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Inside the next Xbox: Project Scorpio tech revealed

Digital Foundry has the specs, has seen it running, and has talked to the people who built it.

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darthv723323d ago

Man... this is gonna be good

Deep-throat3323d ago

The Scorpion could mark the beginning of a great new dawn for XBOX.

naruga3323d ago (Edited 3323d ago )

hmm not smthing spectacular though....

Kribwalker3323d ago

@naruga
"Microsoft's Scorpio engine enjoys spec domination over PS4 Pro in all areas - "

Yep, just a typical system smh

bouzebbal3323d ago

i think they should have used all the R&D and marketing costs to create a few exclusives for x1, and improved X1S a little more to run 1080p for every game.
this is not good, a console really lacking games getting a power and price upgrade? i wonder if this is a good solution.
e3 will be hardware driven then and a few 3rd party games here and there.. classic!!

ABizzel13323d ago

The Scropio will likely be a +$500 console, due to the customized hardware and more importantly due to the required higher cooling expense to keep the system cool from the high clocks.

Overall Scorpio will be a great piece of hardware.

XanderZane3323d ago

Quote, "It's hitting 4K @ 60fps effortlessly. Now take a look at the GPU utilization at the top there. It's using 66..19% of the GPU. This is a straight XB1 port"

It's a MONSTER!!! Turn 10 said it took 2 days to port and were completely shocked at what they saw.
The DF guy is completely blown away with how they customized the hardware. Now I understand why they had him do the reveal. The hardware is so complex that they really needed an expect to break everything down and he did an excellent job at that. It's amazing that they did all of this still using the Jaguar CPU that's customized.

christocolus3323d ago (Edited 3323d ago )

Amazing........ DX12 is now built into the hardware also porting and updating games is extremely easy. freesync will be enabled and supersampling... That is forza 6 running native 4k60fps on ultra settings with much more room to spare. MS did an amazing job with this thing... https://pbs.twimg.com/media...

some interesting quotes below

"what we have is a more modest evolution of the Xbox One unit. But the GPU is a beast. It's very, very fast."....Eurogamer

"Microsoft has made a commitment that (unlike PS4 Pro) all improved Scorpio modes for games must be available regardless of the display that's connected. So even with a regular 1080p TV, you'll be able to choose between performance modes that make the game run better, or resolution modes that will then "supersample" the 4K image down to your 1080p display, which should give you superb image quality - basically, a fantastically smooth and pretty picture. It's like having the ultimate anti-aliasing solution..... Eurogamer

More below..talking about performance

"smashed it. At the same graphics quality settings as Xbox One, the demo ran at a full 4K resolution, at a perfect 60 frames per second. For Xbox One to do this at a standard HD resolution of 1080p uses about 90 per cent of that console's power. Scorpio was only using 60-70 per cent of its resources to run this demo. The graphics settings were then ramped up to the equivalent of the ultra settings on the PC game Forza Motorsport Apex, and Scorpio still didn't break a sweat.

So that means...

Scorpio potentially has enough power not just to run Xbox One games at 4K resolution at the same frame rate - it's got power to spare on improving their looks further, with higher quality graphics settings, smoother frame rates, and more."..................E urogamer

Day One...... :)

S2Killinit3323d ago

I actually expected a lot more.

andrewsquall3323d ago

@XanderZane Since when exactly is Forza of all things a technical showcase this gen lol? https://giant.gfycat.com/Di...

Where were all the people this past 2 days begging for them to show Xbone Forza running at 4K 60fps at this event? What happened to all the speculation it would be "definitely" Crackdown 3 or a brand new IP???

Now, aside from the Phantom Dust port lol, THIS is your new go to game, essentially a biannual sports game too.

TheCommentator3323d ago (Edited 3323d ago )

Christocolus, Don't forget that they have enough power to get 900p games to run Native 4K too, and that MS "overdelivered" on ALL it's promises. Off topic, but MS is promising to focus on games too so maybe this time they mean it! Anyways, it's freaking ridiculous that they customized nearly every part of the machine, more than 60 components, yet based it off the XB1 hardware so well that Turn 10 got Forza 6 running in 4K with 4K assets in just 2 days.

