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Could Project Scorpio Be A $700 Console?

Project Scorpio will likely be the most expensive console on the market, but how expensive can it possibly be?

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threefootwang3339d ago

Highly doubt it. $450-$550 realistically. Anything more and even the most hardcore Xbox fans wouldn't buy it.

darthv723338d ago (Edited 3338d ago )

A high price is sometimes indicative of high quality and sometimes not. Look at the Neo Geo. It was truly the only arcade at home console and has a pretty insane following still to this day. Then look at something like the 3DO. It was high priced because the 3DO company had a lock on the software which made the hardware company (Panasonic) have to sell high to recoup their investment. Typically a platform will sell the hardware at a loss with the intention to make up for it via software. That was not in the contract between Panasonic and 3DO.

Scorpio could be on either side of the spectrum but one thing is for certain. If MS wants to make this a success then they will be looking at all aspects of how to sell units. Including selling it at a considerable loss if necessary.

mikeslemonade3338d ago (Edited 3338d ago )

$400 and possibly $300. The equivalent gpu right now can be had for $300 and less. And it only stayed at $300 because NVDIA doesn't drop price after they retire the gpu. So right now $250 to my estimation for the gpu. Microsoft will be willing to sell Scorpio at a loss.

Won't be $700 cause I can build PC stronger than Scorpio for $700 right now and we still have almost a year before this fail of a console releases.

Eonjay3338d ago

Right but the thing is you want to find a price-point that doesn't block out a part of the larger market. It will not be $700.

ninsigma3338d ago

@mike
Gotta add in the possibly brand new 2017 CPU. Was it 12GB of ram?? plus everything else. That won't come cheap. I can see this for $500 but also wouldn't be surprised by 600. I would be shocked if it was 400 or less or more than 600.

BlackTar1873338d ago

Possibly $300 HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAha Yea right dude

CVTURBO3338d ago

@Mike It one thing to build an equal or better PC for the same price, but its another to build it in the compact size for fast manufacturing. And unlike you, they have to pay for utilities, wages, ect ect. to assemble them.

Bigpappy3338d ago (Edited 3338d ago )

@darthv72: Your reasoning is sound, but I believe that if they include the Rezen CPU, $700 wouldn't be out of the question. Phil keeps saying this is a PREMIUM console that is NOT aimed at the general gaming community. You guys apparently either think he is joking or a liar.

This will not sell at PSpro price. I am expecting $600 to $700, depending on the processor and whatever other hardware features are added. If it is $500, I would be very happy and pleasantly surprised. Truth is, I am not really concerned about the price. I want them to build a truly premium console. I believe if it is truly a performance monster there will be more gamers who will happily pay a bit more for it.

freshslicepizza3338d ago

i think it was said that it wont be higher than something we are familiar with like the ps3. so i would think $399-$599.

i wouldn't want them to cheap out or do a semi upgrade. why not just give a premium product like they did with the elite controller? if people think its too much they can build their own pc (which we all know will be significantly higher) or buy a xbox one s.

bouzebbal3338d ago

If it's more than 399 then they shouldn't even bother and stay committed to the X1.

andrewsquall3338d ago

@darthv72 Why go that far for your examples when you have PS4 and Xbone? Xbone itself is the perfect example of a ripoff console at a ripoff price for what you were getting. Even WITHOUT the Kinect 0.75 at launch, 400 would have been a ripoff for a 2004 ddr3 "next gen" console, especially compared to what the PS4 was.
On top of that PS4 had PS Plus games, MMO support, game streaming on Twitch and Ustream all at launch too.

FITgamer3338d ago

If the "rumored" Ryzen CPU is in the box, I'd say it's going to be $599. $499 at bare minimum.

DarkZane3338d ago

The people thinking it's gonna be $300 or $400 are out of their mind. The thing is gonna be minimum $500.

Hell it will probably be more because Phil Spencer keep saying it's a high end premium product, so don't expect it to be cheap.

Captain_Tom3338d ago

A 6 TFLOP console for $700?!

I can build a 9 TFLOP PC for that price. No the OP clearly knows NOTHING about computer hardware. Yet another uninformed mouthpiece spouting ignorance.

