This man is a university lecturer and at his university he was drawing pictures of mohammed (pbuh) as a dog

he tought many to do the same

however his drawing where later rejected from his university becuase they thought it would lead to violence

I am angry that this man is getting secret protection "which cost the swedish and US governemnt millions of dollars" but am not that angry about that part.

just that i feel he should not exist in this world becuase he is racist

Really? That's what your "religion" teaches you? Kill those who do not agree with you?
You need help.

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Ok, now it's clear you're just mess around. Your posts are reported as spam.

His form of fredom of speech is dangerous to this planet as well as islam

if he was dead it would be JUSTICE !

if islam did not do anythign about his comics it would be a form of injustice. that we muslims commited by not silencing this man.

islam teaches to defend. it does not say kill those that dont agree with u. we must interpret the quran our own way

I'm Muslim,but it's not the kind of action I would take.Not all Islams are the same. Sadly many are brainwashed. Killing someone for offending is will never bring us justice, but this kind of act is intolerable. What would he feel if I drew his mom and made fun of her?Is that freedom of speech? That is being offensive and plain stupid. Keep your stupid offensive comments to yourself. It's not like I go around the street cursing people and their religion just because I have my freedom of speech.

The right too free speech does not grant the right to be listened too.
If he made something that people found interesting, you shouldn't get in the way of that. If you would like to put forth the counter augment,then you can do that.

If you are not trying to counter, but trying to block, then that is kinda going against the right to free speech.

Nobody is forcing anybody to play this game, in the same way nobody forced anyone to look at those harmless cartoons.

I too am muslim, firstly I dont think terrorism is right, nor do I encourage it, never have never will but what I do encourage is defending Islam, just because he drew a picture of the Prophet Muhammed PBUH doesnt mean he should get away with it, he should be punished... no not by beheadin him nor killing him, sending him to jail would be my prefered punishment. Furthermore we see Muhammed PBUH not just as a Prophet but an idol someone to follow in the footsteps of.

This man has no right to be drawing pictures of the prophet Muhammed PBUH also because it is haram(illegal) to be drawing pictures of prophets or god in Islam.

On topic / Good, however they should also remove the other racially descriminating games, that are offending all religions not just Islam.

| Come on gimme more disagree's like I care, just shows how ignorant you people are to religions, people are never happy even when you try to be fair and honest.

at: mohib

What makes you think you have any right to punish non-religious people for their beliefs and opinions?

Neither have non-religious people any right to punish religious people for their beliefs and opinions.

In the west there is freedom of religion, but also from religion if you so prefer.

Lets put it into something you would understand,

If someone drew a picture of someone you loved dearly, someone you would give your life for in a heartbeat, like your son,nephew,mom etc

What if someone drew a picture of them getting shot, a penis stuck up their anus mouth whatever, would you not want them to be punished ? Yes or No ?

andron666, We know how the west is. It's not like we live in caves. As you can see,we're just like you ;). Gamers at least.

Non-religious people are free to be non-religious, but I don't think they are free to offend and make fun of someone dear to my heart.

No RATIONAL person is going to get bent out of shape over a picture, song or videogame.

Religion is politics.

If religious people can decide what non-religious people can think and say, then they are essentially "right" and others wrong.

The muhammed drawings were not hate related. Being offended is no reason to bring on death threats.

EDIT I was mainly contesting the comment from mohib-uddin7986532.

Also rules within any religion (no pictures) has no meaning or use for those outside them.

No rational, intelligent person would want someone to go to jail over a drawing or picture. Defending and being proud of your religion is one thing but ignoring the freedom of speech and expression granted by any nation to impose punishment on a person (no matter the severity) because essentially your feelings were hurt is asinine. If anything you calling for a man to be put in jail over a game or drawing is doing nothing but enforcing the stereotype of Muslims as barbaric savages who will kill or dismember you for the slightest infraction.

so your trying to say drawing bad things about religions icons should be allowed..?