Aenea, I'm not calling you out to be mean, but in the other thread yesterday about the 4K patched exclusives, you asked where the patents were if MS did all kinds of customization to the HW? Honestly, I can't answer that. I doubt that a company makes this many changes to things though without patenting them. These HW innovations increase the efficiency of Scorpio tremendously. Seems like the insider and their rumors about efficiency were quite possibly right, and that Scorpio is in fact 60% more efficient because of the innovations MS brought to it's HW. I do remember before last E3, rumors of 10tf performance getting thrown around, and 6tf x 1.6 = 9.6tf actual compute, but who knows excatly how much more efficient they made the Scorpio.

Someone care to do the math on getting a 900p, 1.3tf game up to native 4K? I'll bet it takes more than 6tf...

AngelicIceDiamond3323d ago

This clearly shows the S and most certainly the original X1 will get left in the dust compared to the Scorpion version. Games running at 4k OVER 60 frames in Forza is beyond ridiculous. I'm almost afraid to see vanilla X1 versions of future titles and exclusives.

frostypants3323d ago (Edited 3323d ago )

@Kribwalker, the Pro's equivalent competition is the One S (and the Pro mops the floor with it). Sony has not unveiled what would be their answer to Scorpio...if they even care to bother.

XanderZane3323d ago

@andrewsquall
It's obviously just the tip of the iceberg. Maybe when they show Battlefield 1, Titanfall 2 or Battlefront 2 running at 4K 60fps that will impress you a bit more. I would love to see some of these demos games ported over to the Scorpio next.

Kribwalker3322d ago (Edited 3322d ago )

@andrewsquall

I'd say when it was being compared to GTsport
https://s13.postimg.org/cag...

NatFanBoyRestricted3322d ago

But but but but but MS is pulling out of the console market

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98xpresent3323d ago (Edited 3323d ago )

Naruga
It was running forza whatever at 4K/60 using only 66 % competing power. Idk about you but that's really impressive to me

mark_parch3323d ago

with full 4k assets / ultra setting as well. that's fucking impressive

lxeasy3323d ago

For a console there's no denying these specs are Beast!

andrewsquall3323d ago

It can run a Forza game that looks something like this at 4K (well the 3rd Forza game released on Xbone so far anyway)? https://giant.gfycat.com/Di...
Incredible lol

mark_parch3323d ago

DragonDDark
direct quote "The graphics settings were then ramped up to the equivalent of the ultra settings on the PC "

yeahokwhatever3323d ago

@mark_parch
there's no such thing as "4k assets". Assets are the models, sound, textures, etc. in a game. 4K is the display resolution. They aren't linked or related. What is 4k sound? What is a 4k model?

TheCommentator3323d ago (Edited 3323d ago )

Yeah Ok...

I think you should take a step back and watch the video. It mentions 4K Assets specifically. There is such a thing as 4K assets. Wasn't Fallout's 4K PC texture pack close to 60GB? Aren't textures considered assets?

If we were playing Jeopardy, you would have lost. The correct answer is: What are 4K textures?

fatbastard113323d ago

I'm rooting for it more than anybody but showing off a racing game that runs 1080p/60 fps even on the base Xbox One isn't anything special.We have to wait until E3 to see other titles running on Scorpio.

ProjectVulcan3323d ago (Edited 3323d ago )

Forza 6 4k at 60FPS isn't really that amazing though. 'Xbox One quality settings' is what their article says. I mean you can do that on Forza 6 Apex on PC with a mid range machine. A good quad core and a GTX1060 can do 4K 60FPS on it with those same quality of settings no problem whatsoever these days.

It's going to be fast for a console but really, Microsoft have to focus on the games rather than the hardware now. If they are simply going to offer a butt load of 4K ports and not any more original IPs again the machine is not going to challenge PS4 Pro.