OC_MurphysLaw3338d ago

@darthv72 the main reason it won't be $700...just look at what happened to all those consoles you sighted. That model would be the sure way to kill xbox in the current landscape.

If MS wants to regain the success of the 360 they will model after what they did there. Advanced tech that was beyond the current tech so it was relevant for years and the sold it at a loss to be price competitive.

Trekster_Gamer3338d ago

It is not 1993... The same rules do not apply. MS knows if the price is too high current XB1 owners will not purchase. I think 499 to 599 will be the price point. They can afford to take a hit on hardware.

UltraNova3338d ago (Edited 3338d ago )

I would like to beleive that MS learned something the past 3+ years...with that in mind they will not price the Scorpio above 499 (it goes without saying that they must sell at a loss). Dont forget that Sony might drop the Pro's price to 350 just to mess with them.

That said a 150 bucks price difference will be hard to sell when the competion will have a ton more games out and even more announced at E3.

MS must start their E3 conference with the console's reveal (full specs & price) then announce game after game untill the end of it, like non stop. Theirs no room for multimedia/VR/Xbox live/W10 talk(thats better left for another show down the line). Just show the scorpio and its games.

Imho its the only way for MS to give the Scorpio a fighting chance.

mikeslemonade3338d ago (Edited 3338d ago )

lol you guys think $300 is farfetched. $400 is probable since PS pro is equivalent to a 970 and Sony sold the PS Pro for $400. 970 at the time was $250. 980ti the closest thing to Scoprio is $250 right now and the reason it's not $250 when you google it is Nvidia doesn't drop their price when they retire their card, but the 980ti is worth $250-$300 right now. So it's it's probable that it will be $400. However wait 6 more months and the gpu is even cheaper.

Someone mentioned CPU and other components but it appears the Microsoft is beefing up the gpu and any cpu can do run on a console. A $100 cpu probably wouldn't be the bottleneck on a console. Then the other components are just cheap.

And finally this is Microsoft they are as good as Sony as getting their components for cheap and selling it at a loss. It's not like Nintendo where they cheap out put a 2 year old Tegra inside the Switch and then sell it for profit on launch day.

And finally it doesn't matter because Scorpio will fail. I just wanna tell you fairminded people here that it's probably $400 and possibly $300. $300 to undercut Sony, because Microsoft is directly competiting against Sony. The components inside can be worth $500 and then sell at $300. How is that not out of the possiblity to some of you numskulls on here.

Maybe some of you guys were toddlers when the PS3 and 360 came out but those systems sold at a loss. 360 was $400 msrp but the cost to manufacture was like $650 $700. And PS3 was $600 but the manufacture was $850.

mikeslemonade3338d ago (Edited 3338d ago )

Also what I said before should deter you from buying this system all together. When Scorpio outs finally for $400 it will be behind on PC anyway. They will force it to play 4k but you won't be able to play PC exclusives. Spend a little more on a PC build to get an even better PC.

As a previous 980ti owner which is the scorpio equivalent, that gpu wasn't that good on 4k games. It was good for 2k gaming. So don't spend $400 on another underpowered system with no exclusives.

Scatpants3338d ago

Either one of those systems is utterly niche. That is something Microsoft doesn't want. I'm guessing $400 and if it's over 500 I'll be amazed.

TheUndertaker853338d ago

@andrewsquall: Don't forget Xbox One offers .5GB more ram to devs. Plus PS4 Pros extra 1GB is DDR3, not GDDR5.

Xbox One also has Games with Gold offering both Xbox One and Xbox 360 games, all playable on Xbox One. Xbox One also supports MMOs and free to play games just like PlayStation. They even offer some content not available on PlayStation. Who'd have thought? Further Xbox One does support Twitch streaming and will be gaining Beam support in a near firmware update. Beam now being exclusive to Microsoft.

Haven't you been to the present lately? Kinect 2.0 is no longer coupled with Xbox One allowing individuals to pick up the new One S model sporting 4K & HDR support for typically less than a PS4. They also managed to pack in a 4K UHD drive in every one without increasing the cost to consumers.

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indysurfn3338d ago

I will say that if it turns out to be more than 6 teraflops (I.E. If Microsoft is sandbagging just like Sony did with the PS4 way launch).