Imagine if it was Jesus they would never have let it been published, and that guy would have gone jail for even trying to have it published.

What are you talking about? People make fun of Christianity ALL THE TIME, much much much MUCH more so then any other religion. I mean come on, what about raptor jesus? No one gives a s*** anymore, if it was back in the middle ages you would have been burnt at the stake, but now Christianity has mellowed out.

>TradingWarStories
"so your trying to say drawing bad things about religions icons should be allowed..?"

It's disrespectful but by no means do i advocate prison or punishment for a person choosing to do so. They have the right to criticize and make fun of a religion and you have the right to ignore it or voice your distaste for their work. Denying human rights by limiting freedom of expression is something that belongs in more barbaric times and has no place in the modern world.

>TradingWarStories
" Imagine if it was Jesus they would never have let it been published, and that guy would have gone jail for even trying to have it published. "

As a non-religious person it would have no bearing on me. A simple google search however will yield just as many sites poking fun at Christianity and Judaism. None of those people have been sent to jail. That's because they have the right to express themselves however they choose, regardless if another person or group disagrees with them.

Now you tell me this. If some religion was instituted worldwide that made anything pertaining to Islam punishable by death how would you feel? Would you argue for freedom to practice your religion as you saw fit or would you willing go to jail and be executed?

What a cowardly, cringing move. What message does this send out, that we should do what people who would like to kill us or force us to submit to their braindead religion want us to?

Yes, I said braindead of Islam. In fact I'm not even going to say Islam anymore, I'm just going to say braindeath. Islam=braindeath

I think the guy should release it on his own site and use his own bandwidth.

I am so sick of f-cking muslims thinking just because they were offended by someone it gives them the right to kill/silence/remove anyone and anything they want.

Remember the Life of Brian film?

This goes for all religion, christian or muslim. You just have to turn the other cheek and endure the "insults".

Just as we have to "endure" your religious beliefs...

Firstly, if I'm not getting my wires crossed with something else...were these the drawing of Mohammad with the turban the shape of a bomb?
That was a dutch guy, a dutch newspaper and the dutch government.
So here you are making the same generalizations this guy made by saying anyone in that area of the world. Its like crossing your cultures between Iran and Iraq, both share a history but they are completely different countries.
Its people like you who don't bother to learn anything about people and other cultures that puts us in this situation in the first place.
You are no better than the person who created these pictures, the only difference here is there no fundamentalist group paying to get your blood.

Secondly, the whole idea of free speech is that its free...you can't pick and choose what people are going to say. Because no matter what you say there will always be someone who disagrees with you.
And like it or not, when member of your community (be it Muslim, Jewish, christian or whatever) make acts of violence, then your going to draw the worlds attention to you. And people are going to say what they think.

allah akbar. the streets will run red with all of these infidel's blood. we muslims are very peaceful and welcoming...as long that you are muslim. if not, we will kill you.

Download the game and its actually not that bad lol..Its something out of the early '90s but it is still entertaining

Thats just horrible

Yes, you are absolutely right. I could not have said it better myself.

@5. I hope you don't truly think like that, and if you do, I feel sorry for you. I think the most foolish thing any person can do is judge another person on things that they do not understand. I have met many awesome people and many terrible people from every race, nationality and religion.. and for me to assume that that great person or that bad person defines all the rest of similar background would (should) label me as a complete fool.

I really hope more people realize things as you two do, Jenzo and Rock Bottom. Ignorance is a very ugly thing.

Bubbles btw ~

@ Rock Bottom

Tell me, what are Christian fundamentalists doing in the here and now that compares to what Muslim extremists have done in recent (that's RECENT) history?

Oh and, Godwin's law, you lose.

I doubt you'd condemn Muslim terrorists with as much enthusiasm as you try to turn the discussion around onto the sins of so-called Christians. Is there some reason why you want to remain blind to the CURRENT sins of Muslims?

