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Scorpio made simple: the next Xbox's tech explained

Eurogamer: "We went to Microsoft for an exclusive deep dive on the tech behind the next Xbox, Project Scorpio. But what does it all mean in layman's terms?"

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Kingthrash3603318d ago

Showed 1 game. An old game. An old racing game.
I woke up for this....
Good news tho...it may just be 499.99 tho.
No vega, or ryzen.

Nitrowolf23318d ago (Edited 3318d ago )

Yeah looking at the specs I'm betting it'll be close to that range

They aren't as monstrous as I thought it would be obviously it's a huge increase from the base model of the Xbox One but comparing it to the pro it's obviously a boost but it seems more like the gap between Pro and PS4 Bass

No doubt this is going to run everything a lot better than Pro but the specs aren't as monstrous as many were hoping. It seems for the most part the CPU stayed around the same, which could serve as a bottleneck like it is on the pro.

I guess Microsoft was serious when they said it's not next gen, which is great news honestly.

-Foxtrot3318d ago

Thought they'd least show 3 games

1 Old Game - Forza
1 Upcoming Game
1 Future Game (announced now)

Chris123318d ago

As you know, E3 is for the games. Forza 6 was a tech demo running at 4K, 60FPS with full 4K assets and still lots of overhead. Sensible tech upgrade that delivers the promise in all areas and should now be a sensible price. Has to be a win win.

bouzebbal3318d ago

http://wccftech.com/scorpio...

any words on this?
Disappointing, once more!
fanboys were expecting crackdown and i dont know what.. well i'm sure this reveal is in fact what they have been expecting, right?

obidanshinobi3318d ago

"An old game. An old racing game."

Forza 7 is so old it's not even been released yet.

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Kingthrash3603318d ago (Edited 3318d ago )

I am pissy....not over specs....over the games they didn't show.
I already knew it would be powerful I just wanted games....not a second spec reveal.
We all knew forza was gunna be shown and running 4k 60, I thought they'd show at least 3 different games....people were saying things like "big surprises" but if anything it was just talk about a custom jaguar chip....smdh

Paytaa3318d ago

They only ever said a spec reveal. You had false expectations.

98xpresent3318d ago

Yeah they made it pretty clear that it was only going to be a spec reveal.

LexHazard793318d ago (Edited 3318d ago )

They showed Forza 6 running on Xbox Scorpio doing 4K/60 using only 60% of the power! That pretty good, that one pic at the start line looked Beast

Edit: some of yous PS guys were expecting all these games. When MS said thats for E3. Plus why waste a good game reveal just for spec analysis. They didnt even hold a proper event like the PS4 Pro which it made sense for Sony to show way more things. E3 is not that far off.

98xpresent3318d ago

And from a hardware standpoint it's very impressive for a console

freshslicepizza3318d ago (Edited 3318d ago )

it is not even microsoft's event, it was digital foundry being invited and they are known to have deep analysis of hardware which is why they were chosen. why would they show games running on it this early? that is what e3 is for but of course we have the regular critics who will never be pleased no matter what microsoft offered.

the good news is it looks like the xbox one library will be getting 4k upgrades, which is a hell of a lot better than the way sony handled their pro system which took their engineers months to allow the system to be unlocked for older titles. mark cerny is also off the mark about what it takes to get to 4k, he suggested it would require at least 8tflops.

it is the gpu clock speed that is very impressive and the way the engineers have been able to custom cool the system. it is also running memory bandwidth at 326 compared to the ps4 pro of 218. quite a large jump and why the tflop number isn't the only part of importance.

what is most impressive is how the cpu is being handled,

"It's a massive win for us and for the developers who've adopted D3D12 on Xbox, they've told us they've been able to cut their CPU rendering overhead by half, which is pretty amazing because now the driver portion of that is such a tiny fraction," adds Goossen."

i don't expect this to be over $499, they might be able to hit the $399 price point after all or maybe $449.

NewMonday3318d ago

underwhelming, repeat of the same information we already know

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ShadowKnight3318d ago

@Moldybread
It will be $499 just live with it

nix3318d ago

dude... barely anything. no matter what they say, it's still nothing but a more powerful xbox. i thought they'll show everything. like how it looks, the interface. nothing. nothing at all.

another let down of a show. everyone got hyped for this reveal for nothing.

threefootwang3318d ago

Sorry, but if they went out of there way to make a machine solely dedicated to core gamers then it's pretty obvious some insane exclusives are also on the way. Everything MS has said about the Scorpio so far has been true, which for MS is pretty damn good for a change.

