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It’s time Microsoft announced the Xbox 4

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We know the specifications and the release date, but Project Scorpio still has no name. Here's why it should be the Xbox 4.

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SlappingOysters3331d ago

Then what? The Xbox 5 when the PS5 comes out?

darthv723331d ago (Edited 3331d ago )

I guess, technically, scorpio would be their 4th system. Considering it is so radically different than other iterative consoles. It's more than a bump in speed and performance. The xb1s... THAT'S a bump in speed and performance.

Scorpio is full on next gen level schtuff. MS is just keeping this dog chained for now. I mean it looks to support HDMI 2.1 which supports 8k and even 10k with dynamic HDR as well as variable refresh rates. Those are next gen features from what I have been reading.

mikeslemonade3330d ago

DArth^

How is a console that is 33% stronger that PS Pro a next gen console? PS Pro was better than PS Poor by like 110% (4.2 Teraflops compared to 1.84).

PS5 should be out in 2018

andrewsquall3330d ago

@darthv72 Its funny that after the spec reveal last week, and revelation that the CPU is just the same one again overclocked, that people like you still exist saying Scorpio is "practically a next gen console" lol.

Yet again, as stated at the Scorpio announcement 10 months ago, its the SAME GDDR5 architecture as the PS4 released in 2013.

darthv723330d ago (Edited 3330d ago )

@both above, is a snes not a next gen nes? Or a genesis not a next gen master system. In fact each system has had only minor improvements to their cpu (with a few exceptions). Generally the real star of a next gen system is its graphical power.

So.... yeah. While the cpu got a speed boost in both pro and scorpio it is really the gpu that improved the most. As for comparatives... you dont compare a next gen system to just the other guy. You also have to compare it to what was previously released.

As such the difference between xb1 and scorpio is HUGE (Trump voice) at 4x+, while the difference between ps4 and pro was big at 2x+.

blackblades3330d ago

There's a lot of those lately.

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S2Killinit3331d ago

I think MS is trying to catch up in numbers because they have an inferiority complex when it Comes to their heritage in the gaming community being less than Playstation's. That's why they name their consoles weird names like 360, One, etc.

PimpDaddy3331d ago

Leave the internet please. You're trying way to hard now...

darthv723331d ago

Not every company can be as original as playstation and its naming scheme.

(Rolls eyes)

Gazondaily3331d ago

Lmao! 😂😂🤣 Yeah they have been screwed over by the numbers that's why they went back to calling their third gen console Xbox ONE.

😂

UnHoly_One3330d ago

They have always done weird things with version numbers.

Windows 95, XP, 2000, ME, Vista, etc...

And they aren't the only ones.

Apple had an iPad, then an iPad2, then iPad again, then iPad Air.

S2Killinit3330d ago (Edited 3330d ago )

Watch the next one have some other weired name until MS can claim the generation that their console is one digit higher (or equal to) than the coinciding Sony console. Then they will go to a nomal/linear name scheme.

@unholly_one
Thats true. And i think in each of those cases there is a reason. For example i think Apple because of its complete dominance, and how fast they come out with new hardware every year, has an interest in keeping the number down otherwise their product may loose its novelty factor in the consumer's perspective. With Xbox, they dont want to come out with xbox 3 when there is a Playstation 4 out there. Note that xbox "360" came out along with Playstation "3". 360 vs. 3. It wasnt coincidence.

joshljr3324d ago

I'm pretty sure went with 360 because it was their second console... If Xbox 2 released beside PS3, the less educated would buy on numbers alone.

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Retroman3331d ago

Im wondering what happened to Xbox 2,3?? not alone Xbox 4

sampson31213330d ago

ps5 will be out in the next couple yrs. and it will have the same kind of specs as the scorpio.
MS built a next gen console and won't be making a new console for a long time.

so yes, it is a xbox 4. xbox 5 won't come out for another 5 - 6 yrs.

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badz1493330d ago

@sampson3121

You just used "next couple yrs" and "same kind of spec as the scorpio" in the same sentence! Do you think Sony is stupid or something?

Sure the PS5 will be out in the next couple of years but NOT with 6TF and for sure not with GDDR5 and only 12GB of it. They don't even consider the Pro that is around 220% more powerful as next gen but somehow you think the PS5 will only be like 43% more powerful than the Pro? SMH

In a couple of years time, 1080Ti like power will probably be low end considering how quickly GPU tech is moving nowadays. I would bet that the PS5 would be more powerful than that or equivalent. And with AMD already using HBM memory in their 290X Fury, I can see HBM as being the next upgrade the PS5 will embrace. Might even be HBM2, who knows.

sampson31213330d ago

@badz149

my point is the Scorpio isn't a pro version of the Xbox one. making a console that is so much more powerful than the current consoles is way to big a leap for it to be a pro version.

