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Scorpio vs Pro Head To Head Specs Comparison: A Deep Dive Into Why Microsoft’s Offering Is Superior

And how the success of Scorpio will have positive implications for DX12 performance in PC games.

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chrisx3315d ago ShowReplies(8)
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KingKionic 3315d ago (Edited 3315d ago )

Its a 43 percent compute advantage. It does 4K 60 Game DVR. 12 GDDR5 (8 GB just for games) to push 4K Assets.

I think by now people understand the specs advantages but gamingbolt seems to be trying to stretch a article.

But for anyone interested also inside the Ps4 Pro vs Scorpio shows another difference.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media...

Stuff looks high quality in the scorpio in comparison.

cbuc11253315d ago

Only 8GB is available for graphics. The other 4 is for the UI.

KingKionic 3315d ago

Yes thats what i meant ill add that note.

Brave_Losers_Unite3315d ago

I still think 4 gb for UI is way too much. I'd prefer to have 10 GB for games because I care to have games use as much resource as possible

christocolus3315d ago (Edited 3315d ago )

Actually 1GB is for the new UI and the other 3GB is for the OS. And that still leaves 8GB available to games.

Brave_Losers_Unite3315d ago (Edited 3315d ago )

Lmao at the poor disagreers. True gamers want the best for their games, not have resources being used for crap. Do you guys own a Mac to emulate Windows to play games on?

4Sh0w3315d ago (Edited 3315d ago )

Real Simple:

Microsoft waited and released more powerful hardware, while Sony released upgraded but less powerful hardware a year earlier= BOTH made clear tactical decisions that will payoff in different ways.

@chrisx
Yes, Scorpio needs games but nobody in their right mind thinks that Microsoft is going through all this trouble to release"the most powerful console ever" while having no plans to announce new games at E3.

@Death
I completely agree ps4 has some superb 1st party games, but ps fans are wildly exaggerating the overall ps4 lineup compared to X1, both have great games to play and while recently ps4 has done very well in terms of new releases ps4 fans are conveniently ignoring the full catalogue of Xbox games available when talking about games. That said I recognize the fact that Microsoft needs to deliver MORE new AAA IP's and stay focused on that.

FinalFantasyFanatic3315d ago

8GB should be plenty enough for graphics, most modern PCs only ask for 8GBs for "high resolution textures", but still, that seems like a lot of ram to use for a console OS as well. They've got enough ram to burn though considering it's 12GB in total.

@4Sh0w

When you take all the consoles catalogues into account, the PS4 is insane, no exaggeration. They've got a pretty impressive lineup this year, although that was probably more luck that those games finished their development this year than anything else. I guess all the stars aligned or they must have sacrificed a goat or something.

Gaming1013315d ago

Yeah, but you won't notice much difference unless you have a good 4K tv. I'll stick with my PS4 Pro since the 1080p tv has its own benefits of higher FPS and graphics fidelity, I'd wait for a PS5 when 4K TV's come down in price and it makes more sense to move in that direction.

REDGUM3315d ago

8GB leftover for games???
Seems yoo much to me..... MS don't have any games, lol.

lalalala3314d ago

It's going to cost a lot more too, and the specs don't matter if the games aren't there! That's the main thing, forget making a new console, just invest in more unique, high-quality games. We've been let down several times by things like Quantum Break, and Scalebound being cancelled. Just give us a couple of new IPs that are 90+ score games, and that will be enough to turn heads.

itsmebryan3314d ago

Are you saying that is a bad thing?

indyman77773314d ago

For the same reason Sony didnt increase Memory availible to Game ram Microsoft made sure. That reason was they wanted to make sure it was compatible with existing games for the base system. So they both get a pass on that.

darthv723314d ago (Edited 3314d ago )

I hope to invest in a nice 4k tv soon. I want to experience HDR more so than the 4k res itself. Knowing the base PS4 and xb1s support HDR is all the more reason to invest in one now and then use it to the extent on pro and scorpio down the road.

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Christopher3315d ago

It's not a 43 percent compute advantage. Bottlenecks prevent it from being maximized in such a manner. Really wish people would learn how this stuff works.

septemberindecember3315d ago (Edited 3315d ago )

Depends entirely on the type of game. In Forza 6 they were able to get 85% with some hits up to 100% GPU utilization at 4K and ultra settings at a rock solid 60FPS, which means there was absolutely no bottleneck from the CPU.

KingKionic 3315d ago

Ah my dear friend...and authoritarian....

It would seem to be the 43 percent compute is in regards to direct gpu comparisons.

https://vgy.me/mNbXxE.jpg

TankCrossing3315d ago (Edited 3315d ago )

Bottlenecks don't apply to theoretical peak performance numbers. That doesn't really detract much from their significance, though real world performance obviously matters more.