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Sevir3318d ago

The specs confirm its Polaris, Same tech base used on PS4 Pro, They actually just have 4 more CUs on the GPU and overclocked it moderately...Its an interesting set up and and some really clever work arounds with SoC customization. I really am impressed, So this will likely be a $499.99 console, that will play current XBOX one games, at 4k... I want to see though what these games rendering techniques are though. as 6TF is substantial enough to run 1.3tf based game engines at 4K, while keeping textures moderate.

I was Super skeptical about how MS would pull this off, but it seems like they are on their way to a quality console in terms of power.

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x_xavier_x3317d ago (Edited 3317d ago )

@ nix

"another let down of a show..."

Show? What are you talking about? This was a behind-the-doors meeting with ONE online media outlet. The intent of which was to provide a brief synopsis of the systems capabilities. The initial announcement for this meeting did not mention games, price, interface or the physical characteristics of the console. It wasn't even announced directly from Microsoft!

So, how on Earth can you justify saying that the "reveal" was a letdown?

If you're going to be upset about this then perhaps you should turn your disappointment inward, since you are the one who was ignorant of the facts.

Ju3317d ago

@moldy it's the exact same thing what Sony does. Without patch, it's like boost mode. With it can go to 4k. Of course a bigger delta gets it closer to 4k an 60fps than the Pro, but the concept is exactly the same.

rainslacker3317d ago

I had other stuff to do tonight, and just got home about 4 hours ago, and I can say that I'm a bit disappointed this is all Eurogamer is reporting on in this and the actual reveal article. There isn't much technical info there that wasn't already known, and this particular article reads more like a marketing attempt, rather than some sort of meaningful reveal.

It's nice to know that they hit their 6TF target, and a bit more info on the CPU as well as better GPU specs, but beyond that, everything else of import was already known since last year when MS announced it, and the writer seemed more like a fan boy reporting than an in depth...or even a cursory analysis of the machine itself.

Oh well. looks like MS is delivering on the hardware it said it would. Will wait for E3 for the price and what not.

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Mr-Dude3318d ago (Edited 3318d ago )

Like I said in another tread. Good hardware, a step up from the Pro as expected being a year later...

Jaguar cores are disappointing no matter how MS spins that, but very expected as well if you paid attention to the timeline for Zen products hitting the market... Hope for a €449 max

TheKingKratos3318d ago (Edited 3318d ago )

Meh,i will just buy Switch to go along with my ps4 and pc and ride them to ps5
will not buy Scorpio or pro
pro is very weak upgrade and Scorpio will be held back by it CPU ALOT.
All this money wasted by both Sony and Microsoft (looking at you microsoft) should have gone to games and making next gen consoles ready in the next 3-4years.
Just My opinion though.

aconnellan3318d ago

A year later? You know the Pro only came out like 6 months ago, and DF said in the article the Scorpio is pretty much finished.

Another paragraph in the article states they've been working on the tech and hardware optimisations for years.

It's not like MS looked at the Pro and went "perfect, all we have to do now is slightly better, and that's us done!"

chrisoadamson3318d ago

clearly a lo of people didn't want the digital foundary video at all ! he explained that the cup was running more than 50% the efficiency due to the custom architecture in addition to the higherclock speeds. what previously took the cpu 1000's of computational steps could be done in 11. that's right 11 on scorpio hate all you want this console will be epic

Bruh3318d ago

HAHAH clueless

Its FAR more efficient than the Pro. The Pro is literally in every sense of the word a brute force upgrade. More GPU power, higher clocked CPU and more RAM speed. The Scorpio is a design upgrade in every way, you have a customized newer version of the Jaguar chip ( focused on reducing instruction count ), the GPU is efficient in design not just cramming in more CUs, but boosting clock rate to pour more of out the GPU, memory is vastly upgraded and its also improved the dedicated audio processor already in the Xbox One.

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Overload3318d ago

Meh.

