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Xbox Backwards Compatible Games Head Statement Breakdown

Breakdown of key points from the recent statement released by the Head of the Xbox Backwards Compatible Games program in regards to its future, how the system works and the demand for Call of Duty: Black Ops 2.

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annoyedgamer3336d ago

The fact that BLOPS 2 is being considered ahead of MW2 which is older is quite telling.

XanderZane3336d ago

Read the article and you might understand why that is happening.

@solderman
With the XBox 360, Microsoft put the B/C emulator and application into the system update. So even if you are offline, I believe it will still run your original XBox games. Most likely they will do the same thing with the XBox One. Instead of the game downloading from a server it will probably just download from your game disk after it's authenticated. At least you won't have to rebuy any of the games if you own the disks.

IndominusRex3336d ago

I have a feeling they will "remaster" blops 2 and sell it with treyarchs next cod. Similar to the Infinite warfare/cod 4 bundle

2pacalypsenow3336d ago

I would much rather have MW2 than Black Ops 2

solderman3336d ago (Edited 3336d ago )

What happens to the backwards compatibility when Microsoft stop supporting the Xbox One online? Does that mean it no longer works?

or is this just Microsoft doing PS2 Classics but the only difference is they let you put in a disc to download the game.

I thought true backwards compatibility was done at a system level and supported 95% of the total library and doesn't require you to download the game again.

KillBill3336d ago

"or is this just Microsoft doing PS2 Classics but the only difference is they let you put in a disc to download the game." - solderman

Really, the only difference you see between PS2 classics and MS BC is the physical disk thing... not that PS2 Classics have to be bought again if you already own them?

krypt19833336d ago

It doesn't matter if they stop supporting xb1 every game that is bc and bc in the future along with whatever game or accessories you buy from here on out will work on any platform that supports xbox live its that simple

rainslacker3335d ago

Yes, if MS drops download/network support for X1, and removes the ability to download games to the system, then BC will not likely work.

Technically, this is emulation, not BC. It's a BC solution though. It's a suitable solution considering how the system is designed to work by playing games off the hard drive and not the discs themselves. There is no reason why games couldn't run off the disc of course, but it would take a pretty major change to the way the system operates to actually do so.

I wouldn't say this is the same as PS2 classics. Those are re-released games, with new code made to add in trophies. PS2 classics also require making a separate purchase. It's not a BC solution, but a new product being released due to the added trophy content.

Sony obviously does have a working PS2 emulator for PS4 if they managed to get PS2 classics, and there is nothing that should keep them from releasing it other than them not wanting to. They wouldn't be able to do it in the same way as MS without some major adding of PS2 digital games on the PS Store. Not many of those exist, since the PS3 didn't really have that many. However, all 360 games exist on the store. So it's kind of a different situation, where even if Sony offered a similar solution, they wouldn't have the content on the store to back it up. This would mean they'd almost have to allow the game to work from the disc itself, and even if they did that, it wouldn't be 100% BC, because some PS2 games were released on CD's, which PS4 doesn't read.

So basically, there are technical and practical reasons why it wouldn't be as robust on PS4, and would require some changes to how the system is designed. Many of those things could be done, but I don't think Sony feels that it's really that important. Even with PS2 classics, there aren't that many to think that they're trying to milk it out the wazoo, so it's likely just a matter of practicality.

I think Sony would do well to allow PS2, and even PS1 games to be made available on PS4, even without the trophy enhancements. It would open up revenue streams for those older games, and like the PS3, it could remain up to the publisher if they want to allow it. Then maybe Sony could explore some BC solution.

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Artemidorus3336d ago

Stop looking backwards and look forwards Microsoft.

boomtube19873336d ago (Edited 3336d ago )

yeh they should charge u for BC by steaming them like Sony does

Artemidorus3336d ago

No they should abandon BC and focus on fresh new ideas.

Buy an Xbox 360 if you want to play old games.

YEP4143336d ago

Artemidorus
Theirs 100s of Xbox 360 games I haven't played.. to be honest theirs like 40plus Xbox one games I haven't touched .. backwards is the truth

JasonKCK3335d ago

Why should anyone want to buy an extra device for BC? Do you buy older PC's for older PC games?

annoyedgamer3336d ago

At this point there are no titles in either console that I am willing to play. I would rather have working copies of old games like Bad Company 2 and Modern Warfare 2 so BC works for me.

Gman323336d ago

Just because you dont like it or want it other people like me like playing new and old xbox360 games but i think you just wanted to come on say something negative about backswards compatible

nevarDcirE3335d ago

I just started playing assassins creed rogue through BC. It released after Xbox one did, so I regrettably missed it.

But luckily, I now get to play it, without buying a new Xbox 360, while making use of video captures and screenshots. But perhaps the biggest plus is being able to play it with my elite controller.

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Take-Two CEO Once Again Side Steps Grand Theft Auto 6 Price Point

Strauss Zelnick says price of GTA 6 is being carefully considered and that Rockstar is focused on "making the most spectacular piece of entertainment on Earth."

Kuma4d ago

If GTA 6 abandons everything that made GTA 5 great, it will crash and burn right out of the gate. GTA 5 was funny and not at all PC. My worry is that they will cave to the PC crowd and ruin the vibes.

Eonjay4d ago

They got freaking BBLs twerking on the top of trucks for the gram, the freaking Flordia joker, and dude running down the stree in their undies and you are worried about it being 'too PC'? The internet has runied gamers. It doesn't matter how non-PC they make the game, you will all listen to the grifters telling you not to believe your lying eyes lol.

gigoran84d ago

"Rockstar Games’ co-founder and former VP of Development Jamie King said he envisions GTA 6 as a game that’s “maybe not quite as edgy or quite as funny” as its satirical predecessors."

oh yeah, totally internet grifters spreading rumors...

blacktiger4d ago

That's part of the plan, they destroyed you but they need to destroy the shareholders? Only 1 shre holder is the true elite that don't care

1nsomniac4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Meh.., if it’s above £55 I ain’t buying it.

Rockstar are genuinely not half the company they used to be. I was a die hard GTA fan I’ve purchased every game and expansion and spin off day 1.

My opinion of GTA6 is that I can take it or leave it. Not bothered. They burnt too many bridges.

DaReapa4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

So they're actually leaving the door open for an L.A. Noire sequel? Nice!

VaNdAl4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

He should just come out and say it already it's getting stupid it's going to be a 100 bucks $200 for the special edition🤡🤡; 29315;🤣♿

Storm234d ago

I won't be getting this game until I can get it for $70. SHoot, I could wait for it to be even lower. I don't need the game that badly as my backlog is still huge and I am enjoying playing other things.

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Talking Aliens: The Video Games With Author Mike Diver

Skewed and Reviewed have posted an interview with Author Mike Diver about his pending book on Aliens video games.

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay5d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn26d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn25d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown6d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay5d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay5d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac5d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger6d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster30006d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde6d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde5d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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