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Japan's Protagonist Problem

Gameinformer: "Whenever we sit down and play a story focused video game, it's often the intention of the developer to create a playable protagonist that, to an extent, the player can relate to. After all, if we're going to be controlling this character for at least a dozen hours of our lives, we should feel some sort of connection to them. And for the most part, developers do succeed at this; even if most of us cannot attest to being cowboys, post-apocalyptic survivors, or treasure hunters, characters like John Marston, Lee Everett and Nathan Drake have earned their way into the hearts' of gamers the world over for being easily understood characters that also have a level of depth that allow the player to find things they can relate to about them.

However, in recent years, I feel that that Japanese video games have struggled in this endeavor. "

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Pantz3342d ago

I'm a sexy boy just like Vaan so I can relate to him. It's sad how much hate I get just because I'm so hot.

Nu3341d ago (Edited 3341d ago )

I assume you were born in a town similar to Delmaska?
Is that you ? https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Omnislashver363341d ago

What is this cancer? FFXV had relatable characters, that was the least of it's issues.

Kreisen3341d ago

FFXV really doesnt have much in common with most jrpgs though.

dillydadally3341d ago

I'm guessing you didn't read the whole article...

Kreisen3341d ago (Edited 3341d ago )

I like JRPGs but i have always struggled with the main characters in these games becouse of how childish/stupid/irrelevant they usually are. JRPGs often have worlds filled amazing characters that all dress really nice, have amazing magical abilities and strong background stories. Meanwhile there you are as the main protagonist, a silly child that gets to swing a stick, complain and be ignorant to everything that goes on around him.
One of the best things about western games in general is they actually put you in the shoes of somebody that matters.

Princess_Pilfer3341d ago (Edited 3341d ago )

maybe try playing an actually good JRPG? Skies of Arcadia? The Persona series? The wider SMT series? The Chrono games. Lost Oddsey. Disgiea. Trails in the sky. Seriously, take 20 seconds to look beyond the samey surface level stuff and there is no shortage of good games. The genre doesn't begin and end at a dozen mediocre Tales and SAO games. Kinda like every other genre really, for every 1 Sants Row 3 or The Witcher 3 there are like 20 open world ubisoft/WB games that are all effectively clones of each-other.

(sorry fanboys/fangirls, most of the tales games are impressively mediocre, on good days. Why games like Symphonia got so popular when they're a bad 1987 anime in video game form is beyond me)

nitus103341d ago (Edited 3341d ago )

Well, Tales of Xilla is the only Tales game I have ever played and while I did like the game to a certain extent I found the combat to be rather a case of button mashing. In fact, this game deserves the top honor of being the only RPG I have ever played that gave me RSI in that I could not play any game for over two weeks and I have not played the game since.

Still, I have the Souls series, Bloodborne and The Witcher 3 to fall back on.

BTW. I did try the demo of Tales of Berseria and the combat system seems similar to Tales of Xilla. Why put a "restricting ring" around the combat area when all open (not necessarily open world) combat RPG's don't do that? I personally find that annoying.

GameBoyColor3341d ago

vesperia and abyss are standouts.

Adrian_v013341d ago

Persona games are imo more mature than most WRPGs.

Princess_Pilfer3341d ago (Edited 3341d ago )

The SMT series as a whole is more mature than most games, full stop. This is Including the games in the series with a lighter overall tone. Mostly because they aren't trying to be mature just to be mature and get attention, they're actually interested in exploring themes and have something meaningful to say. Mass Effect, for example, rarily has anything to actually say (though it has it's moments.) Persona 3 is quite clear from early on, and it hammers on these points at every opportunity, even stating some of them outright at the beginning of the game disguised as tutorial information. (Dealing with grief is important, helping other people deal with grief (and other emotional problems) is best for everybody, you're gonna die so make good use of what time you have) and it does unsubtle things like turn your helping other people with their personal problems translate directly into large boosts in combat effectiveness to drive that point home. Not a subtle series in general, but with how little people tend to pay attention I don't think it can be, I'm certainly not used to looking for themes and messages in video games, not unless I'm told I should be before I start playing.

I mean, Persona 4 Golden went to far as to explain the psychologial inspiration for shadows so that things in the game proper (like the shadows being excited and emboldened by the sort of attention the midnight channel gave them, and the sort of emotional impulses that would drive someone to do watch the channel and give it to them) would make sense to people not already fimiliar with the term.

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Adrian_v013341d ago (Edited 3341d ago )

It's a clash of cultures. Japanese people enjoy the stories of normal people who don't matter growing a pair and standing up against the world. And I promise you you will see far more of those.