Oh and, what would YOU say to a muslim terrorist to convince them that their interpretation of Islam was wrong? What would YOU say to THEM?

@ shine1396

Is that what you'd say to a Muslim holding up a sign about how they want to annihilate Europeans in the name of their religion?

You see we're far more at risk of muslim believers being incited by the sort of stuff they're preached by 'extremists' who strangely have no problems finding a mosque at which to preach to an audience, than muslims are of people being 'incited' to violence by this game. The ratio's like 1:1,000,000,000 in their 'favour'.

Or, if you disagree, you could tell me how many people you think will be killed or attacked because of this game 'inciting' people. Then if you were honest, you could compare it to the number of people who have been killed or attacked because of Islamic extremist propaganda inciting people.

@ Ozzyb

I also want to know what you'd say to a muslim terrorist to convince him his interpretation of Islam is wrong and yours, presumably, is correct. If you don't answer because you don't WANT to, that'll show who's the ignorant one out of the two of us.

People who don't want to think - and your fawning response marks you out as someone who doesn't - don't get to accuse people who do want to think of being ignorant.

1. You obviously don't read.
2. If you do, not very well.
3. Read 2 and 3 again.
4. You failed to make the distinction between an extremist and an everyday person who happens to be a practitioner of Islam.

Do you see anyone defending extremists here? Look again. If you do, you have your idiot-goggles on.. Don't touch the keyboard again until you take them off. I am not religious so I could give two sh#ts about the "sins" of Christians or Muslims. As an ADULT (<<< I got you there didn't I?) I can distinguish right from wrong as I'm sure those two guys can as well. Nobody was defending the "sins" of any religious people, only trying to make you look at said peoples without so obviously dripping with that disgusting bias. You seem to be SO caught up on what religion people follow that you look far past what kind of people they actually are. If you take into account what faith someone follows in arriving at your (pre)dispositions about them, then you are a complete idiot.

Edit: To answer your question: I would not try to convince a Muslim terrorist of anything because they have already proven that they are far more ignorant than anyone could probably make them realize. They are blinded by their false ideals and proven that they are not to be reasoned with (to say the least). This brings me back to my point! >>>>NOBODY IS DEFENDING TERRORISTS<<<< They can go to Hell (if you believe in Hell) and rot because hurting innocent people is something that should not require religion to realize is wrong.

What's that? You can't, or won't, argue with a muslim terrorist to persuade him that his murderous interpretation of Islam is wrong? What, do you doubt your ability to tell him that you know Islam better than he does? You'd rather make lame insults at me because you think it'd be more worthwhile?

EDIT so you did answer. Too bad your answer fails on a human level. So you wouldn't say s*** to a muslim terrorist, thus accepting his interpretation of Islam as being just as valid as another other interpretation. How very proud you must be of yourself.

Oh and, where did I accuse people of defending terrorists? I expect people to be honest enough to CONFRONT terrorists rhetorically and argue with their interpretation of Islam. How embarrasssing for you that you go off on one accusing ME of not being able to read, and yet demonstrate that you didn't read any of MY posts correctly. I.e. reading something in my posts that WASN'T THERE.

I have no idea what the hell you're talking about. You are the only one here claiming that terrorists can be reasoned with, I don't believe anyone else said anything of the sort. If you want to take some time to respond with a coherent statement, be my guest. Also, we are no longer discussing the article at hand, so kindly take it to the Open Zone and upon reading it (if it makes any sense) I will respond.

PS. Try reading what I said this time.

Edit: I think you are trying to catch me in some sort of terribly lame logic trap that you seemed to have been snagged by yourself. You are pretty much having an argument with yourself, seeing as how you are not responding to anything that I said.

I think either you've missed what I'm trying to say or chose to ignore it to spout your own rehetoric...fair enough...

I've heard of an idea as well. Fud.

The market of ideas is a better ideal I think...