Makes sense now why DF was doing the reveal. The difference has to be told, not shown.

Chris123318d ago

Showing comes later, this was a tech deep dive. Even you can't spin it into something else.

Kribwalker3318d ago

As MS stated multiple times, the games will be shown at E3, so you have lots of time to come up with other reasons to be disappointed

christocolus3318d ago

@Auto

Same here bro, day one,

Saithraphim3318d ago

The numbers speak for themselves, this will be great. Personally i want to see the next Halo on this.

XanderZane3317d ago

They even gave Rich the main processor chip. Who does that? Compared to the PS4 Pro the Scorpio is going to be a couple steps up from it.

@Kingthrash360
Go and watch the reveal again. Seems you missed a LOT of impressive things. The games will be shown at the E3. Everyone seems to know this, but you for some reason. Once all the games are shown, what will you have to complain about then? I'm sure you'll find something.

ProBear19833317d ago

No ryzen, no vega, it's basically a PS4 Pro with overclocked frequencies.

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HollowKnight3318d ago

When Is the reveal? Any Live stream for It?

darthv723318d ago

I watched DF on youtube

LexHazard793318d ago

It was a like 15 min vid on youtube, lol.

Heres the link https://youtu.be/RE2hNrq1Zx...

SojournUK3317d ago

The dude from digital foundry should have worn a less headache inducing shirt for the camera.

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corroios3318d ago (Edited 3318d ago )

Sorry, just need to read about the CPU. If this is true.... its last gen. The bottleneck is there. They put more ram and a more powerfull GPU, but the problem with this consoles was always the CPU....

Racing games are worst to show the power of a console, because everybody knows they are the less demanding.

Open worlds are the true test!!!!

Death3318d ago

Can you give us an example of CPU's bottlenecking systems? I've always been under the impression board speed and RAM are much bigger factors than CPU speed.

corroios3318d ago (Edited 3318d ago )

Dude, even he talks about the CPU. Did you see the vídeo from DF. CPU was always the main problem. Its the same jaguar overclocked. Like the pro.

Lets see if the DX12 help is just another secret sauce or not

super_bruno3318d ago

People are too focused on the CPU, yes it is Jaguar but they've made massive improvements in other areas which help improve overall performance

Kleptic3318d ago

^yeah. Jaguar cores were underpowered at release, let alone now...

the cpu 'drives' the gpu...the gpu does all kinds of 'layering' of texture data and image quality related things, but the cpu has to give it a blue print of what to draw over...geometry, physics, light sources, etc...those are all usually cpu intensive tasks...it's true that anything can be a bottleneck, the bottleneck is simply the weakest part of the system...in this case, the cpu is much lower than the new memory bandwidth, and new gpu...

while 4k itself is overall a gpu burden, a marginally faster but still under powered cpu now has to drive a significantly more powerful gpu...wasn't as much of an issue with the xbox one, as the gpu was weak also...the system was actually pretty balanced from a bottleneck perspective...interested to see what happens here, though...as that gpu will be sitting around waiting for the cpu to tell it what to do...pretty often, i'd suspect...

LexHazard793318d ago

@corrios, he never said there was a bottleneck. And I just watched the video again..

Death3318d ago

You may want to educate yourself on the CPU's impact on overall performance. You may also want to keep in mind the Xbox One and PS4 don't have a traditional CPU and GPU, they use an APU which shares resources and has less of a path to travel than conventional PC's due which is a potential source for bottle necking. One of the advantages the PS4 has is it's ability to offload CPU work to it's stronger GPU. This is one of the pro's of using an APU. From the reports we are seeing, the CPU isn't underpowered and the system is capable of hitting it's target numbers.

4Sh0w3318d ago (Edited 3318d ago )

So just as they said its NOT a next gen console BUT at the end of the day it's a more significant upgrade over the X1 and ps4 than the ps4pro was...albeit 1 yr later. I mean I havent heard much this entire gen about the CPU being a major problem which affected performance, so I never thought a non traditional mid gen console would have a next gen CPU= What it is, is now the BEST CPU in a console, PLUS much, much better GPU, Memory, Banwidth and overall specs. I really like the nuances they added like the state of the art vapour chamber cooling system. As a Xbox fan Im pretty excited, I have 2 4K TVs now but didnt buy the X1 S or ps4pro so I think Scorpio is going to be well worth the wait for me.