And my other point was, and i blame myself for not properly explaining, the ps5 will be at least as powerful as the Scorpio but i can see them making it more powerful. one thing Sony learned with the ps3 is how much they can and cannot charge people for their consoles. this is why the pro was so cheap, they didn't want to make it too powerful because of price and bad feelings from the early ps4 adopters.

If MS sells the Scorpio for anything more than $500 they will learn the same lesson Sony did.

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mad-dog3331d ago

Nonsense. It's a XboxOne Pro. Not a new gen.
People still think that?

SlappingOysters3331d ago

True, but the idea that pitching it as a next-gen could grab the mainstream MS is losing to Sony has merit. I can't see the Xbox One Pro making inroads on the PS4.

freshslicepizza3331d ago

then dont look at it as a device to overtake the ps4 pro, look at it as a nice alternative instead.

microsoft probably felt they couldnt hold on too much longer with just trhe xbox one s to compete with games getting more and more advanced but its too early for them to call it quits. nintendo has decided to cut the wiiu short but microsoft already did that with the original xbox. the difference is the xbox one s isn't really a failure like those two systems. its already rumored at 28 million sold. thats a heck of a lot more than the wii u and already more than the original xbox sold.

most people who view it as a failure are just using the ps4's huge success as some level they must be comparable to.

RosweeSon3331d ago

I can't see anything Xbox do as making inroads because they are focused on hardware when they need games not more consoles to still play no games or 1 big one a year.

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jznrpg3331d ago (Edited 3331d ago )

@Moldy Maybe the the xb1 sales is decent and not a failure but their game lineup is no matter what spin is given

343_Guilty_Spark3331d ago

Xbox One X. If I'm wrong I'll eat a PS4. Bookmark this post.

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infostorm3331d ago (Edited 3331d ago )

are you an insider?

YEP4143331d ago

Microsoft not doing new gens anymore so your point not valid. Xbox 4 makes sense

sampson31213330d ago

so you think that MS is working on a more powerful console than the scorpio? you think it will come out in the next couple yrs?

scorpio will be what xbox gamers will be playing for a long time.
sony will come out with the ps5 in 2019 which will match the scorpio and that will be it for both companies till 2025 at least.

nothing wrong with that.

mad-dog3330d ago

Haha, you actually think the next Playstation will match the Scorpio in two years?
That would be really disappointing.

frostypants3330d ago (Edited 3330d ago )

How do people still think Scorpio is NOT a new gen? Explain why...because hardware wise, there's no debate. Scorpio's raw processing ability is roughly as big a leap over the One as the One was over the 360.

Is it because it shares compatibility with the software of another Xbox? Hate to break it to you, but if that's your measure, there will never BE a new gen. Cross-gen software compatibility is going to be the new normal. The next Xbox after Scorpio will play everything back to the One, and new titles will be compatible with at least 2 gens. The PS5 will likely play everything back to the OG PS4, and new games will likely also play on at least the PS4 Pro.

MS/Sony generations will now be defined purely by processing power, and Scorpio *is* a full generational leap based on the numbers. Don't sell it short.

green3330d ago (Edited 3330d ago )

The difference between the Xbox One and the Xbox 360 is much much bigger than 360 to Xbox One

Since on this site, teraflops is the new benchmark, the 360 had 0.24 teraflops. The Xbox One is 1.23 so that is almost 10 times more.

If you look at RAM, the Xbox One has 16 times more Ram than 360 (512mb vs 8GB).

The average from one generation to the next generation right before the arrival of PS1 has been at least a 10 times leap in power.

If the gap was the same, then the Scorpio should have a 12 teraflops GPU and at least 128 GB of Ram

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paulomoreira3331d ago

are this people for real we are living in a sad world indeed

JasonKCK3330d ago

They are for real, and there's a lot of them.

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XiNatsuDragnel3331d ago

Ditch the Xbox One that is infamous since 2013, make a new name and start over.

Condemnedman3330d ago

they should call it troll hater super pro beater

Death3331d ago

I say stick with what works, Project Scorpio. Why change it when this is the name people are all talking about.