There isn't really cause to doubt the numerical advantage won't apply in the real world when the systems are so similar (unlike for example, comparing teraflops between AMD and NVidia GPUs that don't really play out in gaming).

XanderZane3315d ago

Go back and watch the reveal again and see how things work. Rich L. explains why the likelihood of bottleneck on the Scorpio will be rare. You obviously didn't watch the whole reveal video.

Tko11113315d ago

Great hate I feel in you.

Christopher3315d ago

***It would seem to be the 43 percent compute is in regards to direct gpu comparisons. ***

With the same RAM bottleneck issues we have now...

Tether your expectations. Same shit I told people with the Pro. All this hype is going to lead to disappointments. It's going to outperform the Pro, but not by as much as people are making it out to be. History is repeating itself one year later.

Yetter3315d ago

Watch the DF deep dive again

donthate3315d ago (Edited 3315d ago )

You are right, it's not just 43% compute advantage, it is a lot more. That is why Scorpio can hit 4K/60fps on Ultra and still have headroom. Scorpio is significantly more powerful than PS4 Pro.

The RAM bandwidth is hitting peak performance of ultra high performing GPUs of PCs, so no there is no bottleneck there either. This is why Scorpio will be able to push 4K ready textures, and PS4 Pro can't.

JasonKCK3315d ago

What hype did the Pro have? We all knew the Pro was weaker before it even launched so how can history repeat itself?

freshslicepizza3315d ago

The CPU is certainly not 43 percent but kudos to Microsoft in the way they have engineered this thing. It's also worth noting just how much effort they have put into running existing games that use Scorpios extra power and old generation titles.

I imagine it will look nice too because they took great care into how the S model looked and Scorpio is also going to have its power adapter inside.

Knockknock3315d ago (Edited 3315d ago )

What about the pro and it's massive bottlenecks, wish people would learn how this stuff works.

FinalFantasyFanatic3315d ago

But the higher the resolution, the less CPU matters performance-wise, 4K is pretty damn demanding on the GPU, the CPU doesn't factor in much when it comes to frame rate and graphics.

Ju3315d ago

I think this is the key here: "It's going to outperform the Pro, but not by as much as people are making it out to be. History is repeating itself one year later."

Theoretical numbers are just that. Pro has some customizations to overcome lower memory bandwidth constrains. Not saying it'll reach the 6TF, of course not. I do not expect it to reach what the Scorpio will deliver, but subjectively the difference won't be that big. I'm pretty sure we'll match again at E3, if MS will actually show some games.

LastCenturyRob3314d ago

What bottle necks? If any they will be relatively minor. The Scorpio will be able to play many games at 4k/30fps.... Would it be nice if they added a better CPU so it could do 4k/60fps, sure but that would have added significant cost. As it stands the Scorpio will be able to do what it is advertising. Enhanced gameplay and graphics as opposed to current gen consoles with potential to do native 4k/30fps. Fact is the Scorpio will be a significant jump over any other console and will have that advantage for a few years at least.Fact is the Scorpio if not 43% "better" is very close to that number. Not sure why you are so upset by that. Improvements such as the Scorpio are always a good thing for console gaming.

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Stsonic3315d ago

Why post a bullshot of the xbox teardown compared to some generic pro teardown and claim xbox looks more advanced

KingKionic 3315d ago

Generic? IFIXIT is generic? LOL

https://www.ifixit.com/Tear...

The Xbox Scorpio teardown is a blowout directly from the Xbox Scorpio website telling you what each component is.

http://www.xbox.com/en-us/p...

Sharky2313315d ago

I was thinking it was a computer mock up of the insides of the Scorpio! Not saying it still won't be a beast. IF you did the same thing for the pro guts it would look outstanding also!

Automatic793315d ago

@kionic

Well said. Bottom line the Xbox Scorpio will have a demonstrable difference compared to PS Pro.

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christocolus3315d ago (Edited 3315d ago )

I can't wait to play RDR2, SOT, CR3 an BF 2 on Scorpio. I'm more of a FH fan but I'm eager to see what T10 are able to do with FM7 on Scorpio.

jlove4life3315d ago

Gran turismo on ps4pro says hello

XabiDaChosenOne3315d ago

@christocolus How self absorbed do You have to be to get in the middle of a comment thread and start stating what YOU can't wait to play? News flash, no one cares.

christocolus3315d ago

@Xabi...............

Uh oh..Did I hurt your feelings? Guess what? That's what I'm looking forward to playing. I don't care if you or anyone else gets hurt by that.

gangsta_red3314d ago

Uh oh...hey everyone, Xabi is upset that someone is posting what games they want to play on a video game website about video games.

