@SpaceRanger

"PS4 primary owners have nothing to worry about with Scorpio and support."

Really? Look around. Scorpio and Xbox articles are crowed with PS Fanboys left and right. Lol

True PS gamers are too busy enjoying Nioh, Horizon and Nier. Fanboys are trying to hard downplaying Xbox articles because they are terrified. Not because Sony is not doing an excellent job with the PS4, no.

Its because the power of the Scorpio and what this console will bring to the table. I can try and fool yourself all you want. Games are comming to Xbox. Phil just returns from a trip to japan to bring more japanese dev support for Scorpio and Xbox One. And that´s is just a little bit of information that we know for now.

You heard from the SoW devs that the Scorpio will definelly be a beast! Both Pro and The Switch had a warm reception and impact. You can bet your life that MS waited to deliver the best upgrade console on the market and when they finally reveal it. The power of the Scorpio will be the only thing you gonna hear about for the next 4-5 years till Sony finally release their next gen console.

Dear Xbox fans,
I've been saying it for months: MS isn't competing with Sony for first place. MS is competing with Nintendo for second. Just accept facts. MS will NEVER beat Sony.

No big pappy, its not solely on any one thing...you're knocking down an false argument to make a false point. Exclusives matter.....leave it at that... this exclusives don't matter movement has only gained traction because microsoft doesn't push them out like the other 2 players, its so transparent and obvious. I still feel the xbox one is competing with ps4 but only in the sense its inthe same race....truthfully its fighting for 2nd place. I doubt the switch or wii u can surpass the x1 but with zero numbers coming from redmond its easy for speculation to swell.

In regards to the headline, I understand the points made but time will tell ultimately .

@moldybread Learn to read.

Or the alternative is that people know what the other systems offer, but will wait for Scorpio, because they are afraid of what they are missing out on. Going last doesn't just give you the most refined product, it gives you the ability to solve all the other issues plaguing existing systems.

As Shigeru Miyamoto said:

"A delayed game[console] is eventually good, but a rushed game[console] is forever bad."

Consoles sell well in different regions for different reasons.

NA sales are based on Price:Performance ratio > media hype > best western 3rd party support > Exclusives.

EU/ROW sales are based on PlayStation > 3rd party support (Fifa/COD) > Price:Performance ratio > Exclusives.

JP sales are based on Handheld / Mobile > AAA JRPGs > Nintendo IPs > AAA JP 3rd party.

Exclusives aren't the biggest factor in console sales. That goes to Price:Performance, the best 3rd party support, and media hype / brand loyalty.

In NA the PS4 leads that closely followed by XBO, Nintendo struggles here because their consoles re overpriced for the hardware performance you get and they don't have the 3rd party support to help them.

EU & ROW are PlayStation land so it's an uphill battle for anyone there. But once again Xbox does well enough here, because they do have strong 3rd party support and they have a solid price:performance as well. Nintendo struggles here with their consoles because again they had an awful price:performance ratio with the Wii U especially compared to the PS4 which was only $50 more at launch than the 32GB Wii U and offered much better performance.

JP is a bit different. Xbox is dead here. Which leaves it to Nintendo and PlayStation. But since JP is a handheld primarily region it's not a clean sweep for Nintendo and Sony. Here Sony takes the 3rd party crown again, but JP is also huge on Nintendo exclusives so both do well here considering (although it is the smallest console region).

PlayStation almost wins EU and RoW by default, thus their sales are going to be good generally speaking. Xbox does well in NA, and at worst should so decent in EU and RoW thanks to it's good 3rd party support as long as it keeps it pricing competitive or lower than PlayStation. Until Nintendo realize how the market is for consoles they'll always be a distant 3rd because they have no 3rd party support and their price:performance ratios are horrible by selling low end hardware at new premium console prices.

The Switch however, is unique in that it's trying to capitalize on the love for Nintendo's handhelds (even though it's a declining market) with their console. Since it's a first the results are up in the air. It could be a big hit like the Wii (which I doubt), it could be another failure like the Wii U (which I doubt), or it could be somewhere between both their last gen platforms Wii U & 3DS (around 40m sold, which seems most likely) or at best match the 3DS if they get everything right such as a $199 price, games, and the system fixed within the first 2 years (65m, possible).