Goldby3331d ago

because parents wont have a clue what their kids mean when they say i need a Microsoft xbox project scorpio.

Just like how the Morpheus was rebranded to the PSVR. the name may be catchy now, but it need to be able to explain what it is in the name, Project Scorpio doesn't say anything, Xbox though says its a gaming console.

Death3331d ago

Do you really think Scorpio is going to target casual gamers? How many kids say I need a Sony Playstation 4 Pro? They would probably ask for a PS4Pro. I'd imagine most people would just say "Scorpio". I disagree Xbox is synonymous with gaming. Do you forget how many people were confused at the Xbox One reveal when they thought it was a cable box? Gamers/people can be really stupid when they want to.

Goldby3331d ago

@Death

"Gamers/people can be really stupid when they want to."
Precisely why Project Scorpio as a name for the console will not sell it. At the end of the day, they need to be able to sell it to casuals as well, even though they aren't targeting the casual gamer. pretty much the way it works is if you have an Xbox One, Xbox one S and Project Scorpio all sitting on the shelf together. the casual gamer will see the xbox one and one s as similar consoles, iterations if you will. but they would see scorpio as something all together different, and unless Ms starts rebranding their game cases to say scorpio enabled, every case says xbox one, not scorpio and so the casual will see a console and no games playable on it.

At the end of the day as well, PSVR wasn't targetign the casuals as well, but still rebranded from Morpheus to help reduce confusion as well as make it easier to recognize exactly what it is.

Project names are always cooler than the final product name. just something we have to live with.

RosweeSon3331d ago

Parents can use Google ;)

Goldby3331d ago

@rowen

and do you think a parent that has no idea what the consoles are would be able to decipher through everything that for example is on this site, from the doom and gloom articles, to the fanatics on both sides spouting misinformation

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stormhawk3331d ago

Wii U was supposed to continue the trend of Wii, which worked earlier

andrewsquall3330d ago

Do you remember the Nintendo Nx that everybody was talking about from March 2015 to November 2016. Exactly, bet you forgot all about that and after E3 2017, you will forget all about "Scorpio" too.

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Final Fantasy X 25th Anniversary Website Launches With New Nomura Artwork and Merchandise

Square Enix launches Final Fantasy X 25th anniversary site, revealing new Nomura art, books, music releases, and merchandise.

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-Foxtrot27d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle26d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7726d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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Relientk7731d ago

I remember playing this back in the day on PS2. What a sick game!

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Outside_ofthe_Box32d ago (Edited 32d ago )

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster300032d ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv7232d ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

S2Killinit31d ago

The fans didn’t tell them to go multilat. MS was forced to after the 82 billion they spent to destroy gaming. Then, while xbox fans cheered, MS realized they can’t justify the price tag by selling through xbox only, so they went multiplat and in the process began to downplay console gaming.

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CrashMania32d ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

S2Killinit31d ago

They will do what they always do, they will promise the world at the beginning of next GEN and then failed to deliver all generation long. But there will always be some gamers who will buy into their promises.

ocelot0731d ago

Absolutely agree, Do people genuinely believe Microsoft are now going to go. Hang on how's about we go back to 2020. Then GP was stagnating, Games sold where awful because of GP. Outsold by Playstation by a landslide.

They have sold 5m of Forza I believe on PS5. Spite it being a old game. I think Starfield is going to sell well in the end. Halo is deffinetly going to sell well as is Fable and Forza Horizon 6.

I think at best (for Xbox fans). Single player titles like Clockwork will have a timed exclusivity. Multiplayer centric games like Forza, E Day will release day and date on all platforms.

Or all games will release on all platforms day and date. But maybe Xbox and Windows Store copies will have exclusive bonuses. Or may even get timed exclusive dlc like Fallout and Elder Scrolls and COD use to do.

I think they will treat Xbox players like the premium customers or at least act the way. But will serve just the Playstation and Switch 2 customers as well.

Neonridr32d ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box32d ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Neonridr31d ago

@Outside - possibly, but it might push people to want Xbox hardware so they can play with their buddies day one.

Who knows.

S2Killinit31d ago (Edited 31d ago )

it would but remember doing that can splinter the COD fan base and in the process damage the call of duty brand which is probably the only franchise in that $82 billion purchase that in anyway gets even close to delivering what Microsoft thought they bought. If Microsoft fudges around too much with the COD franchise, you might even see a competitor franchise show up on the scene and that would be a catastrophe after the huge debt that Microsoft put itself into with the ABK purchase.