I find it ignorant that the writer demands Japanese developers to drop their traditional values just to cater to the west, yet when Japanese developers do it the same people complain about westernization of JRPGs. The writer also chose FFXII as the worst example. Yeah Vaan was a cliche youngster growing up, however the game did well not making an obvious main character. Depending on whom you like, Bash, Ashe or Balthier could've been the main protagonist in the player's eyes, Vaan was just a way to get the story rolling, to me he was on the same level as a narrator.

Kreisen3341d ago

Your views on Japan seem like they were taken straight out of anime. I bet you also think Japan is the best country in the world and all the women are virgins who turn bright red whenever a man talks to them.

Princess_Pilfer3341d ago

If you want to argue that Vahn is the player perspective character, he's a very poor version of one. Good narrator characters have something significant to add to the story, for example we're getting the interpretation of events from a character who's views conflict with the main characters views and that influences how they tell the story, so we effectively get 2 versions of the same series of events (what we see happening and what the narrator sees happening,) or we get distance to see things from the perspective of someone less personally invested, or we get a main character telling their version of events which may or may not be how things actually happened. Vaan does none of these. He's a stupid stock cliche tag along with nothing interesting to say, do or contribute. He's an active detriment to the game, distracting from the actually important characters and events, and it's not even like his is an interesting side story that runs in parallel or crosses back and forth across the path of the political story because that might have been interesting, he's just a tag along.

You *can* have the young and inexperienced protagonist (Yuna, Garnet, 2/3rds of SMT protagonists, arguably Shion, Chrono, Shulk, Neku) without it being unaltered cliches that don't add anything to the story. The author (and you) have made precisely the same mistake and used it to arrive at opposite conclusions, and they're both equally wrong.

I can extend it to anime if you want, because the "young and inesperienced" archtype shows up everywhere in anime too. Reanton Thurston is an example of exactly the same type of character done right. He's young, ignorant, and wrapped up in political struggles way above his own head. He also has an actual reason to be there, a lot of input on how the plot develops, and genuine personal struggles throughout the story that have consequences to the plot, despite not being the main character of the show from the political side of the story (just like Vaan.) Vaan *could* have had a place if the story was structured differently and the politics were more of a background thing driving the personal stuff the game was actually concerned with (like Eureka 7.) Vaan *could* have had a place if he had a unique perspective and the story was focused around his unique perspective (ie the commoner caught up in a big political struggle) or he had his own story which intersected and diverged with the overarching political story at several places and they impacted each-other, wether the game followed him or the political story. As it is, he has no place, and his presnece is a detriment to the game. (as is the 2nd half of the games story where it switches from serious political story to not-kefka trying to destroy the world with magic because reasons. )

Activemessiah3341d ago

Maybe you lack empathy... which is ok... You nutter!

rhap3341d ago

Seems like the author didn't try Ni No Kuni to play as Oliver, a genuine little kid that could be any of us, or maybe he didn't try Eternal Sonata to be Chopin in his final days struggling with inner issues any dying adult could have. I guess he didn't play Nier as well to play as Nier trying to save his daughter. I wonder if he knows who's Kazuma Kiryu as well or maybe, just MAYBE, he tried the newly released Nioh to play as William?

My point is: if you want to talk about something, you need to understand about it. To randomly say crap when you play the 1% mainstream japanese games around and ignore the other 99% is pretty stupid. To be honest, it's very retarded, but coming from those "gaming journalists" around, it's just normal.

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Six Times When Games Turned Into A Horror Game

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P_Bomb344d ago

Immediately thought of the El Dorado zombie dudes in Uncharted: Drake’s Fortune.

raWfodog343d ago (Edited 343d ago )

Not necessarily a ‘horror’ moment, but I remember feeling really tense and anxious when the Flood were first introduced in the original Halo. I never felt more on edge or nervous in that whole game as that moment. I think it was the whole buildup that something terrible was coming but you didn’t know exactly what.

Another non-horror game that had me feeling it was Subnautica. The deep dark depths, and knowing that sea monsters were lurking nearby, had me jumping at every sound.

NettosGameRoom343d ago

That scene where you first see them attack is pretty crazy!

Relientk77343d ago

I remember being scared of the Asylum level in the most recent Thief game from 2014.

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Final Fantasy XV Datamine Reveals Hidden Chapter 14 Scene That Was Cut

A new datamine of game files from Final Fantasy XV has revealed a cut scene from Chapter 14 that didn't make it into the final release.