I suggest we all never comment on any game we want to play from this point on or Xabi might get peeved.

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UKmilitia3315d ago

im sure halo 6,forza 4 and gears 5 will look good on it.

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christocolus3315d ago (Edited 3315d ago )

Yes they all will. Along with Ori 2, Sea of thieves, Crackdown 3, State of Decay 2 and I'm sure all multiplats i.e RDR2, BF3, Destiny2 etc will look best on Scorpio too. Isn't it great?

- Forza 4 was released over 4 years ago. Maybe you meant Forza Motorpsort 7 or Forza Horizon 4??

pinkcrocodile753315d ago

Indeed pDealwithit, I saw it too.

I'm looking forward to Sea of Thieves, Crackdown 3, Phantom Dust, Voodoo Vince Remastered, State of Decay, Cuphead, Gignatic, Ashen and since I'm a racing fan, Forza Motorsport 7. Plus anything else they throw at us at E3.

Though I have to say, I'm loving Horizon ZD right now, though I can't get past a section in the techno layer place, I keep having to start again, I've done that twice now. Any advice would be great on that score.

My sons both play xbox and win10, but my husband plays ps4 pro, even my boys agree that it looks the bollocks and horizon look gorgeous.

Now if PS4 Pro looks that good, I'm expecting a seriously smooth experience on Scorpio when it lands in the Autumn.

My only hope is that the VR on Scorpio in 2018 is untethered like HoloLens and not like PSVR.

PSVR is good (now that our processor unit has been replaced) but the wires have to go!

As for bottlenecks, we will only discover them once we have hands on with it.

Pretending to be a technical portent like @Christopher or assuming no games other than Halo, Gears and Forza like @UKmilitia doesn't do anything but make either one side or the other better instead just makes them silly.

PantherDragoon3315d ago

"I'm sure all multiplats i.e RDR2, BF3, Destiny2 etc will look best on Scorpio too"

PC says Hi.

PFFT3315d ago

In all their Native 4K NON-Checkerboard goodness!

XabiDaChosenOne3315d ago

@Christocolus *all the games including the Xbox "exclusives" will look best on PC you mean?

christocolus3315d ago

@Xabi and Panther

Lol.. I guess I stepped on your toes by mentioning Scorpio or maybe by stating the fact that those games will run best on Scorpio. Guess what? This is an article about Pro vs Scorpio and it seems your insecurities are beginning to show and honestly I don't care. Scorpio will be the most powerful home console and those games i mentioned will play best on it.. so I guess you guys will just have to deal with it.

Also get yourself informed by reading this, According to Steams survey, going by that Scorpio will be more powerful than majority of gaming PCs used on steam. http://www.mweb.co.za/games...

PantherDragoon3314d ago

@christocolus

Aww, poor souls thinks scorpio will be the best place to play while pc makes jaguar powered scorpio look like a big joke for 2017, I know I Know, you are kinda excited because for the past three years you have played nothing but shitty arse games at 720-900p but but still....

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Killa783315d ago

Did you actually just post that teardown and state the Scorpio looks 'high quality'!?

Lolwut

Ju3315d ago (Edited 3315d ago )

Well, I am pretty sure that's a great "target render" ;) Pretty sure it's "in engine".

Bigpappy3315d ago

There is no need to compare spec's. Everything is higher just on paper. When the games release the they can compare to see if Scorpio is overrated.

SojournUK3315d ago

Dude, your figures are correct but comparing a glitzy PR photo of the Scorpio and comparing it to a tear down on a white background of the PS4 Pro is just clutching at straws and a bit desperate.

I'm looking forward to a day one purchase of the Scorpio but i hope i never need to see the inside...Ever! Was enough of the insides of my Xbox 360's due to the RROD debacle.

Angeljuice3315d ago

"Stuff looks high quality in the scorpio in comparison."

That makes a change. I've repaired both PS3's and 360's and PS3's are far better quality. Same goes for previous generations.
Maybe Microsoft are finally learning how cheaper doesn't mean better when it comes to console manufacturing.

LexHazard793315d ago

That teardown makes PS4 Pro look cheap next to the Scorpio. No offence intended by the way. Just an observation about the pic.

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Mithan3315d ago

Come on, the link you posted is a marketing image, nothing more. Garbage to base a "quality decision" on that image.

Anyways, the Scorpio is a good 40-50% faster and has more memory. Awesome console.

Lets hope they keep the cost and price down.

frostypants3315d ago

Yep. FailingBolt strikes again. Nobody doubts Scorpio's power. It is the library people are concerned over.

Berenwulf3314d ago

That is not a teardown of the xbox scorpio.... It's an advertisement and advertisements never look like they do in real life. Let's just wait for a real teardown.