NatFanBoyRestricted3322d ago

But but but 6TF isn't enough to go from 900 to 4k. There are no 1080p games on xbox. But but there are no games on xbox /s

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Greg28013323d ago

Now the real question is, can microsofts first party do something good with al that power. Sony's first party can make amazing games with less power. All that power is great, but we all want amazing games, not just more beautifull and better performing games

wsoutlaw873323d ago

Yeah it sounds pretty awesome. I probably won't get one myself, but they could convince me

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen3323d ago (Edited 3323d ago )

So any guesses on how much this "vapor cooled" console is going to cost? It sure as hell ain't gonna be $399.

darthv723323d ago

$499 is still my guess. I'm good with that.

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen3323d ago (Edited 3323d ago )

@darthv72It's going to be more than $499 dude. It has Vapor cooling. At least be realistic. Come on.

hulk_bash19873323d ago

Will buy if it's within the $500-$600 price range. The scorpio is gonna be a beast of a home console, defintely the most powerful console ever made. Now all they have to do is add some killer app exclusives to their library and the Xbox brand will come back in full force. Once we get more details at E3, I'll have to run out and preorder one. Until then, I'll be busy putting tons of hours into my Persona 5 playthrough.

Soc53322d ago

Is it? I don't know, they are using too much of the systems power just for a resolution boost. I think that's a waste of power. Would you rather play the Witcher 3 the way it is now at 4k or would you rather play it almost looking like CGI or pre downgrade at 1080p. I would take the latter version any day!!!

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zivtheawesome3323d ago

so jaguar confirmed? i guess it will be 399$

butchertroll3323d ago (Edited 3323d ago )

Yes, it's customized Jaguar. A year later. LOL And GPU is also based on Polaris, only more enhancements.

Also DF said this :

"While Digital Foundry has revealed the tech powering the next Xbox, we still don't know the final name of the console, nor do we know how much Microsoft will charge for its mid-generation refresh. But one thing seems clear: Project Scorpio will be more expensive than PS4 Pro.

Ybarra told Leadbetter Project Scorpio is designed for "that premium customer, the gamer that expects the absolute best versions of the games" - so expect it to be priced accordingly"

So, it will be over 400$. This thing will be DOA.

Neonridr3323d ago

Shouldn't it cost more than the Pro does though?

TankCrossing3323d ago

It will cost more than the Pro, but not by any staggering margin. The tech is from the same family, MS have just out-engineered Sony to push it harder.

Kribwalker3323d ago

"Microsoft's Scorpio engine enjoys spec domination over PS4 Pro in all areas - "

""The best case scenario for Microsoft is that its CPU and GPU hardware customisation - derived directly from granular analysis of existing game engines - will produce a gulf in results even wider than those seen frequently seen in Xbox One/PS4 cross-platform releases."

So the gap will most likely be bigger then the PS4 Xbox one gap. No big deal right?

Mystogan3323d ago (Edited 3323d ago )

nice downplaying.

butchertroll3323d ago (Edited 3323d ago )

@Mystogan

Got a problem? What downplay. I just said facts, man.

@TankCrossing
It will cost more than the Pro, but not by any staggering margin. The tech is from the same family, MS have just out-engineered Sony to push it harder.

A year later. It was so obvious. It will cost more than Pro, and also i'm pretty sure Pro will have a price-cut later this year too. So, i expect 100$-150$ with Pro's price-cut.

"USgamer: Any speculation on what this will cost with the specs you've seen?

Leadbetter: Well, it's going to be more expensive than Pro. That much is obvious. The physical size of the chip - pretty much the most expensive single component - is larger, meaning it costs more. The extra four gigs of RAM will add to the cost, as will the UHD Blu-ray drive. The hard drive is pricier, the cooling assembly too. I wasn't told anything about price, but reclaiming performance leadership in the console sector with the ambition Microsoft is showing isn't going to come for free."