"The new x86 cores in Scorpio are 31 per cent faster than Xbox One's, with extensive customisation to reduce latency in order to keep the processor occupied more fully, while CPU/GPU coherency also gets a performance uplift. There's significant hardware offloading too"

"It's a massive win for us and for the developers who've adopted D3D12 on Xbox, they've told us they've been able to cut their CPU rendering overhead by half, which is pretty amazing because now the driver portion of that is such a tiny fraction," adds Goossen."

"Smashed it. At the same graphics quality settings as Xbox One, the demo ran at a full 4K resolution, at a perfect 60 frames per second. For Xbox One to do this at a standard HD resolution of 1080p uses about 90 per cent of that console's power. Scorpio was only using 60-70 per cent of its resources to run this demo. The graphics settings were then ramped up to the equivalent of the ultra settings on the PC game Forza Motorsport Apex, and Scorpio still didn't break a sweat." -Eurogamer

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seanpitt233318d ago (Edited 3318d ago )

They probably didn't want to use the jaguar cpu but I bet they had no option but to use it due to the compatibility with the xbox one and to keep the costs down, but it will definitely be a bottleneck neck you can customise a jaguar cpu as much as you want and the end of the day it's still a low end tablet cpu.

It's a shame because all the other specs are great.

They have gone all out with the cooling system aswell which looks to very expensive this is a $500+ console

tyasia03318d ago (Edited 3318d ago )

Honestly it's really not that impressive... 4 more compute units that are only 250 mhz faster than the pro...

This is certainly not "the beast" they talked about.

Liqu1d3318d ago

So what's going to happen with the Xbox after Scorpio? More jaguar to ensure compatibility?

mark_parch3318d ago

9 months ago people wee saying native 4k was impossible and now its basically been confirmed people are saying it's not impressive lmfao.

rainslacker3317d ago

so long as it's x86, it'll have the instructions and mapping that it needs to run older x86 code. x86 always builds upon prior generations. Even 40 years later, it uses the same instructions that it had with the very first 8086 processor. It just adds more over time.

Processors now are all pretty much the same as when the i5/7 released. They have just become more efficient, and newer ones have some more things in them that allow for more instructions to be processed at one time.

I'd imagine the reason to stick with Jaguar is purely for achieving a price. There is absolutely no reason to go super high end on the CPU with today's games, because most of the stuff added into newer processors is not used in games in any way. It'd go to waste, and just be throwing money away.

Consoles aren't general purpose machines, so they don't need a lot of the fancy tech that resides in the newest CPU's.

The only thing that would be a concern would be the bus that the jaguar uses, which can't access as much information per cycle as the newer chips. However, the chip itself can handle the memory that MS choose to use in the system with room to spare, so it's not likely to be a concern here.

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Chris123318d ago

Corroios, why don't you talk about the improvements with the CPU and how instructions are handled. It should answer your apparent concern.

corroios3318d ago

I did, they use some kind of DX12... the ESRam on the One can also reach 200gb bandwitch and was amazing, but how many studios were able to use it???? or try to use it.?

The bottom line is that people when people talk about beast!!!! Were expection somekind of rysen CPU. Something new and not the same tech with improvments and overclocking.

Even the GPU. The mais diference was the overclocking done to 1172, because the compute are almost the same.

Wikkid6663318d ago

You mean how it's a custom chip set.... that has DX12 built right in to it so it only takes 11 compute units vs 1000s. The key here isn't the straight hardware numbers. It's how they fully utilized every bit of each component.

OMGitzThatGuy3318d ago

They literally say putting DX12 in the metal cuts usage by 50% theoretically doubling CPU performance but HURRDURR JAGUAR DURR.

LexHazard793318d ago

Lol so does that make PS4 Pro last gen too? I mean its almost 45% more powerful with way better customizations to its hardware.

corroios3318d ago

You understand that the Scorpio will come out one year after the Pro that cost 399.

The 45% more powerfull is on paper. Its a good «weapon» for PR use and marketing.