OB1Biker3314d ago (Edited 3314d ago )

Hardware comparisons are a bit silly at this point and gaminbot knows how to bring up fanboy wars for clicks.
Of course one year later and more expensive will get you a more capable hardware. You need to know the price though, and what you do with that power. No game are using the pro to it's potential and probably none either will use Scorpio to its potential.

NohansenBoy3314d ago

The price is going to be absurd though.

QUIMICOMORTAL3314d ago

Thats true, let us now compare exclusives available....

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StormLegend3315d ago

Just because it's powerful doesn't mean the Pro won't be just as good. It'll still have 4k support and games will still look amazing on it.

Gunstar753315d ago

It won't be as graphically powerful.

But as graphics don't matter (since last week), nobody is gonna be bothered about having the best looking multiplayer on console move from Sony to Microsofts hardware.

It's all good 😊

Rude-ro3315d ago

Hahahahahahaha!!!
You said last week.
Thought it was the last 3 years?!
Glad you corrected that.
So Microsoft will have the worst versions of multiplats, and the best...
Now they just need to become a gaming company.

Gunstar753315d ago

Correction. My stupid phone changed "multiplats" to "multiplayers"

Masta Kaos3315d ago

Nobody is moving from Sony to MS....

mcstorm3315d ago

At the end of the day Sony made the pro for vr we all know that and the reason why it's also had no support form Sony. Don't remember the last time i saw a ps4 advert for the pro or vr. Sony really need to start upping the game now. Yes they have alot of exusives on the way but Microsoft are bringing some quality games later on this year with a new console to so Microsoft will be advising the hell out of it and creating hype about it being the most powerful like Sony did with the ps4. People then look at game smile cod and FIFA and will look to want the new console for it. Sounds daft but true. I think this Christmas time will be an interesting one as Nintendo seem to be doing well with the switch Microsoft seem to be getting great things said about the Scorpio and making hype and Sony have some big hitters later on this year to but for me need to push the pro harder. I think vr will not take off and they need to rethink how to sell the pro that said great time to be a gamer.

Ju3315d ago

^^ Funny that you bring up Fifa (and CoD), Fifa runs 4k@60fps on the pro (flatlined) and CoD actually runs amazing on the Pro somewhere in the range of 1800p @ 60fps. I wonder how much better Fifa should look on the Scorpio or how much better CoD will run at 2160...

Ceaser98573613315d ago (Edited 3315d ago )

mcstorm

"Sony really need to start upping the game now. Yes they have alot of exusives on the way but Microsoft are bringing some quality games later on this year with a new console"

LOL! WHAAAAT??? To much of Internet for you today... I could have trolled you but then doesnt look good to troll a 5 year old ... Anyways Go to sleep kid...

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TheCommentator3315d ago

XB1 has 4K support too... how many XB1 games are native 4K though? Pro has 4K support, sure, but none of Sony's 1st party studios are supporting native 4K. If Guerilla or PD can't hit native 4K, who will? Hardly anything on Pro hits native 4K and that's the way it will stay because Sony built for checkerboarding.

Consider the 43% Scorpio advantage on paper, and then factor in the 60 improvements that optimize efficiency over the pure power specs. Scorpio will honestly be native 4K for any game a dev wants to make native 4K, including 900p XB1 games. Scorpio will have more native 4k support on Day One, and most games will support that resolution going forwards too. Pro has been out for a year and I don't even think they've got a dozen native 4k titles yet.

Just as good? Don't think so.

Bennibop3315d ago

Plenty of native 4k games on Pro.

Rude-ro3315d ago

The "optimization" is just to scale.
They have their own agenda but game engines is not it.
Sony built the PS4 and pro around game engines. Pushing techniques that allow efficient coding while getting the most out of the game.
Microsofts goal is to scale ie make a game for the Xbox one, Scorpio, and pc.
How efficient it is is yet to be seen although 12 has been used for over a year with mixed results of Xbox one games on pc.

Huge differences in play here.

TheCommentator3315d ago (Edited 3315d ago )

WTF, Rude-Ro, you can't be serious right now. MS made 60 improvements to the GPU based off of how EVERY SINGLE XBOX ONE GAME RUNS INTO BOTTLENECKS. You are right that there is a huge difference between Pro and Scorpio, it's just the opposite of what you contend.

As for 12 (I assume you mean DX12), it continues to evolve as far as game engines go, and new features like SM6 and Nvidia's physics and lighting renderer will perform very well on DX12 HW. Nvidia says that on GPU's without DX12 HW, the function of the HW will have to be emulated first. What that means is that as engines mature, XB1 (because of HW acceleration) will get better along with them, while PS4 will have to emulate the DX12 HW >and< run the program. I don't have to explain that emulation is the exact opposite of acceleration when it comes to performance.