My point is if it turns out to be 8+ teraflops even I would jump on it. Horizon Zero dawn has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that GRAPHICS MATTER!

dumahim3338d ago

@mikeslemonade
"Someone mentioned CPU and other components but it appears the Microsoft is beefing up the gpu and any cpu can do run on a console. A $100 cpu probably wouldn't be the bottleneck on a console. Then the other components are just cheap. "
You're forgetting they're not using desktop processors for home consoles. They've been low power (low heat) mobile processors. Could they use a cheap desktop processor? Sure, but then they need to build a box and cooling to support it. They're not going to do that.

Angeljuice3337d ago

The 3DO was a better console than the Neo Geo. Neo Geo had King of Fighters and other exclusive arcade games, that's why it was popular.

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_-EDMIX-_3338d ago

Agreed that is just so unrealistic.

Nu3338d ago

I'm thinking $500 at most.

TheCommentator3338d ago

Yep, at the most. $400 on the low side.

S2Killinit3338d ago (Edited 3338d ago )

Yes. It will be between 399-450. Its not that much more powerful than the Pro, and it wouldnt make business sense for it to be that much more expensive.

Gazondaily3338d ago

@S2kill

"Its not that much more powerful than the Pro"

Isnt it like 40% more powerful??

Trekster_Gamer3338d ago

It will be much Much more powerful then the pro. This isn't a minor upgrade as with the Pro. This is next gen performance .

Phoenix763338d ago (Edited 3338d ago )

@trekster gamer

This isn't a minor upgrade as with the Pro.

The pro is hardly a 'minor' upgrade when you compare the stats next to og ps4
1.84-2.10 GHz CPU 30% increase
800-911mhz GPU approx 15% increase
Gddr5 1.84-4.20 teraflops over 200% increase
Additional 1gb ddr3 (og ps4 didn't have this)

Angeljuice3337d ago

It will cost more than $500, or Microsoft wouldn't be softening the blow with their "premium console, premium price" mantra.

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XanderZane3338d ago

It definitely won't be $700. I'm still thinking $500 will be the price and I can live with that. If M$ really wants it to fly off retail shelves include Crackdown 3, Forza 7 or a new IP exclusive to XBox/Scorpio and sell it for $450. It will sell then. I think anything over $600 is going to drive consumers away.

ShadowKnight3338d ago (Edited 3338d ago )

I believe it's going to be $550 to $600. No way its going to be $450 especially if it's going to have 6 teraflops GPU, SSD, 12GB of ram memory, Ultra HD Player, and a Ryzen CPU and a Elite Controller. Anything over $500 is DOA IMHO

BumpFrankie3338d ago

Can you please provide your source confirming this new console comes with an SSD and an Elite Controller? Thanks.

ShadowKnight3338d ago

Phil said it's a premium product just like the Elite contoller

TheUndertaker853338d ago

"Phil said it's a premium product just like the Elite contoller"

Uh... What part of that says it'll pack in a SSD or Elite controller? That tells me that it'll be premium compared to Xbox One & One S then the price will reflect the same.

LackTrue4K3338d ago

Keep in mind, Microsoft sells 150.00 elite controllers.
🤣

DJustinUNCHAIND3338d ago

And they are the best controllers available.

PaulKersey3338d ago

There's a sucker.. um fanboy born every minute.

goatking3338d ago

Those elite controller feels like they are 150 bucks to be fair, plus they have sold fairly well.

TheUndertaker853338d ago

Also keep in mind Sony licenses higher priced knockoffs that advertise similar features
https://blog.eu.playstation...

Then don't get me started on the $150+ Wii U GamePad or what it must cost to replace a Switch tablet.

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Fist4achin3338d ago

Thats a tough price to put on your fans. I hope they have some software to command a price like that.

tinynuggins3338d ago

It's not actually because it's just a high end option. phil spencer already said that the xbox one s will sell more over scorpio after scorpio launches.

TheVetOfGaming3338d ago (Edited 3338d ago )

I'm guessing $500. I seriously doubt it will sell for any less. The real question is: will it sell well enough?