Chris123318d ago

Corroios, you really are trying too hard. First it was 'only 45%' when announced, now 45% is PR. Then you complain about no games being shown, which was already made clear before today and further, the removal of ES Ram makes this a dream for PC and Xbox developers between platforms whilst boosting the performance in every area. MS delivered what they stated at E3 last year without the need for expensive tech so the constant and hard trolling really is falling a little flat. You do sound a little anxious with all these posts.

XanderZane3317d ago

There won't be any bottleneck with this CPU. It's a customize CPU and it's faster, plus there is a lot more RAM. This will run Forza Horizon 3 (open world) at 4K 60fps as well. Wait and see. If they can get Battlefield 1 or Battlefront 2 at 4K @60fps, the ballgame is over. Will never need a PC for open world gaming.

rainslacker3317d ago (Edited 3317d ago )

The CPU is fine. It's probably overkill for modern games, but there are things that it can be used for to improve some aspects of the game, and being in a closed system with low level access means that it's going to be more efficient than in a PC. It's wasn't stated if all the cores would be available to devs though, so the 8 cores may only end up being 7 or 6.

Anyhow, even come next gen, I wouldn't expect the CPU's to become much more than we see this gen. Possibly more efficient, and a bit faster, but likely still the same number of cores, still using the same architecture. CPU's haven't changed that much since the i5/7 released in terms of available processes.

Bottlenecking will happen between memory and the GPU/CPU, and an APU set up isn't likely to have much bottleneck between the CPU and GPU. The memory is about as good as it can get for a system right now without driving up the price substantially, and with the set up of having DMA with independent access to memory, it's going to be fine. Having more memory is also an advantage, even if way too much is still allocated to the OS, because quite honestly, I think consoles should be slimming down their OS to give more memory to the devs....but that's another subject all together.

@Kleptic

The CPU is a bottleneck when it can't keep up with the game loop. Typically, most of those things you mention aren't in the game loop, they're in the render loop. While you are correct, the CPU drives the GPU, it's not typically in the way you're saying. The CPU will update an objects position, as well as run through all the other variables in the scene, and handle all the other stuff it has to, then send that to the GPU, but then the GPU takes over and renders the frame. It can calculate where textures go, and how those objects should be drawn based on the information the CPU gives it. For the most part, the variables that the CPU works through and sends to the GPU, tends to be less intensive than most of the other things in the game loop.

However, in many cases, some of those more intensive things require processing before it can determine the GPU variable stuff....in which case, a slow CPU can indeed introduce a bottleneck. nowadays though, a GPU frame render doesn't always require the game loop to complete before it starts the frame buffer. in such instances, if the CPU can't catch up rather quickly(say one or two render loops) then you'll start to see stuttering or weird effects, and it can cause frame rate drops in games which lock the render loop to the game loop.

jerethdagryphon3317d ago

Im more worried about the heat thats a lot for the fan. To handle i think it will run quite hot

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KingKionic 3318d ago

So they got a custom cpu and a custom gpu.

It runs games at 4K with room to spare for ultra textures.

Digital foundry are very impressed.

"Scorpio will run absolutely all Xbox One games better, whether they get patched with 4K/Scorpio enhanced modes or not. Rather than running on an emulated Xbox One, they'll run with the full power of Scorpio unlocked, which in most cases should mean: more stable frame rates that hit their target more often; no screen tearing; maximum possible resolution at all times; nicer-looking textures; and faster load times, thanks to the improved hard drive and the spare 3GB of fast RAM."

Kingthrash3603318d ago

It's runs forza at 4k 60 with extra room,
I need to see a more demanding game.
But it looks good

KingKionic 3318d ago

Forzatech engine running in 4K with 4k assets with a 66 percent gpu utilization is very impressive you gotta admit.

This is extremely unexpected.

It seems the bandwidth is really doing work.

I think Microsoft saving the big guns towards the road to E3 and after.

Kingthrash3603318d ago

Yes but it's just a racing game tho....I knew it would be powerful I just thought they'd demonstrate that power.
A racing game is the worst kind of game to show power off. Also it was a still...none of the car were moving and he said it dropped when it was in play. That's the key here. We can't take a number when sitting still we gotta take the action number...it was still high in action but 15% lower. That's with a racing game....when a demanding game like gta V runs on it with all types of stuff going on will be a true test.
Plus the boosted jaguar chip will only give ot bottle necks....
I like it overall...they customized alot and got results, it isn't that much of a beast, like it was said to be for almost a year now.