TKCMuzzer3315d ago (Edited 3315d ago )

Correct me if I am wrong though, the Pro has received patches to up the resolution, which means the actual game assets get a bump in resolution, this I believe is different from the Xbox One S which uses an upscaler, They would give completely different results. e.g, the Xbox One S just upscales the 900p image to fit 4K, this could in theory make some games look worse depending on the original assets.

PrinterMan3315d ago

One must also consider the game engines. As some have spoken (Guerrilla Games) the engine was developed for 30fps regardless of resolution. Would they be able to hit 60? I doubt it, but my point is that numbers are almost meaningless these days. Just show me the goods because there are always concessions. I have a very good PC with a GTX1080 and I cannot hit 60 fps ultra on all games. Scorpio, PS4 Pro are/will be good machines and we get to choose who to support or perhaps, just support the games and play with buddies on whatever your choice of system is. Scorpio owners will be disappointed if they think nothing will compare to how amazing it's games will look. They will no doubt look great, but I'm already seeing what it can do so no news for me.

yomfweeee3315d ago

Pro has only been out for half a year.
Pro has over a dozen native 4K games.

But let's not let facts interfere with your argument. Just make false claims instead.

Rude-ro3315d ago

@thecomm

You are beyond wrong in what you are thinking power = game engines.
I can see why you support Microsoft.
The war, that you completely not aware of is not game development for Microsoft. They do not make games.
IF microsoft knew how to make games... then the Scorpio would not be coming because they would be creating games that people would be buying. Especially now since the console does not even matter since they are releasing on pc as well. Neither showing any great signs of success.

I will go with the long history of Sony actually providing... you keep hoping Microsoft is not spinning their way through this gen.

"The Xbox one will be 4x the power with cloud gaming"...
This was their sales pitch for 2 years. Not games. Not techniques developers can use to get the best out of their console...
A hypothetical cloud. Just like Kinect false demos.

krypt19833315d ago

@bennibop sorry but there is only 10 native 4k games on pro and they are soorts games and indie titles everything else is fraudulent checkerboarding, thats ok though play the games you enjoy https://www.google.com/amp/...

Ju3315d ago (Edited 3315d ago )

Native 4K is overrated, seriously. Who cares how you get to a 3840x2160? Sony was well aware the 200 and something GB/s won't cut it. Neither do the 4.2TF. But HZDs (hw assisted) CB can make up a portion of the bandwidth deficit. Else this wouldn't look like it does @ 4K. There are no (!) CB artifact and there is no (!) frame rate dip at a full 2160p CB resolution what would be impossible going by raw performance numbers here.

Of course, if we'd have a native 4K target render to compare, you all would point out that one micro pixel (what DPI is that on a 55" from 6ft away?) which in fact is never there in a still shot, and irrelevant in motion at this resolution. Pro's CB implementation is THAT good.

Now go disagree. For the people who actually have the game in 4K & HDR, they know what I am talking about.

BTW: Sony always had far less overhead than DirectX. Libgx (or whatever that is now, man, getting old, forgetting thins), is a low overhead library, Sony has a additional stage in the shader doing compute since the PS4 released (e.g. can do geometry processing in the pixel shader). All those "customizations" are just there to compensate the much more efficient Pro gx core. Sure DX is more flexible and does more management tasks, but performance wise, one can do that already on the PS4. Guess that''s one reason why e.g. DC looks a generation above FZ6.

And for Nvidia's "rhetoric" for non DX12 engines, that most likely refers to previous DX engines (and graphics cards).

And I guess you are talking about Scorpio in 4K, no game on the XB1 runs in 4K. I can't believe people seriously believe that marketing phrase. Seems to have worked.

TheCommentator3314d ago (Edited 3314d ago )

JU, it doesn't matter how a system gets to 4K? Lol. In that case, XB1S can do 4K too.

Also, MS has HW accelerators for checkerboarding too. The deep dive into the HW (not this downplay paraphrased version here, but the actual interview) specifically mentions it.

Drive Club looks better because it runs at 30 fps instead of 60, and Forza runs physics at 360fps as well. PS4 also has a power advantage. Nothing to do with "PS4 efficiency" at all, bud. Nice try.

Nvidia was talking about their physics and lighting renderer running specifically on DX12 HW. PS4 doesn't have it. Nothing to do with an engine at all, since Nvidia states that GPU's without the hW will run things more slowly due to having to emulate the DX12 HW their renderer runs on. Instead of assuming, maybe you should inform yourself by watching the Nvidia presentation instead.