Scatpants3338d ago

It'll sell like garbage at $500. Xbox is already the less popular brand. They're not really in the position to charge a lot more than their competition and expect lots of sales.

Ceaser98573613338d ago

Should be 499$ or lil more.. 300 to 399 Not even a chance.. Its a premium console. Anything close to 599$ + would be dangerous for Scorpio.

0Day3337d ago

The standard iPad is priced at $599 when they come out each year and people buy them like hot cakes. Microsoft knows that people who want a Native 4K gaming experience will be willing to pay $599 minimum. Especially when they announce all their existing X1 games will get a visual upgrade from the hardware. Halo 5 in 4K. I know it will sell.

ChiefofLoliPolice3337d ago

Quit being unrealistic it's not gonna be anywhere between there and you know it.

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Relientk773339d ago

It wouldn't sell at that price, I'm expecting $400-500

darthv723338d ago

Oh it would sell. You always have those with $$ to burn that has to get the latest and greatest.

The masses don't usually come into the picture until the price is significantly lower. Like when the PS2 finally hit the $199 sweet spot is when it seriously exploded in sales but it's not a knock against those who paid the premium price to have it (and the bragging rights) sooner.

WickedLester3338d ago

The masses will be buying PS4 Pros when Sony announces its new 299.99 price tag.

TheUndertaker853338d ago

@WickedLester: Why would the masses do that when if Pro drops that much the base model would need to drop as well?

So if the masses are going to buy something it'd be the base PS4 over Pro, no? As most people don't have 4K, care about specs, bandwidth for 4K streaming, or other factors that existed for PlayStation fans to this point?

dumahim3338d ago

Yep. I had planned on buying one from day 1 up until about two months ago when the prospect of their exclusive games seemed to have dried up. If I was going to drop that much money to play MS games, I might as well put it towards PC upgrades and just play Forza there instead.

The 10th Rider3338d ago

Yeah, I don't think it will be that price, but there's people out there who will buy more expensive things because they believe the price is indicative of quality.

kneon3338d ago

Maybe as high as $599 if someone in marketing decides that they need to differentiate from the PS4 by promoting it as a premium console. But that wouldn't last as it would flop hard at that price.

Angeljuice3337d ago

Release it at a high price to establish its high value then reduce it shortly afterwards to imply a bargain?

Kaneki-Ken3338d ago

A new generation Console and charge you another $400 or more for more power but no Exclusive, amazing 10/10.

Angeljuice3337d ago

That's not fair, they've cancelled and butchered plenty of titles in preparation for the Scorpio's release. That takes serious effort.
Offering nothing at all isn't as easy as you think.

iceman063338d ago

This is the difficulty. MS wants to define it as a "premium" console. Well, that means that there has to be enough of a price gap to satisfy that meaning. (perception of quality based on price marketing...Apple does this WELL!) While I agree that $400-$500 would be ideal, it could drift upwards of $600. If it's meant to be the console that extends the generations (the specs look solid enough to last several years), then $600 doesn't look that bad and gives the perception that you've paid for something signifcanlty better than the standard. (more marketing psych. stuff) In the end, high end "premium" products aren't meant for mass consumption. The actual idea of premium IS that some will be priced out. Not only does it make the standard seem more affordable. It creates a "need" when there wasn't one. People have the standard, and can't afford the Premium. But, there's now an urge to upgrade. Just because there's something better. (smartphone and tablet market KILL with this psych. strat.) This leads to justification (real or not) of the money gap.

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skydragoonityx3339d ago (Edited 3339d ago )

A $700 console wit so little games would be the final nail

Aenea3338d ago

Give it a rest, it still has all the multiplat support the PS4 also has....

mikeslemonade3338d ago

You and 12 others in your city will buy it..

Gaming_Cousin3338d ago

Wow it has multiplatform games! Can you tell me what it can do that PC does not? Oh thats right... charge $50 for online play

King_Lothric3338d ago

When the Xbox team criticized PS4 for having "no games", I don't remember multiple support was part of that count.

Jamesx82x3338d ago

Actually no it doesnt, just look at Nioh and Nier.

RosweeSon3338d ago

Yeah multiplatform sure so I can play all that elsewhere what does thisconsole have that can't get elsewhere for cheaper? Games.