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

BLKxSEPTEMBER3323d ago (Edited 3323d ago )

Lol you're a hater. Of coarse it will cost more it's superior to the pro. It's only doa to the people who wasn't going to buy it anyway.

mark_parch3323d ago

if it runs games better than the pro I assume it will cost a little moe

butchertroll3323d ago

@mark_parch

Of course it will. It will come out a year later after Pro launch. It is so obvious.

headblackman3323d ago (Edited 3323d ago )

400 dollars is cool with me. i can afford it with no problem. no disrespect to those who can't but, that's not my issue. 400 would be the sweet spot, but im prepared to go 600 (no higher!). im geeked for e3 2017 :-D

Death3323d ago

@butcher,

Without knowing the price it's hard to judge value/worth. If it's $100 more than the Pro, I see the value based on specs and features. If you don't, that's ok too. I'm not sure why people think the goal is world domination in sales. Premium products typically appeal to a smaller group of people. It simply may not be for you.

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AAWELLS093323d ago

Spin Doctor #122 has clocked in for the day. I expect a full days work from you.

wsoutlaw873323d ago

@tankcrossing your comment was hilarious and foolish

yeahokwhatever3323d ago

"the gamer that expects the best versions of games designed for a platform 40% slower than its competitor" Fixed it for you.

TheCommentator3323d ago

Most people have a problem with you Butcher TROLL... but I don't know why... /sarcasm.

ULTp0ltergeist3323d ago

Well it's a premium product so they're not trying to achieve high-volume sells. This will make very powerful consoles cheaper in the coming years giving artists more capacity to express themselves. Only good things will come of this best time for anyone in the industry imo.

Unspoken3323d ago

$1000 PC equivalent for <$500

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Codedan3323d ago

I would say since a lot of this was due to customizations $399 would be the smart move. If Microsoft loses some money at first, and then can deliver some damn games then it would be a smart move for the brand.

XanderZane3323d ago

I'm still thinking it will be $500 and I'm completely fine with that. I'd definitely shell out $500 for this beast. By the time it's released the PS4 Pro should be $350, which will be priced just right for me as well. This holiday is going to be incredible.

Codedan3323d ago (Edited 3323d ago )

I want to agree with you, but at the same time Microsoft needs to step it up due to their PR flop.

rainslacker3322d ago

I can't see MS taking a significant loss on the hardware. The biggest audience out of the gate is going to be current X1 owners, and because of that, they don't stand to make it back on the software end any more than they would already. On top of that, they know the hardcore Xbox fans will pay the higher price.

MS isn't likely looking at Scorpio being a big seller out of the gate, so will likely want to at least break even on the hardware, and then that gives them more room to do price drops later.

MS isn't using the word "premium" when referring to the console now to discuss it's technical prowess. They're preparing people for the fact that it's going to be an expensive console. It probably won't be exhorbitantly overpriced though. $499 is probably going to be the minimum...and likely target price of the system. Maybe they'll have a $599 SKU as well.

CyrusLemont3323d ago (Edited 3323d ago )

Sounds great, looks like it's going to make developers very happy. How this will effect the Xbox One remains to be seen. Scalability sacrifices optimisation which means XO might take a performance and graphics hit because of the new system. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

1908-PB3323d ago

it won't have any effect on the xone because it's the same system just like the pro and the original PS4

Allsystemgamer3322d ago

Which makes it useless. It's going to cost a load more to play the exact same games. The Xbox one will hold the Scorpio back.

It's like owning a race car but not being allowed to exceed 60mph....

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Lethaltare3323d ago

I feel that this isn't that impressive. If you haven't got the games to show, why release a "pro" version of a console that already lacks "exclusive" support? 4K ain't going to save you. Spec wise it's not a massive improvement over the PS4 Pro either?

KingKionic 3323d ago

"Sony's machine is very clever and produces great results in the right hands - and as ever, the quality of the end results depends on how well the software runs, not on waving numbers around. But as far as those numbers go, Scorpio has PS4 Pro licked." -Digital Foundry

Lethaltare3323d ago

I read the article, I know the quote, doesn't mean it's true. They've been given "exclusive" info for an upcoming console of course they're going to throw out comments like that. Either way, the PS4 is so ahead with the library of games at this time in the console market, Microsoft is too behind with there "Pro" console. I own an Xbox One S and I don't see a reason to jump to the scorpio.

KingKionic 3323d ago

What does libary of games have to do with digital foundry`s comments?

Goalpost moving.

Thats what they said and your saying it doesnt mean its true?