Utalkin2me3314d ago

@krypt1983

Kid is using a old article from 3 months ago. To use for current games....SMFH.....

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DigitalRaptor3315d ago (Edited 3315d ago )

As well as power, it's going to be really interesting to see what developer support is going to be like for Scorpio compared to the PS4 Pro since there isn't actually a mandate for them to support it. It will also be interesting to see just how this native 4K drive is going to be since Phil promised "uncompromised" 4K.

Either way, I'm happy for Microsoft and Xbox fans that have been clamouring for a more powerful machine for years for whatever reasons.

Christopher3315d ago

In the context of performance, which is what is being discussed here, it absolutely does mean it won't be as good.

bumbleforce3315d ago

Ya just like x1 games don't run as well as ps4 versions. It will he the same thing but a much different gap. A game like witcher 3 for example will run at 4k 30 maybe even 4k 60 on Scorpio while ps4 will be 900 p I believe

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MasterCornholio3315d ago (Edited 3315d ago )

The Witcher 3 is 1080P on the PS4. If they optimized for the Pro they can even reach a higher resolution than 1080P. The only console that runs The Witcher 3 in 900P is the Xbox One.

Ju3315d ago (Edited 3315d ago )

Fun fact. They didn't patch The Witcher 3 for the Pro, and it is very unlikely it will get patched for the Scorpio. So I predict, it will run 1080p @ 30 on Scorpio as well.

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343_Guilty_Spark3315d ago

It won't be using 4k assets. And it will only achieve 60 fps for sub 4k resolutions.

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Yetter3315d ago

it won't be 'as good'. Still a solid console, but the Scorpio is just all around better on every level from a hardware perspective

TheCommentator3315d ago

It even has checkerboard accelerators, similar to Pro, for devs who want to take advantage of the reduced overhead for better performance elsewhere.

Ju3315d ago

See, this is another fun fact. Scorpio does neither have a HW CB accelerator nor support for FP16. So, neither of that will actually accelerate on the Scoprio. CB is fully realized in the CUs (software) and the GPU has no dedicated FP16 instructions. So, FP16 optimized shaders are indeed 50% faster on the Pro, and CB will possibly shave up more frame time there.

TheCommentator3314d ago

Ju, here's a fun fact for you... Educating yourself makes you look smart, while making assumptions like you are makes you look stupid. MS does indeed have CB accelerators, and if you look at where fp16 is offering a 50% performance increase, you'll find that it translates to about a 5-10% boost to overall performance in a best case scenario.

jrshankill3315d ago

What? That's the biggest 180 ever posted!

Your argument for the past 2 years has been about resolutions and FPS. Why change now? Oooh I know...

DAEMONIFEAR3315d ago (Edited 3315d ago )

A checkerboard 4K "resolution" isn't comparable to native 4K resolution with 16x AA textures!

Resolution is just a bump of the initial 1080-1800p textures they're not getting any graphical texture upgrade what so ever! PS4 will still have nice looking games but nothing compared to scorpio! You'll see the difference when GT: Sport is compared next to Forza 7 ;)

Ju3315d ago (Edited 3315d ago )

Not true. Pro introduced a new compressed texture format to indeed support higher resolution textures (in the same memory footprint). Sure not exactly the same as indeed more physical memory, but still a way of having high resolution textures compared to the PS4. Another fun fact. Racing games are in fact the least texture demanding games there are (besides flight simulators). All those shiny cars with those flat surfaces...its more demanding in physics and audio processing

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QUIMICOMORTAL3314d ago

better yet, the pro has less pixels but more games!

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deadfrag3315d ago

Its obvious that Microsoft offering is going to be superior in terms of tech than the PS4 PRO,it comes one year after the release of the PS4 PRO so expecting or releasing anything below or equal to the PS4 PRO in terms of raw specs would be stupid,just like this all article is.

DrumBeat3315d ago

I agree. This is a stupid article, written by someone who is stupid and submitted by another person who is stupid. It's meant to stir up stupidity. We all know the hardware is superior. It doesn't need a "deep dive."

mark_parch3315d ago

why did you click on the article then?

blackblades3315d ago

Eactly what I said when seeing the title. They just keep rubbing it in people faces, like we already know how strong it is. It's like the same crap from before the reveal.

jrshankill3315d ago

So it's stupid because it's true?

4Sh0w3315d ago

Exactly. I mean I'm a Xbox fan but I think articles like these are stupid= of course it's going to be more powerful, I don't need daily reassurance, nor do I need to rub it in ps fans face.....no click from me, I'll wait for some informative/ interesting news.

krypt19833315d ago

Moving goal posts now Playstation is the weaker console and will be every generation from here on out, i remember when comsoles first shipped all you heard about was the gpu difference and resolution now it don't matter, fact is every game will look and perform better on xbox that will get alot of mindshare back

himdeel3315d ago

I agree 100%. The new hardware is suppose to be better. Dumbest shit article ever.