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darthv723338d ago

there are over 1000 games for xb1 which will work on scorpio... you call that "little"?

mikeslemonade3338d ago

You and the 17 other people in your city will buy one.

curtis923338d ago

Yet >1% will actually take advantage of scorpio's power so... just keep your XBO and save $700.

Gaming_Cousin3338d ago

darth quit your bsing. Many of those games have not even released or have a release date.

TheCommentator3338d ago (Edited 3338d ago )

Curtis thinks Scorpio will launch with fewer than 10 games supporting it... and gets agrees...

WTF

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Critic4l_Strik33337d ago

$700 will be more like starting to fill the grave with dirt

hahaha3339d ago

Better not as there aren't any games to play.

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CrimzonRazor3339d ago

500 max anything more and people will pass and go pc

yeahokwhatever3338d ago

north of 500 because it IS a PC. just wait.

MonsterChef3338d ago

I fail to understand how blind summer fans can be. This thing is not going to be$400 it'll be $500+ if it's less, I'll eat crow. And the thing is, that if it is$500 why bother with it at all, you can build a good rig with that cash and do more in game with a gaming PC than Scorpio.

jmac533338d ago (Edited 3338d ago )

Well if that's the case I will use that $500 to buy a scorching GPU that blows it out of the water. That's not selling consoles to us. All the xbox games will be there on PC as well.

tinynuggins3338d ago

No they wont. You could give me the highest end gaming rig and I'll either sell it or put it in the garage. But one thing i will never do is game on pc. It just kills the fun for me. That's why consoles were created so that gamers dont have to deal with all the pc hassle.

yeahokwhatever3338d ago

and hacks. FPS are basically unplayable on PC.

holdmyown833338d ago

Ahhhhh yes!!! You the real MVP for that comment. I can't see myself doing it either. Maybe if I had started at a younger age.

yeahokwhatever3332d ago

I used to game almost exclusively on PC, and would only buy multiplat fps on PC, until I just got tired of all the cheats, getting kicked because people thought I was cheating, etc. Just gets annoying.

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Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

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they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

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Outside_ofthe_Box20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster300020d ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv7220d ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

S2Killinit20d ago

The fans didn’t tell them to go multilat. MS was forced to after the 82 billion they spent to destroy gaming. Then, while xbox fans cheered, MS realized they can’t justify the price tag by selling through xbox only, so they went multiplat and in the process began to downplay console gaming.

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CrashMania20d ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

S2Killinit20d ago

They will do what they always do, they will promise the world at the beginning of next GEN and then failed to deliver all generation long. But there will always be some gamers who will buy into their promises.

ocelot0720d ago

Absolutely agree, Do people genuinely believe Microsoft are now going to go. Hang on how's about we go back to 2020. Then GP was stagnating, Games sold where awful because of GP. Outsold by Playstation by a landslide.

They have sold 5m of Forza I believe on PS5. Spite it being a old game. I think Starfield is going to sell well in the end. Halo is deffinetly going to sell well as is Fable and Forza Horizon 6.

I think at best (for Xbox fans). Single player titles like Clockwork will have a timed exclusivity. Multiplayer centric games like Forza, E Day will release day and date on all platforms.

Or all games will release on all platforms day and date. But maybe Xbox and Windows Store copies will have exclusive bonuses. Or may even get timed exclusive dlc like Fallout and Elder Scrolls and COD use to do.

I think they will treat Xbox players like the premium customers or at least act the way. But will serve just the Playstation and Switch 2 customers as well.

Neonridr20d ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box20d ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Neonridr20d ago

@Outside - possibly, but it might push people to want Xbox hardware so they can play with their buddies day one.

Who knows.

S2Killinit20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

it would but remember doing that can splinter the COD fan base and in the process damage the call of duty brand which is probably the only franchise in that $82 billion purchase that in anyway gets even close to delivering what Microsoft thought they bought. If Microsoft fudges around too much with the COD franchise, you might even see a competitor franchise show up on the scene and that would be a catastrophe after the huge debt that Microsoft put itself into with the ABK purchase.

But Its almost guaranteed that Microsoft will want to do something drastic at the beginning of the next generation as they always do. We will see.