Are you serious right now?

Its digital foundry.

There not gonna risk there reputation.

ger23963323d ago

Wasn't that going to be obvious? Now let's see some exclusives running on the new hardware.

Kribwalker3323d ago

I can't believe the downplay, suck it up princess, the specs on the Scorpio destroy everything else. Not even close

Highlife3323d ago

Have fun playing games ooh wait.......

majiebeast3323d ago

Sorry too busy playing games enjoy your Halo Wars 2 in 4K. WHAHAHAHA

ArmrdChaos3323d ago

Soooo busy playing your games but had time to make your way through the thread and post. The rivers of salt are starting to flow. E3 should be interesting.

XanderZane3323d ago (Edited 3323d ago )

The fact that they ported Forza 6 in 2 days and it looks and runs like it does is very impressive. Turn 10 could easily patch the game to look a lot better and probably run better as well. Running at 4K native 60fps and only using 66% of the GPU. lol!!

https://media.tenor.co/imag...

@Highlife
Have fun playing games in native 4K @ 60fps? Yes I will and we know there are lots more games coming. Microsoft did this reveal so they could have more time at the E3 to show games running in native 4K @60fps.

@Mystogan
The fact that they ported the Forza 6 game in 2 days is even more impressive. It wasn't even fully optimized yet. Even Turn 10 was impressed. Imagine what other developers are going to think. The Scorpio was built for developers and gamers in mind.

akurtz3323d ago

one would expect nothing less when released a yea later, unless youre nintendo.

nowitzki20043323d ago

hopefully they can make some games to use that power..

Kribwalker3323d ago

@nowitzki
E3 is just around the Corner. So far it looks like Sea of thieves, state of decay 2, crackdown 3 and forza 7 will be out this year, plus cuphead and phantom dust, who knows what other surprises are in store

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Mystogan3323d ago

How is this not impressive? it ran Forza at 4K 60fps and it only used 60% of the gpu power.

GrubsterBeater3323d ago

Forza doesn't have a huge amount of assets to run all at once and is probably the easiest game to boost for XBox One. This should worry you all that they didn't show anything that actually requires a lot of power to run..

andrewsquall3323d ago

It runs this with left over resources lol? https://giant.gfycat.com/Di... It had BETTER. And that is footage of the 3RD Forza game released on Xbone so there are no "early gen game" excuses.

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headblackman3323d ago (Edited 3323d ago )

that's not what df was saying sir! and as for the games.... you act as if you're new to this gaming thing. but if you are, there's something called e3 that will show all gamers the newest and latest games, so you'll see the exclusive games that you claim that ms xb doesn't have. and being that the scropio isn't anything different as far as a next generation of console, it will already have games. it's just a super powered xbox one just like the ps4 pro. the ps4 pro is just a super powered ps4. the ps4 doesn't have any exclusive games that isn't on the ps4. it simply plays whatevers on or also playable on the ps4. same game! same exact disc! and he scropio will do the very same thing with all of the og x1 games, with all of the listed bc x360 games, and with more power from the more powerful console. so on that note sir.... enjoy your console of preference and let the xbox fans do the same for their console of preference. may we all game in peace.

spicelicka3323d ago

"If you haven't got the games to show"

Where did you get this assumption??????????

They purposely did not announce any new games last year. They did not reveal any plans past mid 2017. You really think there won't be any software coming in the future?

spicelicka3323d ago

They said it will share games with Xbox One, so I can see where you're coming from but that doesn't mean it won't have exclusive support post launch.

Firstly, it is entirely possible to have Xbox one and Scorpio version of a game with plenty of graphical improvements. There is no reason they can't have two separate versions of a game and make them cross payable.

I think people are taking Phil's words as there being ONE disc that's playable on BOTH systems. This may be true at launch but doesn't have to apply to future games, and digital games can easily change that because one purchase of a game could get you both versions (like Windows 10 and Xbox one games).

AAWELLS093323d ago

Spin Doctor #127 has clocked in for the day. I expect a full days work from you.

strangerthings19953323d ago

Well it's the place to be for multiplats if they're native 4k with decent frames as he article suggests.