That's a lot of damage control, of course Microsoft is a direct competitor with Sony, so is Nintendo.

If you are not worried or anticipating what your competition might do you aren't working hard enough.

im buying it day one and i live in a large military town and i cut hair and everyone that i ask here that's into gaming (ps or xb fan) say that they will be getting one day one or is very interested in it. most just wanna see what the cost is and what the trade in value will be on their older systems. so people not being eager to get a scorpio is bogus! people will jump in much faster with the scorpio than they did with the ps4 pro, because they have a reason due to the limited power on the original xbox one and for those who jumped ship from 360 to ps4 because of power will do the same (especially if ms can buy back the call of duty deal and many other promotional deals). exclusives are ok, but they don't sale systems anymore. they are just here for bragging on a list. but no one buys them.

@Ashlen

They actually did a lot more than just double GCN cores.........

@moldy- Please stop generalizing all the fans...

Stop

Stop with the

"another whole essay while"

And

"amazing how much effort sony loyalist"

Out of respect I read your post and apocalypse post.

I would agree that a lot of what you're saying makes sense but please dear God stop generalizing all fan bases..

If you're going to specifically talk about somebody specifically single them out and reply to them.

Something like the PlayStation Pro makes sense for Sony because they have the software to complement such an upgrade.

Microsoft on the other hand has a major first-party problem so bad that I'd argue that it could hurt them in the future if it isn't already.

So regardless of how you feel the reality is people are talking about Zelda people are talking about Horizon zero Dawn what are they talking about for Microsoft right now? This is why I questioned why Microsoft was constantly complimenting both their competitors have they not noticed that with their competitors having more major releases that they would actually spend a lot of time publicly acknowledging this? It's not saying to ignore their accomplishments it's simply saying they might have just addressed out great if your competition is which is not really helping them in the contrary it hurts them as even the Xbox fans have been out here a great everything else is besides their own platform.

I don't disagree with you that Nintendo overall has a failed poorly Nintendo is in a situation where they literally might be going out of the hardware business and simply turning into a software company.

That still doesn't address what is happening with Microsoft's first-party I actually believe that Microsoft is still in a very solid position because they always make a very solid system but with that being said I personally believe they need to be spending those resources building a first-party that is respectable enough to even actually give her crap about an upgrade in the first place you're talking about wasting possible billions to produce a new upgrade to a system that isn't even selling that well in the first place so what about the games? Who is buying this system simply because it is more powerful?

If Nintendo made smarter decisions hardware-wise I actually believe they would significantly be out selling Microsoft and it would actually be roles reversed and Microsoft would be considering going software only.

Nintendo has the solid first party, give Nintendo hide the proper Hardware in got their act together to get third-party support by default I believe they would be destroying Microsoft.

Exclusives vs no exclusives. Simple math.

Don't worry about Sony, don't worry about Nintendo,

this conversation is specifically on what's going on with Microsoft's first party I'm not sure why bringing up other companies is going to address what's currently happening at Microsoft game studios

@moldy-. "people on this site will downplay the power advantage"

so after all that was stated why do you keep bringing up other people? For the love of God grow up and stop worrying about what other people think I don't understand? Did you seriously assume everyone was supposed to agree with you? You're going to have fans on all sides that have opinions that will vary what on Earth does it matter to you? What are you looking to achieve? Exactly what is your point?

Please stop worrying about other people's post for the last time it is the stupidest most immature thing I've read in a long time and you always have the weakest most childish users on here spend all their time getting emotional about what other people think.

You cannot change how other people think you can only control yourself, it is a non-issue and absolutely irrelevant it actually hurts your own point because all you're arguing about is that somebody will think or feel a certain way so I don't understand?

are you here to change how they feel? You're on a one-man crusade to stop people from having opinions?

O_o?

You need a Kleenex?

@moldy LOL! Your salty tears are delicious. Seriously though, buy a PS4. It's a lot more fun then then trying to defend MS.

