gens limitations bred innovation.

Michiel1989461d ago

if XB can do it so can sony? I didn't know xbox had a cell processor in their older consoles, that's the reason why ps3 was so cool, but also the reason why games are hostage there and no, xbox did nothing similar even though their backward compatbility is good, they always had a similar architecture to their consoles.

darthv72461d ago

Sorry Michael... I guess you missed the obvious part where i said there are already emulators out that do this. and that is what XB is doing... emulators for OG and 360 games. Its why the full slate is not BC on XBO/Series.

coolbeans461d ago (Edited 461d ago )

The list is missing Folklore.

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