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gold_drake478d ago

always liked 15, but the development was shch a shitshow. it could have been so much more.

but Tabata did a good job with what he had regardless

DivineHand125478d ago

Ff15 was a missed opportunity from square as they transitioned from turn based to real time.

One of the issues is that it was 30 fps. The combat mechanics required precision dodges to activate Noctis teleport ability and it was difficult to do at 30 fps. I am glad they rectified that in FF16. The story and flow also felt like it went through a chopshop similar to how some live service games end up when they are trying to meet a deadline. Those extra episodes they sold as dlc should have been in the maingame.

FF15 is one of the weaker entries in the series.

Z501477d ago

Dodges don't activate the teleport ability. Teleport was R1 + O. Dodge was just the O button. Explain the Black Hood (the item that automatically Dodges for you)

TheNamelessOne478d ago

Ah yes; FF XV.
The beginning of me coming to the realization the series was no longer for me.

Michiel1989477d ago

16 was a lot better, I think 15 was just a big mess with how development went and all. The music though, one of the best in the series, probably the only reason I finished the game.

Cacabunga477d ago

At least FF15 had RPG elements . 16 was just an action game from beginning to end.

Michiel1989477d ago

I rather have a good action game than a bad rpg with 2 button combat

Cacabunga477d ago (Edited 477d ago )

Then call it something else then FF. I got scammed with FF16. Nothing of what i expected it to be.
Even the action is bad in it, especially after the demo section where absolutely nothing happens until the very end.

FF15 isnt a great game but it has some variety at least.

CrimsonWing69478d ago

That initial trailer with the Leviathan fight was the game I wish we got. The actual retail release was watchdogged to all Hell and while there’s enjoyment to be had in the game, it’s such an incomplete product and so many elements feel so slapped together without any cohesion.

Like, don’t get me wrong, I loved fishing, cooking, and the first third of the game, but I much rather they made a story that didn’t feel barely there and the the last third of the game didn’t feel so rushed and unfinished.

Becuzisaid477d ago

Every time a party member left for a period of time screamed future paid dlc. It was horrible.

Imagine Dagger and Steiner making the party go to sleep in Lindblum in FF9 disc 1 and then taking off to Alexandria by foot themselves, but then never playing their side of the adventure in disc 2 when they smuggle her through the South Gate in pickles, take the cable car and fight the Waltz, head to Treno and start the quest to find Supersoft. They just eventually reunite with the main party in the future without explanation of what went on in their adventure.

Or Sephiroth's backstory in the famous Kalm flashback being added as a dlc pack. Same goes for Vincent, Cid, or Yuffie for that matter.

Oh and anything to do with Jenova, the Ancients, Aerith, her mom and Gast, shoved into a 2 hour CG movie or 5 hour anime ministries that's considered required viewing for anything in the main game to make sense or have characters actually be interesting.

I enjoyed FF15 at the time, and finished it, but it's bright spots are marred by a bad development cycle and a worse marketing scheme.

CrimsonWing69477d ago

What’s sad is when I watched a vid on the entire story (that wasn’t properly told in the actual game)!it was really solid and could’ve been one of the most epic stories in any FF. I think a lot of the compilation and cross-media stuff really f*cked it all up.

gurp477d ago

FFXV was underrated in my opinion
I have played all of the final fantasy games, and I loved this game
turn based to me takes too long, I like active battle
the extra dlc and chapters should have been included in the original release, but it is nice that they fixed the game later

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gold_drake730d ago

crazy, glad i own the ones i wanted to revisit and play

ChasterMies730d ago

Absolver Downfall
Abzu
Adrift
Ashen
Elex
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy VIII Remastered
Final Fantasy IX
Final Fantasy X | X-2
Final Fantasy XII The Zodiac Age
Final Fantasy XV Royal Edition
How To Survive 2
I Am Dead
Jotun
Last Stop
Minit
Moster Jam Steel Titans 2
My Friend Pedro
Observation
Sundered Eldritch Edition
The Artful Escape
The Messenger
This Is The Police
This Is The Police 2
World of Final Fantasy

Asterphoenix729d ago

Glad that I absolutely can't stand subscription services.

Petebloodyonion729d ago (Edited 729d ago )

I don't recall Sony forcing you to subscribe like nobody forced you to go to Blockbuster to rent games instead of buying them.

SonyStyled729d ago

Pay-per-view was almost cheaper than the cost of gas and rental fee from Blockbuster. Blockbuster doesn’t exist today. Are you being sarcastic?