KingKionic 3318d ago

"ForzaTech to the equivalent of PC's ultra-level settings" - Digital Foundry

RegorL3318d ago

So it only uses 66.19% of GPU and 65.8% of Memory - great figures to show!

But what figures that are usually shown in a picture like this is not shown???

Think about it...

CPU utilization so what about that?

Re: DX12 in HW... what? What kind of low level API needs HW support to perform? I am confused...

JasonKCK3317d ago (Edited 3317d ago )

Reads Kingthrash360 comments... sips coffee... smiles :-)

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butchertroll3318d ago (Edited 3318d ago )

It's customized Jaguar. And GPU is also based on Polaris, only more enhancements. A year later.

DF mentioned that in video that CPU is based on Jaguar.

http://i.imgur.com/Pan9fsG....

Mystogan3318d ago

"Only more enhancements"
"Only"
Lol

These enhancements allow it to run games at 4K 60fps at Ultra level settings. (Something which the PS4 Pro simply can't.)

tyasia03318d ago (Edited 3318d ago )

Digital Foundry after getting the exclusive interview is hardly going to be unbiased. As if Microsoft was going to give it to anyone who was going to be critical...

And just look at the numbers... it's barely more powerful than the Pro...

200mhz faster CPU only 4 more compute units and only 250 mhz faster gpu... It's not "The Beast" they made it out to be in any stretch.

I'm really skeptical that the 6TF claim is even true at this point.

aconnellan3318d ago

Among other things, I guess you missed the extra 4GB of RAM and the extra 108GB/s bandwidth speed it has over the Pro?

And straight from the article:

"Combining smart design with sheer horsepower, Project Scorpio hits the six-teraflop target set for it as E3 last year, thanks to a custom GPU that has been designed from the ground up for optimal performance on today's game engines - and that runs at an unprecedentedly high clock speed for a console"

How can you be skeptical of it when they outright stated it?

KingKionic 3318d ago

The system also uses 12 gigs of ram and its bandwidth 326GB/s paired with a 6 teraflop gpu.

Thats a 43 percent COMPUTE advantage.

Its Forza at 4K with ultra textures at 60 fps.

Ps4 pro is not doing that at all.

OMGitzThatGuy3318d ago

Half CPU usage didn't get through to you idiots lol.

Kribwalker3318d ago (Edited 3318d ago )

the shear power advantage of the Scorpio means $niper will be able to enjoy the best multiplatform games this gen as well, $niper feels like MS will show that their investment in making the Scorpio the most powerful console ever will not be limited to just hardware but rather $niper feels that Ms will show a greater investment in exclusives to play on $nipers beast of a machine, the Scorpio. $niper feels the future is looking bright for Ms and their fans

$niper

fathertime44643318d ago

Well if you can't believe the Scorpio can do 6 teraflops when its been confirmed by a third party now, how can you possibly believe the pro can do 4?

gangsta_red3318d ago (Edited 3318d ago )

Well, there you have it guys. Now we can't trust DF even after years of us waiting patiently for the comparisons of other past games.

Damn MS !!!

christocolus3317d ago (Edited 3317d ago )

Now Ms has shown Scorpio to be the powerhouse they promised and suddenly DF is biased?.it's shameful the lengths some of you will go to down play an amazing piece of hardware cos it is made by MS. Hahahahaha. Wow. Why don't you go read up stuff instead of closing your eyes an covering your ears. I'll help you. Go through the threads below to educate yourself better on all things Scorpio.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthr...

http://m.neogaf.com/showthr...

http://m.neogaf.com/showthr...

https://mobile.twitter.com/...

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Kiwi663317d ago (Edited 3317d ago )

So when DF praised PS does that mean they can't be trusted or are you just making excuses because your console preference isn't xbox

Raiden3317d ago

I've come to a realization that many people on her have a great career ahead of them especially in the environment that requires a spin doctor, no matter what is said or proven they will always find a way to spin the negativity, from the very beginning you have all relied on DF for you extra flue to flame your other fanboy with and when they say something you don't like you spin it, sorry but grow up take the sweet with the bitter, MS has done a great job on this, it will keep the cost down, it will be more expensive than the Pro for sure, so what if it is, if you want it you should've been saving for it, they give you a year to save.