@_-EDMIX-_,

i am not saying all sony fans, in fact most are very well mannered and just enjoy what sony puts out there without the need to constantly attack their closest rival. so then you agree, this guy is on one end of the spectrum while most are in the middle.

and yes, microsoft definitely needs to invest more into their own studios, not once have i ever denied that. problem is you have people like this who bring so much baggage to the conversation where its more than just that.

scorpio is not going to fix their situation of having new ip's that have become hits and possibly new franchises. scorpio by all accounts is just a more powerful xbox one. what it will do however is bring in a powerful game system which is good for console gamers who also want the best experience in mutiplat titles. both sony and microsoft rely heavily on those titles, so at the same time we also have to remind everyone the importance of multiplat titles and how easy the hardware is and what tools are there for those publishers.

i feel the talk of exclusives has somehow overshadowed multiplat games, thats all. and we all know its being mainly driven by the loyal fans. yes of course they are also important but to put them above multiplat games is just silly.

I keep hearing how so much greater the PS4 is yet we have career trolls living in every Xbox article. Why are you wasting time in here instead of playing on your consoles? Sony backers have Microsoft to thank for their current PS4 architecture....as much as it pains them. What happened to the almighty cell processor? Where is the cell v2.0 to power Sony's consoles? Ahhh....that's right Microsoft showed them that was the wrong path....your welcome. Sony learned from their arrogance (unlike the fans) and now Microsoft will have to do the same.

@moldy- you seriously need to grow up with the sarcastic comments if you're going to make a point just make your point and move on having the snarky almost emotional post are not going to help your point for god sakes I'm telling you this as a person that actually agrees with a lot of what you're saying.

Nintendo business-wise is not in a great situation right now, they are in a situation where they've lost an absolutely massive amount of market share and if it continues I don't see them in the hardware business any longer but that is not to say Microsoft does not have their own troubles.

Microsoft always makes a very solid device, Microsoft does a great job communicating with third parties to always create their device in the respect of what developers desire to get their support , the only area that Microsoft actually has a significant problem in is their first party

they're very standoffish, they seem to be very gunshy and they have a huge issue with committing to series.

I don't think this has anything to do with leadership by there I actually believe it is the higher-ups at Microsoft for whatever purpose do not want to specifically invest a certain amount into first party.

Microsoft has actually yet to EVER fund and support any property more than Gears of War and Halo.

That is a big deal and that needs to change.

During the same time frame of Microsoft's existence Nintendo has created Pikmin , Animal Crossing Xenoblade series , Splatoon etc.

Some of what I've mentioned have gotten equal to possibly greater support than their main franchises.

Do you understand what that means? It actually means if Nintendo actually just got their Hardware act together they possibly could outsell Microsoft if they produced just a little bit more new intellectual properties and had equal Hardware.

It would be a possibility, simply hypothetically speaking

exclusives along with third-party versus and no exclusives with third-party.

Nintendo by default would actually begin to beat Microsoft quite easily

It's not to say Microsoft hasn't done many right things they've done amazing things in regards to their Hardware in communication with third parties to deliver an extremely solid platform please do not misunderstand what I'm saying.

I'm saying that if Nintendo was able to do the exact same thing simply on Hardware front I believe it is very likely they would out sell Microsoft

Microsoft needs to match how they treat Hardware with how they start treating first party because PlayStation is beating the brakes off of them.

It does not benefit you for them to have less games and less Studios.

Please not to pretend as if it's a benefit for them to have less and sell less.

Didn't he meant time aspect ? I understood it that way.

I do find it funny that you say the Xbox is ahead of Nintendo but there are no facts to back up the sales claims of the Xbox one

But then say lack of facts...

Ha

Well, " if your not first, your last." That's what Ricky Bobby says.

Atleast Nintendo give sales numbers. Even if they're bad. You have to respect that. Unlike microsoft who hide their sales like a bunch of pussys than talk about sales again after a 10k win over ps4 in the US. It doesn't get any more pathetic than that.

XBox One already secured 2nd place. The Wii U is dead and won't have anymore sales. The Switch is a 9th generation game console. It's already beating MS & Sony in the 9th generation.