Will the PlayStation 3 only lost a significant amount of market share because I don't genuinely believe the numbers of PlayStation 2 sold was realistic for the market

I believe that market share has been permanently lost to Microsoft and Nintendo and that Sony's true install base is probably in the ballpark of 100 million or so.

That being said if Sony actually continues to maintain the practice of having their main teams release new properties I believe very strongly that the PlayStation 5 is going to perform similar to what you're seeing with the PlayStation 4.

At this point you have to understand that Sony is actually the only company right now that's only competing with themselves in fact any points to be made about Sony in the past always seem to be in comparison with themselves....

Nintendo needs to change and they need to invest in order to compete the same with Microsoft Sony actually doesn't really need to do anything other than what they've been doing you're technically the only company that's even past that 90 million Mark several times now in the PlayStation 4 looks like it's going to be the 4th console that they've done that with.

I have no clue what you're talking about in regards to Pro consumers because if you own a PlayStation 4 Pro you actually still own a PlayStation 4, the PlayStation Pro was not an individual platform with its own market so like other posters have stated we all don't really know what on Earth you're talking about.

Sony and Microsoft that actually both stated the purpose behind the pro in the Scorpio they both made it clear that both devices are made as upgrades to their current devices and nothing more

both companies actually both stated they're not making exclusives for those upgrades so I'm not sure how you got that that's what they want despite them saying something completely different Sony has even come out and stated that they indeed will release a PlayStation 5 so again unless you have a link to prove otherwise no one really knows what you're talking about it literally sounds like you've made up your own news lol

PS1 > PS2 now say something @gamer1138

Sony has dominated since they started. They only lost last gen because Nintendo got lucky with their gimmicky crap. PS3 still had the best games.

@naruga

"PS4 pro is here to stay and prolong PS4 life...PS4 library is just starts blooming and multiply"

Totally agreed.

"none... except some MS stuck fans ask for generation leap"

How exactly MS fans are asking for generation leap again? Scorpio isn´t even out yet and i haven´t seen any Xbox fans asking for a new system.

That's three years of playing games though. I've always bought the latest and greatest. To be honest if Microsoft had not announced the Scorpio then I would have got the pro when it launched. I'm gonna buy a used ps4.

@ItMatters Great idea, plenty of people are selling their PS4s when they buy the Pro just like I did. Don't forget to pick up PS Plus too and about 5 stellar exclusive games released for the console so far this year.

There won't be another "generation", Sony killed that with the PS4 Pro. Each generation change is incredibly destructive to the amount of work they put into establishing consoles into homes, it's an effective reset button for everyone in the industry. They've taken a page out of Apples book with iPhone and how the games are compatible across a wide range of ageing devices but later devices will perform better or have better graphics. I think this is a good move as it means your console you buy will last longer and if you want improved graphics/performance, go get a pro or a pro 2 when that eventually comes out. Once internet gets good enough we'll probably be playing something similar to playstation now, you won't own the console, just pay a monthly subscription like Netflix and play what ever game you want probably. It's something that's already here and will slowly take over without us even realising.

But ps one dominated and ps2 dominated even more. You could say that Sony learned their lesson with ps3 and shouldn't make the same mistake.

But going by your same argument, Sony has more chance to release ps5 in two years despite alienating pro owners, than MS or Nintendo that have NEW consoles this year.

OtakuDJK1NG-Rory: The media? I guess you mean medium?

A new platform is not a new generation, do you know how many console manufacturers there were in the early days of video games, and how many consoles were released? If every new console back in those days would translate to a new generation, we would be on a 3 digit generation now, not the 8'th generation. As times goes by, we will reach a point of diminishing returns were there will simply be platforms, not generations. Generations is a combination of hardware advancing in complexity and the time it takes to reach those milestones.

So by your logic so is the Scorpio right? 360 came out 4 years after OGXbox. This is technically the same time frame isn't it? Just saying. People want the use the BC as an excuse as to why it's just a mid gen upgrade.

All systems should be BC from now on as long as they stick with AMD and x86 architecture. It's much easier. Sony won't let the competition (well not really a competition anymore going by Phil's words) brag about BC anymore. You can definitely check BC off the list from now on.

I believe switch is a 1st Gen hybrid. For me it doesn't really fall into the traditional console space, neither does it fall into the handheld space.

"this is a portable device," It is but that's not just what the Switch is.

"therefore they have already officially left the dedicated set-top box console Market."

It's irrelevant how they do it. What matters is the end result and the end result in terms of functionality isn't different than any other home console that ever existed. Connect the thing to your TV and play your games.

"if Nintendo called this thing a taco or hamburger" I don't care what they call it. All I need to know is the business model they have in place for it and how they positioned their device in the market and they were very clear about it. Switch is NOT the 3ds successor, it's the Wii U successor and that makes the Switch their 9th gen console. I have no idea what makes you think that you can say in what market the switch is in when you're just a consumer.

"their positioning it but that's actually irrelevant"

Irrelevant? That shows us if the switch is fighting for market share in the home console market or the handheld market.

"Sorry but you like many other people have failed to actually explain how it is not a portable device."

I didn't even try because it IS a portable device however it IS also a home console and since nintendo is focusing on the home console aspect of it, the Switch is the Wii U successor.

Also I didn't even read your washing machine analogy to the end because washing machines aren't meant to play games. Handhelds and home consoles are meant to play games.