Pyrofire9520d ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv7220d ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

S2Killinit20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

A lot of their base left for greener (bluer?) pastures.

--Onilink--20d ago

What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

Outside_ofthe_Box20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

I agree. I mean once they went multiplat, in theory there should be no going back especially when you have games that have sold really well on other platforms.

Microsoft are the ones that announced that they are reevaluating. So I'm just guessing on what their end goal is. Right now Xbox as a hardware is not a must buy for anyone but fans of the brand because their games can be played elsewhere. Going exclusive would solve this, but you lose out on a ton of money instantly which has always been what the company does not want to do so not really sure what their "reevaluating exclusives" means unless they are pulling a Phil Spencer and are just saying what people want to hear and will continue to do what they are currently doing.

darthv7220d ago

Their ports to PS5 are selling because Sony's output has been so dry... the fans are thirsty, and MS is the oasis.

SIdepocket20d ago

Unfortunately, the studios they buy wither under their leadership.

mcstorm20d ago

Microsoft still has a name with Xbox the issue is the casual games are not looking at the console because its not the same console their friends have. Look at that poll on how many users upgraded from xbox 365 to one and then the X. Part of Microsoft's downfall was thinking that the Wii was the market they had to be in when really it was the core market. If you get the core gamers you then get the market to. As I posted a few minuets ago on another post Microsoft putting exclusives on PS this gen could bold well if they hit next gen with all our games are staying exclusive from this new gen. They will then get gamers wanting Halo, Forza Gears but this is also where Microsoft fell over with the xbox one and X in terms of they did not have may quality 1st party games affter they fell into the Gears, Forza and Halo cycle. If they can get some old IPs back to bring back the old core gamers as well as fresh ips to bring in new gamers things could improve next gen. But as I said in my last post its all if buts and maybes at the moment. No one knows if the next home consoles will be to expensive that people move to pc as we are now seeing or look at the stem deck as a cheepier alternitive.

DarXyde20d ago

"Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box."

That's very optimistic. It's not the only issue, far from it. There is a serious rupture between Microsoft generally and the public caused by their weird Game Pass price fluctuations, taking down physical game space in stores, and being the first to go nuts on hardware price hikes that they themselves played a big part in.

They're also charging beyond a premium for Helix which is just vile at a time when the economy is in shambles.

The company itself is really not doing itself any favors with the approach they're taking Windows. Even France is looking to ditch Windows in favor of Linux.

But the most offensive thing is this AI push. They're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the very technology they're using to replace a considerable proportion of their workforce... And the slap in the face is how they bake copilot into everything when nobody likes it—they couldn't even make Bing stick, so why on earth are they trying so hard? You know it's bad when people would rather use ChatGPT than Copilot which is killing their OS. But aside from their snatching up of farmland to build data centers (and reduce the agriculture capacity of whichever country allows them to build them), they made an AI-generated gamer gurl that loves AI the head of Xbox.

Even if we grant them the full benefit of the doubt, it hardly matters what Xbox wants to do if Nadella says no, and that includes exclusive games. Microsoft's relationship with Xbox is the opposite of Sony's relationship with PlayStation—Microsoft pulls the reins of Xbox, but Sony damn near went under for the PS3.

Tanktopmaster9220d ago (Edited 20d ago )

“If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it.”

Great strategy, especially after Forza selling 5 million on PlayStation and sea of thieves selling at least another million (2 million) for example. In March 2026, Xbox consoles sales ratio vs PS was 10:1.

In addition to that, with Gamepass, which unequivocally cuts out chunks of sales (Cannibalizing revenue from 1st month sales especially).

I’m sure going exclusive again after releasing everything on Ps5 is going to work out great for business.

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maximusprime_20d ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted20d ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

S2Killinit20d ago

Sony PlayStation has deservedly dominated xbox. Facts

Tanktopmaster9220d ago (Edited 20d ago )

Ok tween.

Xbox series SX got outsold 10:1 last month. lol.

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shadowT20d ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers20d ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz14920d ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

ocelot0720d ago

Agreed and I think that's where they are going to focus on more. I think cheaper games on Windows/Xbox store (MS IP) compared to Steam and Epic and maybe even compared to PSN store as well.

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