What's next? I know let's compare video cards from 2 years ago to the ones released today and do a deep dive into why today's video cards are better.

nitus103315d ago

@mark_parch

Well, I for one did not click on the article (it's click bait after all) and as far as the raw power we all know the Scorpio is more powerful than the PS4pro on paper but at this moment in time, the PS4pro is still the most powerful console until the Scorpio makes an appearance later this year.

When the Scorpio becomes available it will sell but will it sell more than the PS4pro which will have been out more than a year and will be cheaper? Yes, Microsoft could sell the Scorpio at a loss but I don't think Microsoft's shareholders would take very kindly to that.

Why o why3314d ago

Damn you guys, . . . .that balance is rare.

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trooper_3315d ago

It's like we have to be constantly reminded about how powerful the Scorpio is.

Like okay, we get it.

Gh05t3315d ago

ohh the irony of a comment like this.

Paytaa3315d ago

I agree, but at the same time, up until the Scorpio was announced or the spec reveal rather we were continuously getting PS4 is the most powerful console for like 3 years.

It's stupid flamebait, but people who draw invisible lines eat it up. Same thing will happen once the PS5 is announced and then same with Scorpio 2, etc.

jrshankill3315d ago

We haven't heard the end of how powerful the ps4 is for years

XanderZane3315d ago

No different then being reminded that the XB1 is weaker then the PS4. How some XB1 games aren't native 1080P, when they are on the PS4. How many threads and comments did we hear about that on N4G. Thousand and thousand of times.

FinalFantasyFanatic3315d ago

Isn't everyone just having a dick waving contest at this point. Personally I'm not overly excited about either console's refresh.

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TheCommentator3315d ago

Sony waited a year to launch the PS3 and the 360 still outperformed it. Using your logic, I guess that makes Sony "stupid"?

Brave_Losers_Unite3315d ago (Edited 3315d ago )

Show me one game that looked better then Uncharted 2, Uncharted 3, The Last of Us, Killzone 2, Killzone 3

Rude-ro3315d ago

There is not one single "exclusive" that could compete with the PS3 exclusives...
Developers hated the cell processor and they all said so when they could by not trying to optimize.
A huge mistake by Sony by trying to go against the norm on hardware development against a pc giant like Microsoft.
But sonys ability to design hardware for games is top notch and with the slap in the face last gen, they, instead, backed away from said mistakes of yore.
The power advantage is a chest thumper for die hard Xbox fans, but what Sony has done with the power they have is still unbeaten thus far. Microsoft will need to prove they are a gaming business still and not in the gaming business to monopolize.

TheCommentator3315d ago

The cell processor was good for streaming media... like Blu Ray... which is why Sony made all of you believe Blu Ray was necessary for you... when it was really necessary for them to make sure they didn't lose to HD DVD. HD DVD had a better codec, more features, and better sales. As soon as PS3 launched, HD DVD was dead, and everybody (including MS who didn't put HD DVD into the 360) knew it would happen that way.

Brave Losers Unite, believe what you want but I know what color your glasses are! 😉

Ron_Danger3315d ago (Edited 3315d ago )

@thecommentator

"As soon as PS3 launched, HD DVD was dead, and everybody (including MS who didn't put HD DVD into the 360) knew it would happen that way."

If MS knew that, then why did they even sell the HD DVD player at all since it launched the same time the PS3 launched and they continued to sell it for a few years??

PS3 launch Nov 2006
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

XBox 360 HD DVD launch Nov 2006
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

Something tells me MS knows their fanboys more than their fanboys know them.

TheCommentator3315d ago

MS has had a long standing relationship with Toshiba, going well before HD DVD.

But on that note, I'm out! ✌

Brave_Losers_Unite3315d ago

You are out cause you don't know how to defend youself lmao

BlackTar1873315d ago

@commentator

So let me get this straight from your own words MS knew hddvd was gonna fail yet they sold them to you guys anyways? Think about that, say it out loud and tell me how hilarious that is for you to just jump on board with. This company knew they were wasting your money and did it anyways. What crazy world do you actually live in that you would find that acceptable? For fcks sake man

Ju3315d ago

Play Gears 2 (or 3) on the XB1 and than go play KZ2 (not even 3) on the PS3...you might want to rethink that argument.