CaptainPunch3323d ago (Edited 3323d ago )

Don't get the negative vibes already, sad.

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KingKionic 3323d ago

"Forza Motorsport. 4K, 60fps, Xbox One quality settings with 4K assets. GPU utilisation is at 66.19 per cent, meaning there's a huge amount of overhead left over for improving visuals still further. Click on the thumbnail for a higher resolution image."

Jesus christ.

This system is a beast.

green3323d ago

The Forza engine was ported to Scorpio in just two days with the only change being the addition of 4K assets. Imagine if optimisation was actually done?

This means every current gen game can easily run on Scorpio with 4K assets and still the GPU will be under utilized. This is very impressive because the overhead on the GPU for scorpio is basically what the overhead is like on current gen consoles rendering remasters of last gen games.

KingKionic 3323d ago

Yeah a lot of people here dont understand how impressive this is.

But they will though. Digital foundry`s videos later this year showing the comparison of assets will be great.

Codedan3323d ago (Edited 3323d ago )

People expect pure hardware to be the factor with this, but what they did to the architecture is simply amazing. Teraflops are not really a true measure of power for system, whereas CPI is.

danny8183323d ago

They were very smart to stick with Jaguar. All games will be improved even the current Xbox games. Im also assuming Scorpio will keep the $400-$500 cost.

lunatic00013323d ago

the console does sound awesome...can't wait to see more

BlackTar1873323d ago

Looks good

Let's be real here when GT and Driveclub are talked about the Xbox crowd says racers are the easiest to have good graphics. That does apply here you guys.

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strangerthings19953323d ago

It has xbox one graphic settings bruh.That's like 4k low/medium.I hope it will bumb to high/ultra

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Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle13d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7713d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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Relientk7718d ago

I remember playing this back in the day on PS2. What a sick game!

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Outside_ofthe_Box19d ago (Edited 19d ago )

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster300019d ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv7218d ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

S2Killinit18d ago

The fans didn’t tell them to go multilat. MS was forced to after the 82 billion they spent to destroy gaming. Then, while xbox fans cheered, MS realized they can’t justify the price tag by selling through xbox only, so they went multiplat and in the process began to downplay console gaming.

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CrashMania19d ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

S2Killinit18d ago

They will do what they always do, they will promise the world at the beginning of next GEN and then failed to deliver all generation long. But there will always be some gamers who will buy into their promises.

ocelot0718d ago

Absolutely agree, Do people genuinely believe Microsoft are now going to go. Hang on how's about we go back to 2020. Then GP was stagnating, Games sold where awful because of GP. Outsold by Playstation by a landslide.

They have sold 5m of Forza I believe on PS5. Spite it being a old game. I think Starfield is going to sell well in the end. Halo is deffinetly going to sell well as is Fable and Forza Horizon 6.

I think at best (for Xbox fans). Single player titles like Clockwork will have a timed exclusivity. Multiplayer centric games like Forza, E Day will release day and date on all platforms.

Or all games will release on all platforms day and date. But maybe Xbox and Windows Store copies will have exclusive bonuses. Or may even get timed exclusive dlc like Fallout and Elder Scrolls and COD use to do.

I think they will treat Xbox players like the premium customers or at least act the way. But will serve just the Playstation and Switch 2 customers as well.

Neonridr19d ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box18d ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Neonridr18d ago

@Outside - possibly, but it might push people to want Xbox hardware so they can play with their buddies day one.

Who knows.

S2Killinit18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

it would but remember doing that can splinter the COD fan base and in the process damage the call of duty brand which is probably the only franchise in that $82 billion purchase that in anyway gets even close to delivering what Microsoft thought they bought. If Microsoft fudges around too much with the COD franchise, you might even see a competitor franchise show up on the scene and that would be a catastrophe after the huge debt that Microsoft put itself into with the ABK purchase.

But Its almost guaranteed that Microsoft will want to do something drastic at the beginning of the next generation as they always do. We will see.

Pyrofire9518d ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv7218d ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

S2Killinit18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

A lot of their base left for greener (bluer?) pastures.