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Vames3318d ago

Did you understand the video at all? CPU usage will be cut in half on DX12 titles, as DX12 is 'baked in' to the chip.

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Bigpappy3318d ago

Yeah. So that's out of the way. Lets see some game run on the beast next. Looks like $499 is the price. Better for my wallet than expected.

mark_parch3318d ago

yeah funny how not that long ago people said it would have to be $700 + to get native 4k.

hiawa233318d ago

I paid $499 for the launch model, $399 for the 1S, so I am fine with $499. Xbox4life

BarneyS3318d ago

I'm sure MS is really happy with consumers like you. Did you hear about the Xbox turd? Only $499 and it's yours, personally signed by Phil Spencer himself!! /s

hiawa233318d ago (Edited 3318d ago )

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vallencer3318d ago

I will buy it too after buying the launch and slim. I didn't spend a penny on them though. Worked at GS when they came out and just traded a bunch of crap in. This one though I'll be buying out of pocket it seems. I'm ok with that.

BiggerBoss3318d ago

Damn, Microsoft are really milking you like a cow arent they?

XanderZane3317d ago

I'm fine with $500 as well. It's actually more worth the price then the OG XB1 w/Kinect. Now I need to get me a 4K HDTV with HDR. Finding the right 4K TV is going to take a lot of research.

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Square Enix launches Final Fantasy X 25th anniversary site, revealing new Nomura art, books, music releases, and merchandise.

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-Foxtrot8d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle8d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk778d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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Star Wars: Bounty Hunter Let Jango Fett Loose

LucasArts gave Jango Fett his own game in 2002, and it pulled Star Wars into a much dirtier, rougher, and more interesting corner of the galaxy.

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Relientk7713d ago

I remember playing this back in the day on PS2. What a sick game!

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We Are Xbox

Dear team,

Xbox has always been different.

We started with a simple idea. Games should bring people together through shared experiences. That led to the first Xbox in 2001, Xbox Live in 2002, and new ways to connect, from friends lists and achievements to parties and play across devices. Today, Xbox reaches over 500 million players around the world, with some of the most important franchises in entertainment.

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Outside_ofthe_Box14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster300014d ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv7213d ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

S2Killinit13d ago

The fans didn’t tell them to go multilat. MS was forced to after the 82 billion they spent to destroy gaming. Then, while xbox fans cheered, MS realized they can’t justify the price tag by selling through xbox only, so they went multiplat and in the process began to downplay console gaming.

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CrashMania14d ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

S2Killinit13d ago

They will do what they always do, they will promise the world at the beginning of next GEN and then failed to deliver all generation long. But there will always be some gamers who will buy into their promises.

ocelot0713d ago

Absolutely agree, Do people genuinely believe Microsoft are now going to go. Hang on how's about we go back to 2020. Then GP was stagnating, Games sold where awful because of GP. Outsold by Playstation by a landslide.

They have sold 5m of Forza I believe on PS5. Spite it being a old game. I think Starfield is going to sell well in the end. Halo is deffinetly going to sell well as is Fable and Forza Horizon 6.

I think at best (for Xbox fans). Single player titles like Clockwork will have a timed exclusivity. Multiplayer centric games like Forza, E Day will release day and date on all platforms.

Or all games will release on all platforms day and date. But maybe Xbox and Windows Store copies will have exclusive bonuses. Or may even get timed exclusive dlc like Fallout and Elder Scrolls and COD use to do.

I think they will treat Xbox players like the premium customers or at least act the way. But will serve just the Playstation and Switch 2 customers as well.

Neonridr13d ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box13d ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Neonridr13d ago

@Outside - possibly, but it might push people to want Xbox hardware so they can play with their buddies day one.

Who knows.

S2Killinit13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

it would but remember doing that can splinter the COD fan base and in the process damage the call of duty brand which is probably the only franchise in that $82 billion purchase that in anyway gets even close to delivering what Microsoft thought they bought. If Microsoft fudges around too much with the COD franchise, you might even see a competitor franchise show up on the scene and that would be a catastrophe after the huge debt that Microsoft put itself into with the ABK purchase.