I don't think your promoting good will. Your openly projecting your fears and concerns. but that's not the problem..
I can't take you seriously because of this overlapping sense that somehow it's us versus them.
With all due respect what you are saying, but in a more 'acceptable' fashion, is this:
Hippler (1999):
'Islamic fundamentalism has become the principal threat to the survival of regimes throughout the Arab world.'

Hippler (1999) emboldened the claim by using Samuel Huntington of Harvard University who ‘postulated an 'Islamic-Confucian connection' threatening the West, its power and its identity; citing those who linked regional conflict-potential fundamentally with the religion Islam. He used Wimmer's (1998) example to highlight this:
Between Algeria, the Balkans, the Chinese province of Singhiang and Indian Kashmir there currently is no trouble spot in which the conflict potential of the Muslim World is not fanning the flames of conflict and war.” Wimmer (1998) in Hippler (1999).

And in answer is this:

Edward W. Said’s rebuttal, in his book Covering Islam (1981), to such arguments are that ‘turbulence’ in the Muslim world ‘have more to do with social, economic, and historical factors then they do unilaterally with Islam’. The aims of the book are to discuss the modern relationship between the world of Islam, the Arabs and the orient on the one hand and on the other the west, France, Britain and in particular the USA. 'In covering Islam’ the subject,
‘is immediately contemporary; western and specifically American responses to an Islamic world perceived since the early seventies as being immensely relevant and yet antipathetically troubled and problematic.’
Said goes on to accredit his claims with what he says is the 'west’s' version of Islam. That Islam is viewed as a single unified entity rather then the reality of the situation where Islam is a religion which has a wide variety of cultures, societies, languages, as has been my argument:
“In no real way is there a direct correspondence between the ‘Islam’ in common western usage and the enormously varied life that goes on within the world of Islam, with its more then 800,000,000 people, its millions of square miles of territory principally in Africa and Asia, its dozens of societies, states, histories, geographies, cultures”
(Said, 1981)

Edit: notice 1981: this argument is clearly not a new one.

Again, accusing me of your own faults, not being able to read, and being so honest about it too. ('I don't know what you're saying, but YOU can't read' is the gist of your posts.)

I didn't say terrorists could be reasoned with, so much as I said that if you believe this game should be banned because it MIGHT incite people who play it to attack Muslims, you should have the intellectual honesty to confront muslim extremists whose propaganda DOES incite terrorists to attack and kill people in greater numbers.

If you think that terrorists have an 'incorrect' understanding of Islam, then logically their understanding of Islam can be corrected to whatever the 'proper' interpretation of Islam would be (which neither you nor anyone else elaborates on, why I wonder). People should be devoting far more effort into tackling muslim extremists than into banning this game.

@ Shine1396

"That Islam is viewed as a single unified entity rather then the reality of the situation where Islam is a religion which has a wide variety of cultures, societies, languages2

So does that mean that people in the West (i.e. not muslims) who say terroristic extremism and 'kill the West and the Jews', is NOT a valid interpretation of Islam, have no business making such claims?

you finally revealed yourself. Took long enough. You are so unmistakably a bigot. You don't even deserve a response and if you really need one, go re-read what I already said. You are so Hell-bent on there being some big, evil religion that you let it seep into what you're saying. Please, don't even try to deny it, just accept it and move on. You keep asking questions that you (being on the internet and all) can find for yourself. If you want to be intolerant, you can do it by your damn self.

Use your last post wisely, it will be your only chance to salvage some respect.

hmm...how to deal with a person who wants to be right rather then righteous... by answering him of course...
your question:

In answer. The implication of your statement implys that by virtue I am correct. your statement:

'So does that mean that people in the West (i.e. not muslims) who say terroristic extremism and 'kill the West and the Jews', is NOT a valid interpretation of Islam, have no business making such claims?'

The above statement is no longer a holistic approach. am I to be thanked....

men there's just stupidity everywhere, be it a small group of fanatic muslims, a small group of christians or wahtever. there's always some rotten apples in the basket

Thank god someone has common sense.