--Onilink--18d ago

What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

Outside_ofthe_Box18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

I agree. I mean once they went multiplat, in theory there should be no going back especially when you have games that have sold really well on other platforms.

Microsoft are the ones that announced that they are reevaluating. So I'm just guessing on what their end goal is. Right now Xbox as a hardware is not a must buy for anyone but fans of the brand because their games can be played elsewhere. Going exclusive would solve this, but you lose out on a ton of money instantly which has always been what the company does not want to do so not really sure what their "reevaluating exclusives" means unless they are pulling a Phil Spencer and are just saying what people want to hear and will continue to do what they are currently doing.

darthv7218d ago

Their ports to PS5 are selling because Sony's output has been so dry... the fans are thirsty, and MS is the oasis.

SIdepocket18d ago

Unfortunately, the studios they buy wither under their leadership.

mcstorm18d ago

Microsoft still has a name with Xbox the issue is the casual games are not looking at the console because its not the same console their friends have. Look at that poll on how many users upgraded from xbox 365 to one and then the X. Part of Microsoft's downfall was thinking that the Wii was the market they had to be in when really it was the core market. If you get the core gamers you then get the market to. As I posted a few minuets ago on another post Microsoft putting exclusives on PS this gen could bold well if they hit next gen with all our games are staying exclusive from this new gen. They will then get gamers wanting Halo, Forza Gears but this is also where Microsoft fell over with the xbox one and X in terms of they did not have may quality 1st party games affter they fell into the Gears, Forza and Halo cycle. If they can get some old IPs back to bring back the old core gamers as well as fresh ips to bring in new gamers things could improve next gen. But as I said in my last post its all if buts and maybes at the moment. No one knows if the next home consoles will be to expensive that people move to pc as we are now seeing or look at the stem deck as a cheepier alternitive.

DarXyde18d ago

"Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box."

That's very optimistic. It's not the only issue, far from it. There is a serious rupture between Microsoft generally and the public caused by their weird Game Pass price fluctuations, taking down physical game space in stores, and being the first to go nuts on hardware price hikes that they themselves played a big part in.

They're also charging beyond a premium for Helix which is just vile at a time when the economy is in shambles.

The company itself is really not doing itself any favors with the approach they're taking Windows. Even France is looking to ditch Windows in favor of Linux.

But the most offensive thing is this AI push. They're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the very technology they're using to replace a considerable proportion of their workforce... And the slap in the face is how they bake copilot into everything when nobody likes it—they couldn't even make Bing stick, so why on earth are they trying so hard? You know it's bad when people would rather use ChatGPT than Copilot which is killing their OS. But aside from their snatching up of farmland to build data centers (and reduce the agriculture capacity of whichever country allows them to build them), they made an AI-generated gamer gurl that loves AI the head of Xbox.

Even if we grant them the full benefit of the doubt, it hardly matters what Xbox wants to do if Nadella says no, and that includes exclusive games. Microsoft's relationship with Xbox is the opposite of Sony's relationship with PlayStation—Microsoft pulls the reins of Xbox, but Sony damn near went under for the PS3.

Tanktopmaster9218d ago (Edited 18d ago )

“If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it.”

Great strategy, especially after Forza selling 5 million on PlayStation and sea of thieves selling at least another million (2 million) for example. In March 2026, Xbox consoles sales ratio vs PS was 10:1.

In addition to that, with Gamepass, which unequivocally cuts out chunks of sales (Cannibalizing revenue from 1st month sales especially).

I’m sure going exclusive again after releasing everything on Ps5 is going to work out great for business.

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maximusprime_19d ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted19d ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

S2Killinit18d ago

Sony PlayStation has deservedly dominated xbox. Facts

Tanktopmaster9218d ago (Edited 18d ago )

Ok tween.

Xbox series SX got outsold 10:1 last month. lol.

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shadowT19d ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers19d ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz14918d ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

ocelot0718d ago

Agreed and I think that's where they are going to focus on more. I think cheaper games on Windows/Xbox store (MS IP) compared to Steam and Epic and maybe even compared to PSN store as well.

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