But Its almost guaranteed that Microsoft will want to do something drastic at the beginning of the next generation as they always do. We will see.

Pyrofire9513d ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv7213d ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

S2Killinit13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

A lot of their base left for greener (bluer?) pastures.

--Onilink--13d ago

What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

Outside_ofthe_Box13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

I agree. I mean once they went multiplat, in theory there should be no going back especially when you have games that have sold really well on other platforms.

Microsoft are the ones that announced that they are reevaluating. So I'm just guessing on what their end goal is. Right now Xbox as a hardware is not a must buy for anyone but fans of the brand because their games can be played elsewhere. Going exclusive would solve this, but you lose out on a ton of money instantly which has always been what the company does not want to do so not really sure what their "reevaluating exclusives" means unless they are pulling a Phil Spencer and are just saying what people want to hear and will continue to do what they are currently doing.

darthv7213d ago

Their ports to PS5 are selling because Sony's output has been so dry... the fans are thirsty, and MS is the oasis.

SIdepocket13d ago

Unfortunately, the studios they buy wither under their leadership.

mcstorm13d ago

Microsoft still has a name with Xbox the issue is the casual games are not looking at the console because its not the same console their friends have. Look at that poll on how many users upgraded from xbox 365 to one and then the X. Part of Microsoft's downfall was thinking that the Wii was the market they had to be in when really it was the core market. If you get the core gamers you then get the market to. As I posted a few minuets ago on another post Microsoft putting exclusives on PS this gen could bold well if they hit next gen with all our games are staying exclusive from this new gen. They will then get gamers wanting Halo, Forza Gears but this is also where Microsoft fell over with the xbox one and X in terms of they did not have may quality 1st party games affter they fell into the Gears, Forza and Halo cycle. If they can get some old IPs back to bring back the old core gamers as well as fresh ips to bring in new gamers things could improve next gen. But as I said in my last post its all if buts and maybes at the moment. No one knows if the next home consoles will be to expensive that people move to pc as we are now seeing or look at the stem deck as a cheepier alternitive.

DarXyde13d ago

"Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box."

That's very optimistic. It's not the only issue, far from it. There is a serious rupture between Microsoft generally and the public caused by their weird Game Pass price fluctuations, taking down physical game space in stores, and being the first to go nuts on hardware price hikes that they themselves played a big part in.

They're also charging beyond a premium for Helix which is just vile at a time when the economy is in shambles.

The company itself is really not doing itself any favors with the approach they're taking Windows. Even France is looking to ditch Windows in favor of Linux.

But the most offensive thing is this AI push. They're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the very technology they're using to replace a considerable proportion of their workforce... And the slap in the face is how they bake copilot into everything when nobody likes it—they couldn't even make Bing stick, so why on earth are they trying so hard? You know it's bad when people would rather use ChatGPT than Copilot which is killing their OS. But aside from their snatching up of farmland to build data centers (and reduce the agriculture capacity of whichever country allows them to build them), they made an AI-generated gamer gurl that loves AI the head of Xbox.

Even if we grant them the full benefit of the doubt, it hardly matters what Xbox wants to do if Nadella says no, and that includes exclusive games. Microsoft's relationship with Xbox is the opposite of Sony's relationship with PlayStation—Microsoft pulls the reins of Xbox, but Sony damn near went under for the PS3.

Tanktopmaster9213d ago (Edited 13d ago )

“If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it.”

Great strategy, especially after Forza selling 5 million on PlayStation and sea of thieves selling at least another million (2 million) for example. In March 2026, Xbox consoles sales ratio vs PS was 10:1.

In addition to that, with Gamepass, which unequivocally cuts out chunks of sales (Cannibalizing revenue from 1st month sales especially).

I’m sure going exclusive again after releasing everything on Ps5 is going to work out great for business.

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maximusprime_14d ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted13d ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

S2Killinit13d ago

Sony PlayStation has deservedly dominated xbox. Facts

Tanktopmaster9213d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Ok tween.

Xbox series SX got outsold 10:1 last month. lol.

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shadowT14d ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers14d ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz14913d ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

ocelot0713d ago

Agreed and I think that's where they are going to focus on more. I think cheaper games on Windows/Xbox store (MS IP) compared to Steam and Epic and maybe even compared to PSN store as well.

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