A much better analogy is a hybrid car with petrol engine and electric engines such as the Porshe 918 and a car with just petrol engine such as the Huayra. On the 918 If you want you can drive just using electrical power or with its combustion engine just like the Huayra. The 918 does things that the Huayra can't do however that doesn't change the fact that the 918 just like the Huyara is fighting for market share in the hypercar market and both are considered hypercars.

The Switch might do things that you can't do with the PS4 and X1 such as being portable but that doesn't change the fact that is going to compete with both those consoles for market share and since it's the Wii U successor, The Switch is going to be Nintendo's 9th gen console.

Im going with 1st gen hybrid just to mix it up. I don't think its 9th gen though. It doesn't fall into the traditional console space for me.

Also...."a washing machine that plays tetris". This kind of amused me. Its possibly the most random example i have ever seen used. I would bubble up if it were still possible, just for this example.

@ima- "this is a portable device," It is but"

No but..

That's it.

All handhelds portable devices regardless will have their own nuances it does not suddenly make them NOT portable devices.

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"being portable but that doesn't change the fact that is going to compete with both those consoles for market share"

How can it take market share in a market it's technically not part of because the hardware is too inferior?

The market of PlayStation 4 Xbox One and PC in regards to the games that support those platforms likely will not support the switch unless they were games made that were not demanding so any games that were made specifically to take advantage of PlayStation 4 and Xbox One will not be supported on the switch that means they're not in the same Market that technically isn't any different than the PSP or 3DS.

Sorry but based on the rumor of FIFA being a PlayStation 3 port and Skyrim not even being confirmed to be the remaster it is actually very clear they don't share the same markets.

So how could you compete in the market in which your system isn't even to the specs of the current systems? Is Mass Effect coming to this platform? Is Red Dead Redemption 2 coming to this platform? So how could you have an argument that they're in the same Market when they don't share the same games?

So you mean I am setsuna? Dragon Quest Heroes? The same games that are on the PlayStation Vita? 🙃😂😂
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@sd- lol you know I was going to use some wild example.

If we want to call it a hybrid I'm completely fine with that because it essentially is in regards to being a portable that could have the comfort of playing off a television.

It's not completely dedicated to Simply running on the television.

We can add hybrid to the concept of the PSP 2000 3000 and go considering they could also run off the television

I don't really get the idea of people trying to pretend that this is not a portable despite the entire concept actually being that in the first place as to the namesake of the device being called "switch".

From what I've seen from the unboxing it is not impossible to Simply take the hand held out and throw the dock in the garbage and continue to use it as if nothing was wrong.

From what I'm seeing playing this on the television is an option, but the device itself has to be portable first before could ever be anything else.

_-EDMIX-_ You are the only one saying it, and you have clearly had an anti Switch agenda from the start. Seems you want it to be called a 'handheld' for a reason. Just in case Switch turns out to be hot you don't want the sales to be compared to you know what. So you can cry foul when convenient.

@jason- I'm not the only one that's calling this what it is in regards to being a handheld I'm sorry but can you explain how this is not a portable handheld device? Why is it called the switch for? What is it switching to? Why does it have battery life? I'm sorry but you cannot ignore the portability of this device is literally the stupidest thing I've ever heard up if it is not a portable handheld can you please tell me what it actually is?

Me calling at handheld is simply defining the device in regards to it portable attributes.

Btw I'm buying the Switch.

not only did I predict that their next platform was primarily going to actually be portable I was the one that was saying I actually hope that was what it was I even predicted this before Nintendo or even the leaks came out regarding this device , all you have to do is go back and look up my comments.

I'm still waiting for you guys to explain to me how this is not a portable device.

I see lots of disagrees and I see lots of salt and butt hurt when I don't see if a logical explanation to tell me how this is not portable and should not be referred to as a handheld.

I mean the obvious fact that you guys can't even answer that question is even more hilarious and tells me that lots of you guys want to be in denial about what this actually is which is actually quite strange.

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But, I'm the only one?

Is that why no one on here could answer me on why it's not a portable?

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The fact that no one answers that question only tells me how obvious it is to even you that this device is a portable and clearly is going to be referred as a handheld.

Yes but and a very big but.

Saying that the Switch is just an handheld is the same exact thing as saying that at the Porsche 918 is just an electrical car and that couldn't be further from the truth.

"How can it take market share in a market it's technically not part of because the hardware is too inferior?"

I ask: what does power have to do with it? Wasn't the PS2 technically vastly inferior when compared to the GC and the original Xbox? Wii? Wii U? SNES and Megadrive compared to neo geo?

Multiplatform games? Wii wasn't famous for its 3rd party support. Wii U, Dreamcast... All these consoles were fighting for market share weren't they?

"Mass Effect coming to this platform? Is Red Dead Redemption 2 coming to this platform? So how could you have an argument that they're in the same Market when they don't share the same games?"

Because it will have console quality games with AAA budgets such as Breath of the Wild that are just as much as system sellers has any of those games.

BTW, I don't know if RDR 2 is going to be released on PC but I'm fairly sure that ME will. Does that make the PC a console? Nier is going to be released on the PC and PS4 but not on the X1 and the Switch. Does that mean that the PS4 is part of the PC market or is it the PC that is part of the console market? If its the later does that mean the X1 (won't ask about the switch because I know your stance) isn't part of it? Man can't wait for you to tell me if the PC is part of the console market... despite its business model being COMPLETELY different than the ones you find consoles.