But Its almost guaranteed that Microsoft will want to do something drastic at the beginning of the next generation as they always do. We will see.

Pyrofire9532d ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv7232d ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

S2Killinit31d ago (Edited 31d ago )

A lot of their base left for greener (bluer?) pastures.

--Onilink--32d ago

What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

Outside_ofthe_Box31d ago (Edited 31d ago )

I agree. I mean once they went multiplat, in theory there should be no going back especially when you have games that have sold really well on other platforms.

Microsoft are the ones that announced that they are reevaluating. So I'm just guessing on what their end goal is. Right now Xbox as a hardware is not a must buy for anyone but fans of the brand because their games can be played elsewhere. Going exclusive would solve this, but you lose out on a ton of money instantly which has always been what the company does not want to do so not really sure what their "reevaluating exclusives" means unless they are pulling a Phil Spencer and are just saying what people want to hear and will continue to do what they are currently doing.

darthv7231d ago

Their ports to PS5 are selling because Sony's output has been so dry... the fans are thirsty, and MS is the oasis.

SIdepocket31d ago

Unfortunately, the studios they buy wither under their leadership.

mcstorm31d ago

Microsoft still has a name with Xbox the issue is the casual games are not looking at the console because its not the same console their friends have. Look at that poll on how many users upgraded from xbox 365 to one and then the X. Part of Microsoft's downfall was thinking that the Wii was the market they had to be in when really it was the core market. If you get the core gamers you then get the market to. As I posted a few minuets ago on another post Microsoft putting exclusives on PS this gen could bold well if they hit next gen with all our games are staying exclusive from this new gen. They will then get gamers wanting Halo, Forza Gears but this is also where Microsoft fell over with the xbox one and X in terms of they did not have may quality 1st party games affter they fell into the Gears, Forza and Halo cycle. If they can get some old IPs back to bring back the old core gamers as well as fresh ips to bring in new gamers things could improve next gen. But as I said in my last post its all if buts and maybes at the moment. No one knows if the next home consoles will be to expensive that people move to pc as we are now seeing or look at the stem deck as a cheepier alternitive.

DarXyde31d ago

"Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box."

That's very optimistic. It's not the only issue, far from it. There is a serious rupture between Microsoft generally and the public caused by their weird Game Pass price fluctuations, taking down physical game space in stores, and being the first to go nuts on hardware price hikes that they themselves played a big part in.

They're also charging beyond a premium for Helix which is just vile at a time when the economy is in shambles.

The company itself is really not doing itself any favors with the approach they're taking Windows. Even France is looking to ditch Windows in favor of Linux.

But the most offensive thing is this AI push. They're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the very technology they're using to replace a considerable proportion of their workforce... And the slap in the face is how they bake copilot into everything when nobody likes it—they couldn't even make Bing stick, so why on earth are they trying so hard? You know it's bad when people would rather use ChatGPT than Copilot which is killing their OS. But aside from their snatching up of farmland to build data centers (and reduce the agriculture capacity of whichever country allows them to build them), they made an AI-generated gamer gurl that loves AI the head of Xbox.

Even if we grant them the full benefit of the doubt, it hardly matters what Xbox wants to do if Nadella says no, and that includes exclusive games. Microsoft's relationship with Xbox is the opposite of Sony's relationship with PlayStation—Microsoft pulls the reins of Xbox, but Sony damn near went under for the PS3.

Tanktopmaster9231d ago (Edited 31d ago )

“If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it.”

Great strategy, especially after Forza selling 5 million on PlayStation and sea of thieves selling at least another million (2 million) for example. In March 2026, Xbox consoles sales ratio vs PS was 10:1.

In addition to that, with Gamepass, which unequivocally cuts out chunks of sales (Cannibalizing revenue from 1st month sales especially).

I’m sure going exclusive again after releasing everything on Ps5 is going to work out great for business.

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maximusprime_32d ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted32d ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania32d ago (Edited 32d ago )

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

S2Killinit31d ago

Sony PlayStation has deservedly dominated xbox. Facts

Tanktopmaster9231d ago (Edited 31d ago )

Ok tween.

Xbox series SX got outsold 10:1 last month. lol.

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shadowT32d ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers32d ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz14932d ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

ocelot0731d ago

Agreed and I think that's where they are going to focus on more. I think cheaper games on Windows/Xbox store (MS IP) compared to Steam and Epic and maybe even compared to PSN store as well.

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