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Brave_Losers_Unite3315d ago

Something something Nintendo Switch

badz1493315d ago

this is like saying who bought the GTX1080 is out of luck this year because there is going to be the more powerful GTX1080Ti coming. or in your face whoever bought Galaxy S7, the S8 will blow it out of the water! WTF this needs an article? I mean if both of them are out at the same time like how the Xbone was underpowered compared to the PS4, then gloat all you want but with a year difference, tech is moving forward and 99% of the time the newer device will be more powerful...unless if you're Nintendo, then that logic goes out of the window!

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Playstation Plus Monthly Games for May: EA Sports FC 26, Wuchang: Fallen Feathers, Nine Sols

All available May 5.

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FPSRUSSIA18d ago

What's Point in commenting your basicly closing down the site.

LiViNgLeGaCY18d ago

I'm surprised it's still the old site. I thought he said starting today?

Eonjay18d ago

Its like the final episode of the Sapranos. You gonna go to make a comment and when you click add th-

Profchaos18d ago

Timezone thing maybe.... RIP

darthv7218d ago

Insert the Ferris Bueller end scene... "You're still here? It's over.."

LiViNgLeGaCY18d ago

I think the only game here for me is Nine Sols. Was always interested in that game.

TheColbertinator18d ago

Glad I don't buy FIFA games anymore

Rebel_Scum18d ago

Hey now! Thats a great month.

Nacho_Z18d ago

Good month for me, I wanted that particular footy game and thought it might be due. Anyway who cares, shame about the site I'll miss the comment sections. All the best everyone.

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Naughty Dog Was Reportedly Divided On Joel's Controversial Fate During Development Of TLOU Part 2

Naughty Dog was reportedly divided on the controversial fate of Joel in The Last of Us Part 2 during the game's development.

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SimpleDad19d ago

NO, that can't be... No! I can't... Really?/s

Cacabunga19d ago

They for sure chose the worst way to deal with it

-Foxtrot17d ago

Funny considering Bruce left half way through development and now we get told there was an internal conflict with the story direction.

Makes you think…

HectixRose19d ago

I think it was good decision, if he was still alive, he would have been a mascot just like Kratos, drake and many others. These old dudes gotta die for new characters to take center stage with their own storyline. They keep dragging the emotional baggage into many sequels and eventually the story just turns into absolute shit show.

JEECE19d ago

It was ironic because people complained heavily about the story in the Uncharted games not having sufficient stakes because all the key characters always survived, despite the dangerous situations they were always in. Then ND killed a character in a more serious series and everyone lost their minds. Just shows that people don't always really want the thing they say they want.

CantThinkOfAUsername18d ago

I thought the more common complaint about Uncharted franchise was how the main cast are the good guys acting so nonchalantly while killing hundreds in cold blood (aka the dissonance between gameplay and story cutscenes). They just did it again in Part II.

Soy19d ago

Didn't have to kill him. Just have them part ways or Joel can "retire," whatever.

DarXyde18d ago

I don't think he would necessarily need to become a mascot (and besides, technically, I'd say Ellie is... So regardless, someone was going to be).

From a narrative perspective, I do think it has a similar effect to Ricky dying in Boyz N Da Hood: very likeable character, and you're really motivated to see the get back—in this case, it's more intense because it's an interactive experience. Most people hated Abby, but I get what they were after with portraying the cycle of violence and revenge—unfortunately, the game appears to want to take the side of the bad people.

But I will say that if Joel survived, it does become harder to tell an interesting story. What COULD have happened is an exploration into the rift between Joel and Ellie after the trolley dilemma events of the first game. It could have been interesting to see Abby out for revenge at the same time Ellie hated Joel.

Ashunderfire8618d ago

Sorry just had to say this lol! RICKYYYY!

Man Cuba Gooding Jr was miscast in that movie, but that part was cringey it was sad and funny at the same time man.

Ashunderfire8618d ago (Edited 18d ago )

I understand but the way they went about killing Joel, was poorly executed. Even the show of the Last of Us games tried to improved it, but it was just as bad. Well at least Joel got to know the reason why he had to die, before the death happened in the show. That part gave us the full context, but the game just let it happen with no pay off.

Joel death should have been a midway thing through the story, so we at least get to play him a little more with Ellie. Abby didn’t need to be this Hulk looking woman, but more like the show Abby which is a beater idea in my opinion.

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InUrFoxHole19d ago

The only ND game that was so disappointing to me I couldn't finish it.

pwnmaster300019d ago

Honestly as much as I loved the game, they could have just not killed him off.
I get it creator vision and all but killing a character that made you millions is just wrong imo. At least have him go down fighting.

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Final Fantasy X 25th Anniversary Website Launches With New Nomura Artwork and Merchandise

Square Enix launches Final Fantasy X 25th anniversary site, revealing new Nomura art, books, music releases, and merchandise.

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-Foxtrot19d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle18d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7718d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments